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by **freezie** on Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:06 pm

Vote count:

Iron Butterfly(3): Chapcrap, Hippo, Everywhere.

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Prod going to Tails upon request.

by **thehippo8** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:04 am

Good evening ... travel day over. Read to here, mulling it over. I'll have a sleep and think about it in the morning RT.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:10 am

freezie wrote:Vote count:

Iron Butterfly(3): Chapcrap, Hippo, Everywhere.

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Prod going to Tails upon request.

Oh great, my vote doesn't count today? I'll try again...
VOTE IRON BUTTERFLY

by **pancakemix** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:15 pm

Well, given the fact that chap has offered up an investigative claim, I see no reason not to test it. Well, except for two:

1. Spiesr pointed out some alternative explanations to chapcrap's outcomes. I believe the burden of proof is on chap to explain why none of these are the case.

2. IB has the right to claim before we just straight up lynch him. Given the level of scrutiny chap is giving, I suggest he do so sooner rather than later.

by **strike wolf** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:20 pm

Well, IB was near the top of my list anyways. I'll agree with the burden of proof being on chap but it seems like (at least to me) others are defending IB more than he has himself.

by **Djfireside** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:35 pm

I want to know what your extra information is but I will play along on this and push ib to see where this goes.

Vote ib

by **chapcrap** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:13 pm

I'm not sure what proof you want.

I'm Minerva. I haven't been counter claimed. I told you my role and my night 1 investigation. What are you wanting me to prove? Yeah, my game mechanic analysis could be incorrect, but unless you don't believe my claim, why would you not vote IB? My proposed game mechanics have nothing to do with whether or not my investigation is legitimate.

by **everywhere116** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:17 pm

I agree with you and think that he should put pressure on him, but he's already at L-3. Maybe just one more vote and we can stop until IB speaks again.

by **chapcrap** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:02 pm

everywhere116 wrote:I agree with you and think that he should put pressure on him, but he's already at L-3. Maybe just one more vote and we can stop until IB speaks again.

Yeah, with him being L-3 he might want to speak up. We already know that there is a secret voter. It could be a double voter, so putting MORE pressure isn't really a good idea without a claim.

by **dazza2008** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:35 pm

I'll wait till IB speaks. I was starting to get suspicious of him. Now a guilty result on him makes me pretty sure he is scum. I will wait though.

I am interested to know why he thinks I am scum. This makes me even more suspicious of him.

by **spiesr** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:45 pm

chapcrap wrote:Yeah, with him being L-3 he might want to speak up. We already know that there is a secret voter. It could be a double voter, so putting MORE pressure isn't really a good idea without a claim.

Being that Mc05025 claimed double voter, it would be a poor choice for him to prematurely lynch Iron Butterfly...

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:07 pm

Hey Folks,

Sorry we have had a family emergency so I will be out this weekend. I will try to post once a day but I cant garauntee it. So my lack of posting is a result of what had been going on here.
....................

To matters on hand.

Professor Firenze “Centaur Vigilante”

“You are a Centaur, who is part of the Forbidden Forest Centaur Colony, and a professor of divination
at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. You were hired by Albus Dumbledor to replace Sybil Trelawny after she was forced out by Dolores Umbridge. You have faced down the evil that now confronts Hogwarts before and will fight till till your dieing breath to prevent a Deatheater victory.”

I have also been given the ability to investigate two players. I investigated Dazza and he came back positive. I investigated Chap and could not get a read one way or the other, which puzzles me. I do not know if I was blocked as there are a variety of possibilties.

My main ability is the abilty to kill death eaters but it is extremly difficult to use. It seems to me better suited to endgame. I can not just send in a players name because I believe they are a death eater. I need to send in the name of the player and predict the death eaters name.

I thought Chap was FOSing me because he somehow knew I tried to investigate him. I had no idea he tried to kill me. Why I lived I do not know. Chap seems to think that I am Mafia and and that they bus drove me with Safari the night he targeted me.
From a Mafia point of view that would be a silly sacrifice early in the game...especially knowing that Safari would die anyways. Why sacrifice a mafia member whose role has been exposed and who dies if his role works. Theres no need to frame someone whos dead anyways. Thats just my WIFOM point of view.

I will try and post as best I can. It seems everytime I am in a good game somthing happens to limit my participation.

by **spiesr** on Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:06 pm

A couple questions for you Iron Butterfly.
1. On what nights did you make each investigation.
2. What sort of restrictions are placed on your killing power. Specifically, what happens if you are wrong?
3. Is the kill a standard night action (1 kill per night) or is it different.

Iron Butterfly wrote:I thought Chap was FOSing me because he somehow knew I tried to investigate him. I had no idea he tried to kill me. Why I lived I do not know. Chap seems to think that I am Mafia and and that they bus drove me with Safari the night he targeted me.
From a Mafia point of view that would be a silly sacrifice early in the game...especially knowing that Safari would die anyways. Why sacrifice a mafia member whose role has been exposed and who dies if his role works. Theres no need to frame someone whos dead anyways. Thats just my WIFOM point of view.

I don't exactly understand what you are saying here. Safariguy was town, yet my reading of your posts seems to suggest your post thinks he was scum. "Why sacrifice a mafia member whose role has been exposed and who dies if his role works." Who is this referring to? "Theres no need to frame someone whos dead anyways." I have no idea what you are talking about here. Also, mafia busdriving Safariguy with one of their own, while certainly not the only explanation for things, is a move that would make sense from the mafia perspective. It provides a shield from vig attack, and becuase of Safariguy's ability isn't too suspicious for him to have died instead of the actual target. It screws with investigations both ways. Seems like a logical enough move. The entire last bit of your post doesn't seem to make sense...

by **alt1978** on Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:54 am

I have read up to here...but I am not able to decipher with certainty between chap and iron butterfly's seemingly competing versions of events.

My take on it is that one is lying and the other is not. Something about ib's claim seems a lot more fanciful then other claims we've seen, or the description i was given of my role. It was either better written than everyone else's, or he took some liberties to improve upon the text to help his case. I don't know if that is scummy...but it's something i noted.

Typically in my book, the simplest explanation is usually the most likely...chap being minerva and doing an investigation seems the cleanest way events transpired but I am still really foggy on some of the mechanics. His hasty post yesterday before the lynch seems like it would be reason enough to get him blocked last night if it were true.

I am leaning towards voting ib...but would like to hear a little more discussion before weighing in.

by **Djfireside** on Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:38 am

I am also on the road but in reading ib statement want to read and review but alt makes a point he seems specific but who knows. I want to know what the other info chap had or if I read that and there is none and I'm mistaken