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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby ManBungalow on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:29 am

I feel that the quality of those big escalating speed games has decreased in the last two years or so. Or at least I don't enjoy them as much now.

From 'my day' (get off my lawn!), speed has been a crucial part of the games, but somehow there was more strategy to it than a simple pissing contest, which it seems to be now. I used to lose an 8-player classic speed escalating game feeling that I'd been out-played or out-smarted, but now I feel like somebody quicker than me has won. Unless, of course, it's me winning. This actually also applies to freestyle 1vs1.

And I'm sure that jumping into your first ever freestyle speed game to be beaten by somebody moving at 90% of the speed of light could scare you off. I can imagine what it's like to lose all of your regions and have no idea what's happened. It follows from this that the current freestyle speed players are part of the same dying group, because nearly everybody else is intimidated off/foed. Is there a solution to this? I don't really think so.
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby betiko on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:47 am

here's the thing, I know lots of you denied that but it has been proven by some players. CC Servers are in the US/canada; and it's pretty impossible for none north americans to play freestyle speeders vs north americas. even though you hold the B button or whatever, by the time your turn starts the north american has already done a move, because of the better ping. I guess we lose at least half a second and this changes everything. you basically have to rely on BS dice.

About the fact that it has been proven: NOS who is canadian and a really fast speed FS player who is now in an exchange program told me he had to give up because from europe the ping to the cc server had nothing to do with the one he had back home.

Other than this, I disagree, i love casual FS.
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:01 am

I don't like fs speed for the same reason I don't like real-time games of any kind: I want time to think. Maybe that's just because I'm getting old, or maybe not. I recall that even when I was much younger I hated speed chess, for example. So I doubt if you would ever make a fs speed demon out of me.

However, there are young people on this site who probably would get good at it, if they were given some friendship and mentoring. Greenoaks said it best:
greenoaks wrote:you only have yourselves to blame.

the pool of players is already small and then you foe those that wander in.

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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby Mr Changsha on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:09 am

Dukasaur wrote:I don't like fs speed for the same reason I don't like real-time games of any kind: I want time to think. Maybe that's just because I'm getting old, or maybe not. I recall that even when I was much younger I hated speed chess, for example. So I doubt if you would ever make a fs speed demon out of me.

However, there are young people on this site who probably would get good at it, if they were given some friendship and mentoring. Greenoaks said it best:
greenoaks wrote:you only have yourselves to blame.

the pool of players is already small and then you foe those that wander in.

=D> =D> =D>

Spend some time helping those who might be interested and it will pay off in the long run.


Is speed freestyle a young man's game?
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby anonymus on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:12 am

well i think OP puts it in sort of a greyish light when he says that speed is not the most important part..
I play some fs speeders but ONLY on conquest-maps where i dont need to keep track of many stacks and there i am SOMETIMES quick enough, but still against experienced FS-specialists im mosty doomed..
as an example i managed to get a few wins on ST-Pat 8 man 1 min fs, but then this is a map where luck is a main factor..

on new world i win 70+% of my sequential games but FS im pretty much lost because i cannot take enough terr per turn to keep my deploy high..

on feudal i am specialized but still i only join fs-games when i am VERY bored because the speed-element is the same here as in new world (even with just 1 mainstack if you are 2nd on the auto-button when you clash you are doomed)

basically the only map im successful in FS speed is ww2 poland and its just because i know every move before i make it and against someone who can take 3 terr last 2 seconds im still lost..

and i think this is the reason why people dont play more fs.. if you are not a specialist and quick as a freaking rabbit (with a great line to the server) you WILL lose even if your strategy is good when faced with a specialist quick as a freaking rabbit with good line to the server..

so.. OP i think you are being a bit naive (or trying to reel more people in saying speed is only part of it.. or as marco pierre white would say (chef) speed can compensate for talent but talent cant compensate for speed (freely adapted to this scenario).

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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby rhp 1 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:44 am

donelladan wrote:You say there is no farming in freestyle speed.
But what are the chance of a player winning against you if he does not have clickies? I'd say none, and that's why people consider it is a kind of farming. You play against people unaware of it, so you are just gaining easy points.
You may prefer playing players with same abilities than you for the rush and the challenge it gives you of course, but we cant ignore the other part.

