PKMN Chap 2: Day 6(5/18)

[TA1LGUNN3R]

After nags "3 reasons comment" I posted a response which included this:

pmchugh wrote: It actually makes me considerably suspicious of nag, I would expect him to have much more sense. FOS nag

Nags own response to this was to in his own words do a "u-turn" on his opinion of me.

Again, what exactly did you accuse him of? Your post was a knee-jerk response to nag's demand of the 3 points. I'm suspicious of every single person playing the game (always), yet I haven't actually accused them of anything. Merely stating that you find somebody suspicious isn't an accusation.

Your highlighted passages, I'm afraid, don't justify your point. Nag asked a simple question, and you and others took it the wrong way and got super defensive, which caused him to suspect you. I don't see how that is unreasonable discourse. You ask questions; based on responses you have suspicions.

Your crusade against zimmah. You oft repeated how you're the only one who was actually pursuing the case, how this makes you special, etc. etc. There's the self-aggrandizement I was talking about.

I'd like to see some quotes on this please. The only thing vaguely like this that I remember saying was along the lines of everyone else was voting/accusing but not really giving him statements he could reply to and/or deny.

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If I'm so scummy in your eyes because of my lack of activity and my self-serving posts, then I don't know why you haven't voted for me. I can only surmise that, recognizing that you're in a tight spot, you don't want to be accused of omgus'ing.

This is not OMGUS and nor would it be if I voted for you, as you can see if you go back a few pages and review my list of targets where you clearly fell into the category of "Leaning mafia". I haven't voted you just yet as I am still weighing up my options, no townie is ever 100% sure and there are plenty of other candidates for lynching today.

I have little regard for a list of scum potentials that might include me, especially one that is cursory and without much merit. You're entire point against me consisted of my activity, which wasn't isolated to this one game, but across the board.

If the bandwagon is a pendulum then it is currently swinging away from me, even if it is still closest to me. In other words the momentum is shifting away from me, the pressure is lessoning and you are attempting to reverse this in order to force a lunch/claim.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Zimmah is a potential scum. I do not like how he handled the day 1 random pressure, and think his case could have waited for a little more evidence.

interesting timing for your 'case' on me.

Indeed.

-Tails

[ghostly447]

big post coming up. I will summarize here:

SW, I will have to go back and read in depth. Your defense is enough to hold you over until I have time to re-read.

Kratos, you can expect to be 1 of 2 targets in my next post. You just set yourself in the spotlight.

Lootenplunder, you are the other 1 of 2 targets in my next post. More scummy posting.

Be back with the big post.

Fastposted x2

[shieldgenerator7]

Hey Captain PLanet, props to you for trying to make the game more fun.
I just don't think it'll work quite the way you would expect it to.

And honestly I find it to be a little scummy especially since you're under pressure for having replaced nag. (a tough position to be in nonetheless)

But it's still nice having you in the game

FASTPOSTED

[ghostly447]

Forgot to include zimmah will have a bit of mentioning as well.

[LootenPlunder]

Hey man, it was a simple y/n question. It can't take that big of a post to answer.

[LootenPlunder]

Oh do you guys hammervote, or is it whoever has the most votes?

[shieldgenerator7]

Oh do you guys hammervote, or is it whoever has the most votes?

depends on the game/mod. Usually we hammer vote, as in if no majority is reached by deadline, it defaults to no lynch.

I would tell you to look at the OP, but it doesn't say. I'm guessing it defaults to no-lynch.

@MOD: can we get clarification on this? thanks

-SG7 ( )

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Yeah I understand the policy of day one lynches. Day one lynches can yield so much information. The best I can do in this position is deflect to another player and be accused of deflecting to further dig my grave.
Most of my read-up was on my past-self, the cases I had built were destroyed by later posts. So I'm still sifting through to get some goodens.

I think Ghostly should agree to be lynched if I flip town... if you're so sure why don't you put your life on the line!
Yes yes I understand you don't 100 percent know. But lets make this interesting shall we.

omg probably the most interesting post all game

[DoomYoshi]

Oh do you guys hammervote, or is it whoever has the most votes?

Days can end in no lynch.

Here is a copy of the mass prod in case somebody loses it:

Hey everyone, this is a massprod to remind you that the deadline is Friday! I am setting the deadline at midnight EST, but I may not be on then. You can continue talking until I post a scene, but no further votes will count.

This has been one of the richest day 1s I have seen in a while, so congratulations and thank you to everyone for posting their fullest. Also, thank you to our replacements for fighting through the wall of text to help the game move along.

