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I want these feature(s) most:

Poll ended at Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:07 pm

Initial army placement
181
19%
Attack details in game log
149
16%
Clickable maps (e.g. click the country to attack)
175
19%
Designated account sitters (so you don't need to give out your password)
109
12%
Fix the Freestyle double turn loophole
164
18%
More Battle Royales
157
17%
 
Total votes : 935

Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Qwert on Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:47 pm

Hmm i must say that frestyle fix,is not some new thing.

Lack you need to look mine sugestion,this will be great improvment for Scoreboard.

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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Blitzaholic on Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:14 pm

whitestazn88 wrote:a 1v1 team game is a game that you would be able to set at 1v1, but when both players joins, it looks like a 2v2 where instead of each player starting w/ 1/3 of the territs each, they get 1/4, in 2 different colors, and it works just like doubles



oh ok, yes, I like that, thx
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby hwhrhett on Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:19 pm

how about all the clan updates that twill told us we would have a few years ago??

like the ability to make labeled clan games, and make games for clan challenges without joining them. when we were told we could no longer use tournament privileges for these things twill told us they would be coming in just a few months, and that we could live without them in that short period of time, which is now 2 years ongoing..... not that im expecting you to bang them out right now, but figured id bring it up again....

but definately FIX THE FREESTYLE LOOPHOLE!
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby pimphawks70 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:48 pm

without a doubt freestyle loophole
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:53 pm

lackattack wrote:Now that I'm back from a my summer vacation, it's time to get back to some heavy duty programming... but what should I code :-k

I need your input - what major feature would you like to see next?
more medals so I dont have to hold out on my premium purchase again.....until someone secretly buys it again for me ;)
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:56 pm

MrBenn wrote:
Blitzaholic wrote:And it is overdue, but there should be allowed a clan medal for the clan winning the season clan league as long as they participated in a minimum of required games such as 12 or 15 games. This clan league season only happens once per year and the field and competition overall is much for difficult than many tourney;s, so only fair to reward the clan that wins a medal.

It would be nice to see a few more medals, but to be fair, the clan thing should be worthy of at least a Community Achievement Medal?

From the lackattack-list at the top of this thread, the double-turns loophole would be my top pick, although there are other things NOT on the list that I would equally like to see implemented ;-)

community medal should start to be issued to non-mods and non-site workers.
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby notyou2 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:20 pm

Welcome back Lack. How was Shediac? The place has gone haywire while you were away.

I would like to see moderators that actually show moderation when enforcing the revamped rules, evenly and fairly and with transparency. As well as an examination in minute detail of recent bannings that seem heavy handed and unfair to many in this diverse and divided community.
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby AAFitz on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:31 pm

Fix it so the new players dont get stuck with ridiculously low ratings, just because they are new. One bad rating can drop them down to 4.0, which really should be reserved for players that well...earn that low rating.

Even if you just soften the blow, by delaying the timing that the ratings take effect...it should allow a player to have a better rating when they do take effect, and also, not discourage them from staying. It really wont affect all of us, but I think in the long run, it may very well, keep a player or two around.

At the very least, it will correct a disparity of fairness. Im assuming this is a very easy fix, which is why I suggest it now. You must be sick of me mentioning it by now, so you might as well just shut me up...and help out the newbies :D
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Zombie73 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:47 pm

why dont you focus on the business aspect of your mods.

they are ruining your site.

bring back DM. ;)
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Incandenza on Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:11 pm

I think that there are three main areas that could use some serious turtle-love:

1. Clans. The whole CC clan experience is growing exponentially, and yet we still lack some really basic necessities, like game creation and labelling privileges for clan leaders (or at the very least, for jp and marval, special dispensations aside), to say nothing of the whole OTIS thing. But a few small changes would make clan challenges and leagues ever so much easier to run.

2. Site mechanics. Really, the freestyle loophole has to go, and should have been fixed long ago. This won't be the first time that a deep flaw in freestyle has had to be fixed. And as long as there are identifiable flaws/loopholes in freestyle, it will continue to be a stigmatized game setting.

3. Gameplay. It's been ages since CC had a new gameplay feature, and while random maps are all well and good, they remain something of a novelty. Infected neutrals also sound cool, but again they seem like more of a novelty than anything approaching a killer app. However, team 1v1 games would, IMHO, give the site a major shot in the arm. I recall the heady days when 1v1 games were first introduced, and game creation took off like an ICBM. While team 1v1s may not be quite as popular, they would certainly fill a huge niche and would become very popular.
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby sinctheassasin on Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:40 am

I would like to see practise games, for if you want to play a new map, without the risk of losing points. Maybe this is the way to remove noob farming... By only letting them play in games where people can't take their points...
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Artimis on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:00 am

Good to see you return from the wilderness, Lack.

