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Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby cmbdiesel on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:30 am

I have recently noticed some extraordinary outcomes with a few players, and did a little digging...
What I found was a General and a Brigidier General who have played more games than me
me - 2264 (captain)
General - 2532
Brigadier - 3151
and yet when looking at dice distribution, they have far less total rolls than I do
me - 941329 944222 945061 944492 945672 944156
General - 119566 119330 120497 119992 120271 119572
Brigadier - 142198 144312 143952 144414 143931 144149

How is it even remotely possible that they could have played so many games, with so few rolls?
The percent of attack vs defend seems normal.

It seems clear that there are players who are getting a much different CC experience than the one that is available to the general public. This smacks of an unlevel playing field and possibly a dishonest and honorless system.

I would very much like to hear an explanation from the people who run this site.
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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby Donelladan on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:46 am

I didn't look at the game they played, and I can't because you didn't gave their name.
But the fact that they have less total roll doesn't mean they have more luck than you do. If the ration of 6/5/4/3/2/1 is the same than yours then they have similar dice.

Now simple explanation of why they have far less total roll than you can simply be that they play smaller map.

For example if you play a 1v1 on Eurasia, Hive or USA 2.1, you are bound to roll way more dice, than if you play 1v1 on doodle earth or luxembourg.
Also if you play a 8 players games escalating, you'll probably have much higher number of troops than during a 1vs1, even you play the same map.
So I am assuming those 2 players are playing smaller map than you do, or different kind of setting.
That's all.
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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby owenshooter on Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:01 pm

cmbdiesel wrote:It seems clear that there are players who are getting a much different CC experience than the one that is available to the general public. This smacks of an unlevel playing field and possibly a dishonest and honorless system.








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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby Keefie on Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:41 pm

Just took a quick look and I think there are two reasons for this.

I'm assuming the Brig is nippersean who has now played 3153 games. Nearly 50% of his games are team games, this will significantly reduce his rolls. Less than 10% of your games are team games.

The 2nd factor is the amount of BOT games you've played. Your wall says you've played 2264 games, an simple search on game finder lists it as 4228 including BOT games. While BOT games don't show as games played on your wall I suspect they are included in your dice stats.

Mmmmmm

Just looked at my own stats.

12588 games

396954 402402 400561 403043 402718 400691

Even taking what I've already mentioned into account, your stats look screwed. If I were to guess I reckon that there's a problem with how the figures from the BOT games are counted. Maybe there's a bug that includes all of the BOT's rolls in a players stats ? This wouldn't show up for most players. But for someone who's played nearly 2000 BOT games it would make their stats look really freaky.

Raise an e-ticket and get admin to look into it.
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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby cmbdiesel on Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:47 pm

Thanks Keefie. I deliberately did not mention anyone by name, as I prefer not to cast aspersions on folks who are most likely innocent.
Apparently using my numbers as a reference was bad methodology.
Much appreciate the response and the time it took to dig into it.

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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby owenshooter on Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:22 am

Keefie wrote:Just took a quick look and I think there are two reasons for this.

I'm assuming the Brig is nippersean who has now played 3153 games. Nearly 50% of his games are team games, this will significantly reduce his rolls. Less than 10% of your games are team games.

no, no, no... has to be cheating... team games? poppy cock!!! take this to C&A!!! let's get these bastards!!! the site MUST give us answers!!!!-Jésus noir

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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby eddie2 on Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:32 am

Lol no no no I'm gonna open 2 c and a reports.

1 ) to my dear friends of fad the war organisers who keep on sending me invites to private games of there choosing.

2) tourney organisers for the same reason lol. Because although I join some I never played the map on them settings and someone has joined that is a pro on them, and organiser put me against them.

Lol should be funny
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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby betiko on Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:27 am

an other factor is playing a lot of escalating games that end up stalling. If you have over 1000 troops; that's a lot of rolls... that could be done in hundreds of 1v1 games on small maps.
Thinking there is a correlation between number of dice rolls and game played is ust totally wrong.
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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby Nymeria Stark on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:24 pm

city mogul = many rolls
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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:46 pm

Keefie wrote:Just took a quick look and I think there are two reasons for this.

I'm assuming the Brig is nippersean who has now played 3153 games. Nearly 50% of his games are team games, this will significantly reduce his rolls. Less than 10% of your games are team games.

The 2nd factor is the amount of BOT games you've played. Your wall says you've played 2264 games, an simple search on game finder lists it as 4228 including BOT games. While BOT games don't show as games played on your wall I suspect they are included in your dice stats.

Mmmmmm

Just looked at my own stats.

12588 games

396954 402402 400561 403043 402718 400691

Even taking what I've already mentioned into account, your stats look screwed. If I were to guess I reckon that there's a problem with how the figures from the BOT games are counted. Maybe there's a bug that includes all of the BOT's rolls in a players stats ? This wouldn't show up for most players. But for someone who's played nearly 2000 BOT games it would make their stats look really freaky.

Raise an e-ticket and get admin to look into it.


This is not the only part of the story. It's not just team games, it's also total number of players. Games with more players will typically take more rounds, thus giving more opportunities for rolls. For a fixed number of players, team games may be shorter than non-team games, but if so, the effect isn't as large as the variance that comes from the number of players. (Note how a lot of the 8+ player bot games that OP is playing are lasting 40+ rounds.) About half of OP's games are 8+ player games, compared to only 1/6 for nippersean. And indeed, almost all of the 8+ player games for nippersean are team games; non-team games with 8+ players only account for 60 of his 3000+ games.
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Re: Super-players or is it cheating?

Postby notyou2 on Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:52 am

Am I missing something here? Could it be that the two unnamed players win quicker than normal because they are very good at the game? I don't think that was stated. Smaller maps was stated, but speed of wins wasn't.
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