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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby vodean on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:19 pm

safariguy5 wrote:
shieldgenerator7 wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
aage wrote:
pmchugh wrote:We should put tags on games that are in signups, like + signs or something.
This actually sounds like a good idea. Or we could add "signups" to the title, but I guess that takes longer to read. Those plus signs are brilliant.

Of course. Why everyone knows that plus signs are the universal symbol for "open for signups".


IKR? It's so much better than making easily-implemented tags for this forum to show the game is in sign-ups.

Indeed, because we know that EVERYONE who enters the mafia forum will read the handbook first. Just like EVERYONE who posts in GD reads the community guidelines first.

what do you mean, Community Guidelines? and why would we want a Mafia Handbook. no one should even bother writing one.
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Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:05 pm

Is it really so hard to distinguish filled and non-filled games? Do we really think that adding ++ tags will raise the sign-up rates? ffs people, if your game isn't filling it's probably because there are too many games or nobody wants to join it.

I'm assuming y'all have eyes and basic comprehension abilities. Use them.

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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby vodean on Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:12 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Is it really so hard to distinguish filled and non-filled games? Do we really think that adding ++ tags will raise the sign-up rates? ffs people, if your game isn't filling it's probably because there are too many games or nobody wants to join it.

I'm assuming y'all have eyes and basic comprehension abilities. Use them.

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funnily enough, yesterday i put ++ tags on my game, and today it is up from 2/9 to 4/9...
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby aage on Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:44 am

vodean wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Is it really so hard to distinguish filled and non-filled games? Do we really think that adding ++ tags will raise the sign-up rates? ffs people, if your game isn't filling it's probably because there are too many games or nobody wants to join it.

I'm assuming y'all have eyes and basic comprehension abilities. Use them.

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funnily enough, yesterday i put ++ tags on my game, and today it is up from 2/9 to 4/9...

Well, maybe add ++++++++++ next time, you'll have 14 players :D
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:35 pm

Nice! They do work afterall ;)
(I like a good case of confirmatin bias)

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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby safariguy5 on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:28 am

shieldgenerator7 wrote:Nice! They do work afterall ;)
(I like a good case of confirmatin bias)

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Lol, correlation does not equal causation.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby Yomiel on Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:03 am

It all blends together. When you see threads with stuff like "12/13", that would suggest one more player is needed.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby vodean on Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:49 am

Yomiel wrote:It all blends together. When you see threads with stuff like "12/13", that would suggest one more player is needed.

or the game is ongoing and one person has died.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby Yomiel on Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:05 am

Nowhere else but here. Even forums with Queue sections usually just use that kind of thing for games in sign-ups.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby aage on Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:41 am

Yomiel wrote:Nowhere else but here. Even forums with Queue sections usually just use that kind of thing for games in sign-ups.
Thank you for sharing this valuable information.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby Yomiel on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:06 am

You are welcome for the information. Glad you think so much of it.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby edocsil on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:35 am

safariguy5 wrote:
shieldgenerator7 wrote:Nice! They do work afterall ;)
(I like a good case of confirmatin bias)

-SG7 ( :) )

Lol, correlation does not equal causation.


Pretty much.


I have always been of the opinion that if you can't figure out how the signups work, you don't have the deductive reasoning to play here anyhow. SIGNUPS is usually posted in the title and that is a thousand times more descriptive then ++ ++ for a additional 2 characters. If the game is 10 pages long and people are VOTING, guess what? It's not in signups.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby Yomiel on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:39 am

Nothing wrong with making things less cluttered. An archive was created.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby jak111 on Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:30 am

edocsil wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
shieldgenerator7 wrote:Nice! They do work afterall ;)
(I like a good case of confirmatin bias)

-SG7 ( :) )

Lol, correlation does not equal causation.


Pretty much.


I have always been of the opinion that if you can't figure out how the signups work, you don't have the deductive reasoning to play here anyhow. SIGNUPS is usually posted in the title and that is a thousand times more descriptive then ++ ++ for a additional 2 characters. If the game is 10 pages long and people are VOTING, guess what? It's not in signups.


Haha, exactly. Still might be useful for everyone to put sign ups in their title so the noobs can find them. The ++ tags are unknown to anyone but those who play here. I use **SIGN UPS** for my threads and I think that's as clear as you're gonna make it. Also, don't clutter f*ck the title of the thread until you're at least full :/ That just makes it look ugly more than anything else.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:14 pm

In the future people will say:
"I have always been of the opinion that if you can't figure out that the ++ tags mean the game is in signups, you don't have the deductive reasoning to play here anyhow."

BTW edoc this sentence that you wrote (that I twisted around) could easily be made to support my case too. Just saying.

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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby edocsil on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:25 pm

shieldgenerator7 wrote:In the future people will say:
"I have always been of the opinion that if you can't figure out that the ++ tags mean the game is in signups, you don't have the deductive reasoning to play here anyhow."

BTW edoc this sentence that you wrote (that I twisted around) could easily be made to support my case too. Just saying.

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What additional clarity is gained by +'s?
What additional utility is there by the +'s? (what do they do that "signups" does not?
What is the value of the 2 or 3 characters saved by +'s?

To me if there is no value to to an actions, the action is meaningless. I see no value for the +'s, nor see why we should waste a mods time to add it to some community guideline-ish post.