Freestyle Double Turns
Priority No.1 is to fix the Freestyle Double Turn timer loophole. The Eliminate Freestyle Double Turns thread has grown quite a bit while you've been away, I believe a simple solution can be found in this post way down near the end of the pages:
Subject: Eliminate Freestyle Double Turns

Supreme_Pookie wrote:How about having an automatic "End Reinforcement" action occur just prior to time running out.
For perpetrators who practice this type of rule breaking, this "tactic" (as it's been incoorectly labeled) would then be rendered null and void.
The rules specifically state that if you're the last one to take a turn in the round then you can't be the one to play first in the next round.
This is a clear vio;ation of the rule.

This is a bug in need of extermination.


Basically the premise is to have the game tally up who has NOT ended their turn as the clock runs out on the round and set them on turn delay as if they had ended their turn normally by clicking 'End Reinforcements'. So either they wait until half the round passes of someone else begins which unlocks them to have their turn. This will work wonders with Casual Freestyle while having minimal impact on Speed Freestyle.


Designated Account Sitters
This would spare clan members the risk of losing control of their accounts to some malicious and unscrupulous individual because of sharing their password with a bad egg. Example that's spring to mind are the recent freezing of Neoteny's account in lieu of account sitter abuse, also the not too easily forgotten havoc wreaked by benjis_widow(Subject: benjis_widow - account abuse [banned]). All this chaos can be avoided in future with designated account sitters and I along with my members won't be so nervous when we give out our password to someone else, I'm certain that almost all the other clans feel exactly the same way.


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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby ahunda on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:21 am

1v1 team games, hands down. O:)
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:25 am

blitz hit the nail on the head i think..
medals is a massive buzz...and sounds like a relatively simple thing to do..in comparasin to fixing freestyle loophole etc. the ground work is already there..(medal ideas platinum diamond, flat rate, esc etc etc) so i think that should be done soon...its a big attraction to alot of people who get bored of the game to game life...
next freestyle has to be fixed...how im sure someone knows...
everything else seems like a luxury...cm, designated sitters, brs..altough cool to had but prioity i think is medals/freestyle then the rest
more battle royals are always fun..just no flat rate..game 1 mil lol
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Master Fenrir on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:26 am

Attack details. For some reason, I've always found those really interesting to look over on similar sites.
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Postby lord voldemort on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:27 am

oh also 12 player games...
so u can have more trips teams and more quads teams...
just something different...
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:55 am

Blitzaholic wrote:
jpcloet wrote:
Timminz wrote:2-player team games.....


Yes, 1v1 team games should be added!



how is 1 vs 1 a team game jp?


Blitz he means if you make a 1 vs 1 team game. You would basically be playing by yourself vs another player. So if it was triples you would control all 3 colors on your side and the other person would control theirs.
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:00 am

ahunda wrote:1v1 team games, hands down. O:)



YES PLEASE! So Ahunda does this mean I get to play you first in a 1 vs 1 team game. I would love to square off with some top players 1 vs 1 in a team game.


Edited to add

Adding clickable maps in will help stop so much of the complaining also. :)
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby angola on Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:36 am

Master Fenrir wrote:Attack details. For some reason, I've always found those really interesting to look over on similar sites.



What exactly do these details show?
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:41 am

lackattack, i'd like to see some more features placed into the game engine so that we can continue to create some unique gameplay maps.

I'd like to know if Territory Decay to Neutrals is possible. It would be helpful towards the Gallipoli map for the battleships that weren't used during the whole battle.
It would also be a way to avoid another Das Schloß situation so that all terts could be eliminiated.

Apart from that my 3 votes are in the mix above. :)
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby demonfork on Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:15 am

Please, for the sake of freestyle, don't ruin the freestyle format by eliminating the double turn.

Before I give my reasons why this would ruin freestyle, let me first start off with on of my favorite rebuttals that I use against the double turn naysayers that written by a wise man of cc...

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...And just to clarify, anti-double-turn block is only meant to prevent "surprise" double turns when the round ends before the 24 hours are up. Any other sort of double turn (e.g. when someone didn't play or ran out of time) is allowed because everyone knows when the turn expires and it isn't a surprise.


#1. As you stated, it is no mystery when the clock flips, any player can easily show up when the time expires and take their turn.

#2. (Mostly applies to 1v1) Delay tactics are used quite often in casual freestyle. A player ends his turn early and comes back later at some arbitrary time to clean house when his opponent has long since logged off. The double turn is one of the only means of counter measure when dealing with this tactic. It brings balance to the format. If you take away the double turn casual freestyle will turn into a game of who can end their turn this quickest.

#3 Being double turned is preventable. If you wish to eliminate the possibility of ever being double turned just make sure that you are always the last player to take your turn. I myself have never been double turned* because I either A. Show up at the clock flip or B. prevent it from happening by staying at the bottom of the turn rotation.

*Sometimes I might set my opponent to be in the position to double turn me because once you are double turned you have the option of returning the favor. Therefore you have to execute the double turn at the appropriate time in the game, If you do it at the wrong time it could backfire on you if your opponent delivers it right back at you.

I love to play 1v1 but I avoid sequential 1v1 because whoever goes first has a huge advantage and is usually the one that ends up winning the game. Currently Freestyle 1v1 is a completely balanced and fair format. A player loses the advantage of going first because his opponent has the option to counter this advantage with a double turn. You remove the double turn and you remove the balance form the game and thus ruin freestyle.