Vote Count
Haggis (0) -
strike (0) -
freezie (0) -
pmchugh (7) - zimmah, pancake, clever, freezie, jonty, eldario, Tails L-3
jonty (1) - haggis
shield (0) -
Loot (2) - ghostly, shield
zimmah(1) - Victor
clever (0) -
edocsil (0) -
Tails (0) -
Victor (1) - pmchugh
Pancake (0) -
Ghost (1) - jonty

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
Deadline is Friday the 20th.

[shieldgenerator7]

Thanks Doomy. ("y" was a typo but I'll think I'll leave it in)

Ok so that means we have to have a majority or we no lynch

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Thanks Doomy. ("y" was a typo but I'll think I'll leave it in)

Ok so that means we have to have a majority or we no lynch

well i think its agreed a no lynch is really not an option. so do we lynch him or wait till deadline and see if something else comes up?

[LootenPlunder]

I will happily be the martyr this town deserves. If you guys are cool with lynching me, then I am too. You will have your list of peeps and Ghostly will be wrong.
Lets do this.
B)

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I will happily be the martyr this town deserves. If you guys are cool with lynching me, then I am too. You will have your list of peeps and Ghostly will be wrong.
Lets do this.
B)

omg i hope i am in more games with you lolol you are hysterical. omg i wonder if he is mafia acting desperate!!!!!??????

[ghostly447]

Well, after reading about 25 pages of bull shit, 5 pages of what seems to be town on town, and 2 pages of "DONT GIVE UP", I have come to the conclusion that:

Zimmah is a potential scum. I do not like how he handled the day 1 random pressure, and think his case could have waited for a little more evidence.

Strike Wolf is a top scum contender. Every time there is a strange post such as Nags "give me 3 reasons not to vote you", Strike wolf brings up jonty again, which by the way I do not feel is scum because I can understand people being quiet, especially if it is continued. I may persue jonty, but at this point it is neither worth time, or a strong case. FOS Strike Wolf

You say strike is a top scum conteneder and then only go on to FOS of him. And the case on me has nothing to do with inactivity. unvote vote ghostly

Forgot to say you were on the list. Well done Jonty, you seem to have missed my entire point that, in fact, Nag was top on my scum list. FOS jonty

Now to the really big fish to fry.

Kratos=blue
Me=red

Going through, Kranos mentioned somewhere (P.23 somewhere) saying "going against the grain was not good". Well, I feel that this is quite scummy personally. Because last I checked, Zimmah went against the grain. And he was released after getting a few votes on him, with no claim, and really no results.

Just out of curiosity did you actually read the case I presented or just skim through it? I didn't say that "Going against the grain was not good." That makes it sound like a general thing and that every time someone does it's a bad thing which certainly isn't true. My case, if you would read it, talked about how he was saying things that appeared like he was making it sound as if he was trying to seek out cases while still applying pressure to the case he wanted to make him look town. Yes there was also parts about him stagnating the game from continuing on with the zimmah case as well.

I did in fact read it. Sorry, 30 pages is quite a bit to read through and summarize in as little as I did. So wait, your case was about PMC saying things that made it appear that he was in fact looking for cases while still applying pressure to the first case? Well, that is the point of the game isnt it? Pursue the current case until a better one shows up. By continuing pressure, it allowed for another case to build, granted it backfired and almost led to him being the D1 lynch, but obviously he had town benefit in mind by seeking other cases. Thanks for giving me that point

What is really tricky is how Some7hingCLEVER continues to post a bunch of fluff to appear active but has no real substance to add anywhere...

True..But you know what is also really tricky? The fact that you were heading the case just 2 pages ago and now others are taking control and you are no longer really pushing on PMC. Funny how things like that work. You know, switching pressure everywhere by taking majority thought (everyone hates the pressure on Zimmah) and applying it to the person continuing to pressure.

What's even trickier than this though is how you're trying to twist things. Yes I was heading the case 2 pages ago but there weren't really any new developments for me to respond to and I was starting to get a much more null read on PMC at that point so there wasn't much to be said about that from me. And soon after he asked for time to create a solid defense for things which he did. Why would I continue to push that?

You didnt. I am just saying you directed pressure from zimmah onto PMC. You are in fact twisting my words, because here is my post:

Guys, Kranos is pushing this case hard. Such like a few pushed against Zimmah, and in the end, PMC was stuck as the next case just because he was finishing the case EVERYONE ELSE started.