There is merit to the idea of having a separate signup area, but there are elsewhere listed cons that have made us decide to keep things as they are. +'s have no merit. They do nothing that other tags do not, and they are less clear and informative then an actual description. They also look like they are from some malformed game lobby from the 90's, do you member all the !'s spaces +++ and the like that people used to do so their game would be listed first alphabetically? If not, go find a copy of Halo 1 for fee and look there. They look tacky and are of little or no benefit, so again I ask.

Why bother?
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby Yomiel on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:40 pm

Why not bother? Less clutter, and it's easier to find games currently in sign-ups. Even if you put the words in the topic title, it's the numbers which always tend to stand out more.
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:48 pm

If one of the Discussion & Mafia moderators wanted to play around with using (or creating) new topic icons, like those either used by the Foundry or the Tournaments section to mark various categories of topics, we could try that. :)


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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby aage on Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:50 pm

edocsil wrote:
shieldgenerator7 wrote:In the future people will say:
"I have always been of the opinion that if you can't figure out that the ++ tags mean the game is in signups, you don't have the deductive reasoning to play here anyhow."

BTW edoc this sentence that you wrote (that I twisted around) could easily be made to support my case too. Just saying.

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What additional clarity is gained by +'s?
What additional utility is there by the +'s? (what do they do that "signups" does not?
What is the value of the 2 or 3 characters saved by +'s?

To me if there is no value to to an actions, the action is meaningless. I see no value for the +'s, nor see why we should waste a mods time to add it to some community guideline-ish post.

There is merit to the idea of having a separate signup area, but there are elsewhere listed cons that have made us decide to keep things as they are. +'s have no merit. They do nothing that other tags do not, and they are less clear and informative then an actual description. They also look like they are from some malformed game lobby from the 90's, do you member all the !'s spaces +++ and the like that people used to do so their game would be listed first alphabetically? If not, go find a copy of Halo 1 for fee and look there. They look tacky and are of little or no benefit, so again I ask.

Why bother?

We can't stop them from using the tags, mate. If they want to add a picture of Selena Gomez to every signup thread we couldn't stop them either. I suggest we conserve what can be conserved before this board is usurped by these newlings! ;)
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:53 pm

HEY GUYS THE POKEMON GAME NEEDS 8 MORE PLAYERS, HERPDEDERP.

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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby vodean on Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:54 pm

aage wrote:
edocsil wrote:
shieldgenerator7 wrote:In the future people will say:
"I have always been of the opinion that if you can't figure out that the ++ tags mean the game is in signups, you don't have the deductive reasoning to play here anyhow."

BTW edoc this sentence that you wrote (that I twisted around) could easily be made to support my case too. Just saying.

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What additional clarity is gained by +'s?
What additional utility is there by the +'s? (what do they do that "signups" does not?
What is the value of the 2 or 3 characters saved by +'s?

To me if there is no value to to an actions, the action is meaningless. I see no value for the +'s, nor see why we should waste a mods time to add it to some community guideline-ish post.

There is merit to the idea of having a separate signup area, but there are elsewhere listed cons that have made us decide to keep things as they are. +'s have no merit. They do nothing that other tags do not, and they are less clear and informative then an actual description. They also look like they are from some malformed game lobby from the 90's, do you member all the !'s spaces +++ and the like that people used to do so their game would be listed first alphabetically? If not, go find a copy of Halo 1 for fee and look there. They look tacky and are of little or no benefit, so again I ask.

Why bother?

We can't stop them from using the tags, mate. If they want to add a picture of Selena Gomez to every signup thread we couldn't stop them either. I suggest we conserve what can be conserved before this board is usurped by these newlings! ;)

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Postby safariguy5 on Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:00 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:If one of the Discussion & Mafia moderators wanted to play around with using (or creating) new topic icons, like those either used by the Foundry or the Tournaments section to mark various categories of topics, we could try that. :)


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Unfortunately I don't have the programming experience for that. But honestly shield, +'s don't mean "Signups". "Signups" do mean "Signups". Games that are not in signups usually have a "Day" or "Night" + a number after the (12/13) or whatever. I mean, if people take the time to read the thread titles in GD or OT, I see no reason why they wouldn't do the same here.
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Postby jgordon1111 on Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:22 pm

Ah hell make it where you can color code the subject line,green you are in sign ups,red you are playing the game,and black game over. Or if you want to get crazy, black game is in progress,red game is over. Ta Da problem solved.

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Postby DiM on Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:53 pm

actually there's a very simple and elegant solution.
the main foundry has colour codes to show the stage of development for any map.
it's a little coloured ball next to the topic that kinda looks like this:

Image or this: Image

so whoever's in charge of this section can talk to andy and maybe get the same icons for here.

green means it's accepting players
yellow means it's ongoing and accepts reserves
red means it's ongoing and doesn't need anything
and blue means it's on pause or something

or heck, we could even ask for different types of icons like they have for the tournaments:
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Re: It would be nice if there was a section for...

Postby edocsil on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:35 pm

DiM wrote:actually there's a very simple and elegant solution.
the main foundry has colour codes to show the stage of development for any map.
it's a little coloured ball next to the topic that kinda looks like this:

Image or this: Image

so whoever's in charge of this section can talk to andy and maybe get the same icons for here.

green means it's accepting players
yellow means it's ongoing and accepts reserves
red means it's ongoing and doesn't need anything
and blue means it's on pause or something

or heck, we could even ask for different types of icons like they have for the tournaments:
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I could be down with this. It makes for uniformity without making it look like a 12 year old troll is running around.

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