Yes a lot of players complain and cry foul when they fall victim to this strategy because of their inexperience or their general lack of freestyle skill, but so what.... In chess when I first fell victim to the Queens Gambit I didn't go cry because I was unaware of this tactic, I was happy because I learned a new skill that I was able to add to my arsenal.

There will always be crying noobs, crying noobs are a part of life. The vast majority of the double turn naysayers also happen to suck at Freestyle and or don't understand the format. Please don't ruin freestyle because some crying noob can't handle that someone else has the necessary skills and knowledge to be good at something and they do not.
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby sherkaner on Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:28 am

Demonfork, Lack himself refers to it as a loophole. And his quote isn't entirely correct either, if you take your turn and let it run out in a 24-hr game, you actually change the time the new round starts, and the endtime isn't predictable any more.

And it looks like most people here agree with removing the loophole :D
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby demonfork on Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:44 am

sherkaner wrote:Demonfork, Lack himself refers to it as a loophole.


I'm sure he only refers to it as that because that's what it's become known as, clearly he intentionally coded it to work the way that it does, I doubt that he would purposefully code a "loophole".


And his quote isn't entirely correct either, if you take your turn and let it run out in a 24-hr game, you actually change the time the new round starts, and the endtime isn't predictable any more.


Wrong, it does not change the time when the new round starts if you let the clock run out!!! When you let the clock run out the new round starts precisely at the end of the 24 hours. It's completely predictable.


And it looks like most people here agree with removing the loophole :D


So what, like I said most of the people that agree with removing it either suck at freestyle and or don't understand freestyle.
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby Artimis on Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:37 am

demonfork wrote:Please, for the sake of freestyle, don't ruin the freestyle format by eliminating the double turn.

Before I give my reasons why this would ruin freestyle, let me first start off with on of my favorite rebuttals that I use against the double turn naysayers that written by a wise man of cc...

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...And just to clarify, anti-double-turn block is only meant to prevent "surprise" double turns when the round ends before the 24 hours are up. Any other sort of double turn (e.g. when someone didn't play or ran out of time) is allowed because everyone knows when the turn expires and it isn't a surprise.


#1. As you stated, it is no mystery when the clock flips, any player can easily show up when the time expires and take their turn.

Weak Argument - Because not everyone has the ability to turn up at that precise time to counter a double turn attempt due to school/work/sleeping. This is partly down to differing time zones around the world and partly down to when a new round is triggered by someone ending their turn properly instead of intentionally sidestepping the turn delay. I can hardly turn round to my boss and tell him I've got to stop work and log into CC to stop someone double turning in an internet game..... :roll:


demonfork wrote:#2. (Mostly applies to 1v1) Delay tactics are used quite often in casual freestyle. A player ends his turn early and comes back later at some arbitrary time to clean house when his opponent has long since logged off. The double turn is one of the only means of counter measure when dealing with this tactic. It brings balance to the format. If you take away the double turn casual freestyle will turn into a game of who can end their turn this quickest.

Flawed Argument - Don't overextend yourself then, or make all your moves at once, or any other number of things that would reduce your ability to respond.


demonfork wrote:#3 Being double turned is preventable. If you wish to eliminate the possibility of ever being double turned just make sure that you are always the last player to take your turn. I myself have never been double turned* because I either A. Show up at the clock flip or B. prevent it from happening by staying at the bottom of the turn rotation.

The same as point one, this is useless if you're stuck at work and unable to access CC at the required time, they'll just double turn anyway and you can't prevent it unless your internet access is surgically implanted, or you have an iPhone with internet access(that's still a fairly exclusive club).


demonfork wrote:Yes a lot of players complain and cry foul when they fall victim to this strategy because of their inexperience or their general lack of freestyle skill, but so what.... In chess when I first fell victim to the Queens Gambit I didn't go cry because I was unaware of this tactic, I was happy because I learned a new skill that I was able to add to my arsenal.

There will always be crying noobs, crying noobs are a part of life. The vast majority of the double turn naysayers also happen to suck at Freestyle and or don't understand the format. Please don't ruin freestyle because some crying noob can't handle that someone else has the necessary skills and knowledge to be good at something and they do not.

Weak Argument - A cheap tactic does not good strategy make! The turn delay was implemented for a reason, that you discovered a way to circumvent the turn delay does not mitigate this at all.



Eliminating this loophole would encourage more experienced players to play freestyle and make your games more challenging.

....... I've just realised, this is the opposite of what you'd want, if the experienced players start joining your games you're more likely to lose! #-o Instead of them just avoiding your games altogether they'll start joining and then you'll have to start foeing them to keep them out....... Of course you don't want Freestyle changed, it won't be only newbies or forgetful unskilled players with no scripts joining your games if the loophole was closed. :|
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Re: The next big update... [Feedback Desired]

Postby 4myGod on Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:46 am

where is the option to fix the mods/admins and the previously perma banned members? I want those fixed next.
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