And I think, when a noob ( speaking about freestyle) join one of your game, he does not even understand how you can be so fast, he played a game where he recognized he had 0% chance of winning, and probably decide to not play it anymore. I think thats the major reason why people dont play freestyle speed.
If you want it to change, you shoud, I think, always give link to clickies and explained to noobs why you beat them, that way they may learn and come back to kick your ass ;)


well first.... stop hating... sencond, I've shown 100's, yes 100's the link to clickable maps and held a lot of their hands while they implemented them... why would I not? it's in my interest to get them to play fs... second... yea genius, if someone plays fs against me without clicks... well... duh.... but that's not my point... I love to get people to play fs.. more players... more fun.. faster fills on speed games...
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby rhp 1 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:49 am

anonymus wrote:well i think OP puts it in sort of a greyish light when he says that speed is not the most important part..
I play some fs speeders but ONLY on conquest-maps where i dont need to keep track of many stacks and there i am SOMETIMES quick enough, but still against experienced FS-specialists im mosty doomed..
as an example i managed to get a few wins on ST-Pat 8 man 1 min fs, but then this is a map where luck is a main factor..

on new world i win 70+% of my sequential games but FS im pretty much lost because i cannot take enough terr per turn to keep my deploy high..

on feudal i am specialized but still i only join fs-games when i am VERY bored because the speed-element is the same here as in new world (even with just 1 mainstack if you are 2nd on the auto-button when you clash you are doomed)

basically the only map im successful in FS speed is ww2 poland and its just because i know every move before i make it and against someone who can take 3 terr last 2 seconds im still lost..

and i think this is the reason why people dont play more fs.. if you are not a specialist and quick as a freaking rabbit (with a great line to the server) you WILL lose even if your strategy is good when faced with a specialist quick as a freaking rabbit with good line to the server..

so.. OP i think you are being a bit naive (or trying to reel more people in saying speed is only part of it.. or as marco pierre white would say (chef) speed can compensate for talent but talent cant compensate for speed (freely adapted to this scenario).

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fair points... but you bring up a perfect comparison... I play Malabross (sp) on New World from time to time... fs, fog adj, no spoils... I'm a not small amount faster than him... I have a lot of trouble beating him on that map settings... I know and play the map very well, maprank if you wish, but his settings, and ability to play mistake free and solid every game is more important than the speed differential... but often times you are right...
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby rhp 1 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:50 am

Mr Changsha wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:I don't like fs speed for the same reason I don't like real-time games of any kind: I want time to think. Maybe that's just because I'm getting old, or maybe not. I recall that even when I was much younger I hated speed chess, for example. So I doubt if you would ever make a fs speed demon out of me.

However, there are young people on this site who probably would get good at it, if they were given some friendship and mentoring. Greenoaks said it best:
greenoaks wrote:you only have yourselves to blame.

the pool of players is already small and then you foe those that wander in.

=D> =D> =D>

Spend some time helping those who might be interested and it will pay off in the long run.


Is speed freestyle a young man's game?


no.. I'm almost 40.. lol
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:34 pm

I prefer to make my moves before the last 5-10 seconds of a round, so I don't play speed freestyle.
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby rhp 1 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:13 pm

ManBungalow wrote:I feel that the quality of those big escalating speed games has decreased in the last two years or so. Or at least I don't enjoy them as much now.

From 'my day' (get off my lawn!), speed has been a crucial part of the games, but somehow there was more strategy to it than a simple pissing contest, which it seems to be now. I used to lose an 8-player classic speed escalating game feeling that I'd been out-played or out-smarted, but now I feel like somebody quicker than me has won. Unless, of course, it's me winning. This actually also applies to freestyle 1vs1.

And I'm sure that jumping into your first ever freestyle speed game to be beaten by somebody moving at 90% of the speed of light could scare you off. I can imagine what it's like to lose all of your regions and have no idea what's happened. It follows from this that the current freestyle speed players are part of the same dying group, because nearly everybody else is intimidated off/foed. Is there a solution to this? I don't really think so.



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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby 40kguy on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:38 pm

I loved speed freestyle, i dont have premium anymore though.

im not fast, but they were fun as hell playing and there is a lot more strategy going on.
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby IcePack on Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:14 pm

I hve tried a few times, have fast computer fast connection in North America. And I get blown out of the water. It's really bad sometimes. So either I'm doing something wrong or I'm just slow as hell.
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby codierose on Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:31 pm

i do miss the fs feudal 4 player assin days chasing around the the lake. :D
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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby rhp 1 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:00 pm

codierose wrote:i do miss the fs feudal 4 player assin days chasing around the the lake. :D
stopped playing after got my gold

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Re: Why Don't More People Take Up Freestyle?

Postby AslanTheKing on Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:36 pm

and i was calculating , how on earth could this guy be so fast,
i was moving my mouse like crazy to deploy and attack, and with all the stress and pressure, i misclicked and attacked neutrals or the wrong places,

so whats this clicki thing, and where is the link?

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