Also, you must very much consider that my post against you was made before you backed off. Remember? I am a replacement.

Kratos - Seems to direct the flow but never finish out his cases.

First you say "cases" I've presented the one case on PMC and while I may have directed the flow on that why would I finish out a case that was then adequately defended and I now believe the player is town... I'm not going to continue to push for a lynch of someone who I don't believe to be scum that's just stupid. I know maybe if I had said somewhere that PMC's response was good enough for me and that I no longer wanted to vote for him. Then we wouldn't have this confusion I bet.

Alright. PMC, your response has satisfied me so my vote will be remaining off of you for now.

Oh wait I did say that. Hmm... Why are we having this confusion then? Either you've been really skimming or you're trying to attack the people who have been talking about clever as seeming scummy. aka SW and I

Oh, but wait. I could have sworn that my case was that you seemed to be directing the flow from switching the case from zimmah to PMC. oh, whats that? You have it quoted above? I will highlight in in green. Thank you for that.

Clever jumps all over the board with activity. Some games, he is inactive. Others, he is half active, half inactive. Most, he attempts to make the cases and figure out everything as he goes, and does relatively okay. In this case, I think he is trying to give little imput. Maybe either because he doesnt think the cases given are good ones, maybe because he is scum. He is not on the top of my list of potential scum.

This is just to further my point about you protecting clever. Here you're trying to sort of protect by saying he's not high on your list of potential scum/you don't think he's acting to scummy yet you also say that maybe he's acting the way he his because he is scum to kind of cover your tracks. I find this quite scummy in itself but unfortunately it is built around clever being scum so he would have to first be lynched to figure things out but if he does come up scum at some point you're my first target for a case.

Twisting my words again? Very much so. I did in fact say that he may or may not be scum. But I believe I also said that in some games he is hyper active, and in some inactive. Oh, I did. Here, I will highlight in cyan.

Anyway I must be going for now as I have to work. When I get off work tonight I'll work on putting together a case on S7C so we can get things rolling.

Where much enjoy work! You sure did work hard building that case against yourself!

Zimmah is a potential scum. I do not like how he handled the day 1 random pressure, and think his case could have waited for a little more evidence.

interesting timing for your 'case' on me.

That all you have to say zimmah?

If thats the case, then all I gots to say is..Indeed.

Not going to bother quoting loot. I will just respond.

When you flip mafia? I sit back and make sure I catch the rest of your scum buddies.
When you flip town? I sit there and prepare to defend myself from what will surely be a brigade of votes on me D2, so that I can explain myself.

Yeah I understand the policy of day one lynches. Day one lynches can yield so much information. The best I can do in this position is deflect to another player and be accused of deflecting to further dig my grave.
Most of my read-up was on my past-self, the cases I had built were destroyed by later posts. So I'm still sifting through to get some goodens.

I think Ghostly should agree to be lynched if I flip town... if you're so sure why don't you put your life on the line!
Yes yes I understand you don't 100 percent know. But lets make this interesting shall we.

Decided to quote because this is so interesting. Let me break it down point by point.
1. You understand the policy of day 1 lynches. This sentence will come back to haunt you shortly.
2. Deflecting would most certainly dig your grave further. But there was a second option you forgot to mention. Thats the option where you actually defend yourself and make it so that no townie is lynched, and no claims are given (if you can help it).
3. I should agree to be lynched if you flip town, putting my life on the line for the ultimate D1 lynch suspense drawer in the world. Why, if you were town, would you want someone leading a case (like a normal townie does when they are confident) to risk their own life to prove their point on day 1 which you clearly state you know I cannot be 100% sure about?

If I could vote you again, you better believe it would be there in a heart beat.

So, what have we learned today?

Zimmah can write some 1 liners in response to an entire case I built on 4-6 players.
Loot doesnt want to dig himself a deeper grave, though in my opinion he just did.
Kratos loves digging his own grave.
Strike Wolf is the only players I cannot go strongly against here until I get time to reread.
SG7 loves to joke around (go figure).
And Jonty can skim skim skim.

Questions, comments, concerns?

fasposted x5+

[LootenPlunder]

The thing is, I'm not defending myself. I'm defending a player who is no longer playing. Which is fruitless. I would much rather martyr and give out information to you fine chaps seeing as we are so close to the deadline.

We can dance around the fire until the deadline, but it's all rather moot. So lets finish this up so I can go out in a beautiful show of honor and compassion.

Also, to my little green friend, know that I love you. and wish you the best of luck in the wild. Please don't forget to visit mom every once a in while.