Josh, now that the game is over, there's one thing I wanted to point out :
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:It is not a guarantteed win b/c with you as scum that would make the scum win. While it would be highly unlikely that all 3 scums would do that on the same day, it would also be a good reason to in fact do it. Nobody would suspect that it would happen. When called on it the person would just easily point out how that would be stupid and nobody is that stupid to do it which would in fact be a good reason to do it.
This argument is called a wifom
. It is generally bad form to base an accusation on a wifom, as you are as likely to fool yourself as you are to get things right. When wifom arguments are made, they are a sign that the arguer is scum and trying to confuse people; I've used them a couple of times in the past for sport, but both of those times I was scum.
Furthermore, when making an argument like this, you have to be able to consider the game from the mafia's perspective. As a hypothetical, assume that Exile, nagerous and I were all scum, and that we were the only remaining scum in the game. Further, let's assume that the game is going badly for scum - scum has lost a couple of people in the first couple of days, and the numbers have swung against them.
So, scum's goal - make at least one member of scum look town. How to do this? A cop claim is a good way to pull it off, but requires sacrificing a scummate. Fortunately, one of the scummates is a terrorist - perfectly made for sacrificing. So, one scum claims cop, goes after the terrorist, the terrorist explodes to seal the deal - mission accomplished, two scum are still alive.
Now, let's consider the other scenario - scum one outs scum two as part of a cop claim. Scum two counter-claims
scum one, and outs scum three (the terrorist). The terrorist blows himself up. Scum one gets lynched, but scum two looks like town. So, the final score - mission accomplished, but only one scum remains; ergo, a bad play compared to the above. It won't happen.
About the only time anything like this could
happen is in a fight between a Godfather and an Usurper; however, if something like this does
happen, the town should cry for joy, since the mafia is suiciding itself. Plus, if it does happen, one of the players involved will be revealed as Godfather or Usurper on death, which is a dead giveaway.
At any rate here, the point I'm trying to make is that you should be able to tell based upon my actions that I wasn't mafia; furthermore, assuming that you were town, and that I was lyncher, you should realize that the scenario I was pushing actually was
the correct play for the town (well, it's possible that spin could have been scum, but if that were the case this discussion is unimportant). So, I was rather surprised you were arguing against it.