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Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Wed May 02, 2007 11:51 am

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Yomiel wrote:As I said, I DID. He responded very badly both times. He won't even consider that he made a mistake, and this behavior is hurting the game.
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Postby Aimless on Wed May 02, 2007 1:30 pm

Yes!
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Postby nagerous on Wed May 02, 2007 1:33 pm

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Postby Aimless on Wed May 02, 2007 1:36 pm

Actually, not.

It was the right play for spinwizard. I am a lyncher, but there's a chance that LSU Josh is scum (albeit a remote one); lynching LSU Josh is a guaranteed win for the town. It just also happens to be a win for me. :D
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Postby nagerous on Wed May 02, 2007 1:37 pm

but is someone cult?
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Postby Aimless on Wed May 02, 2007 1:38 pm

Well, if spin is town, he's the last man standing so town wins. If spin is any variety of scum, he's still the last man standing, so he wins. As I said - it was the right play for spin.
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Postby spinwizard on Wed May 02, 2007 1:40 pm

yay, i am townie
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Postby nagerous on Wed May 02, 2007 1:42 pm

meh
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Postby nagerous on Wed May 02, 2007 1:43 pm

neutrino was never mafia by the way I think he was embarassed townie or whatever they are called, a townie who shows up mafia when he is lynched or killed
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Postby Aimless on Wed May 02, 2007 1:44 pm

The role is Death Miller. Pro-town, but is revealed as scum upon investigation and death.
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Postby Aimless on Wed May 02, 2007 2:02 pm

Josh, now that the game is over, there's one thing I wanted to point out :

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:It is not a guarantteed win b/c with you as scum that would make the scum win. While it would be highly unlikely that all 3 scums would do that on the same day, it would also be a good reason to in fact do it. Nobody would suspect that it would happen. When called on it the person would just easily point out how that would be stupid and nobody is that stupid to do it which would in fact be a good reason to do it.


This argument is called a wifom. It is generally bad form to base an accusation on a wifom, as you are as likely to fool yourself as you are to get things right. When wifom arguments are made, they are a sign that the arguer is scum and trying to confuse people; I've used them a couple of times in the past for sport, but both of those times I was scum.

Furthermore, when making an argument like this, you have to be able to consider the game from the mafia's perspective. As a hypothetical, assume that Exile, nagerous and I were all scum, and that we were the only remaining scum in the game. Further, let's assume that the game is going badly for scum - scum has lost a couple of people in the first couple of days, and the numbers have swung against them.

So, scum's goal - make at least one member of scum look town. How to do this? A cop claim is a good way to pull it off, but requires sacrificing a scummate. Fortunately, one of the scummates is a terrorist - perfectly made for sacrificing. So, one scum claims cop, goes after the terrorist, the terrorist explodes to seal the deal - mission accomplished, two scum are still alive.

Now, let's consider the other scenario - scum one outs scum two as part of a cop claim. Scum two counter-claims scum one, and outs scum three (the terrorist). The terrorist blows himself up. Scum one gets lynched, but scum two looks like town. So, the final score - mission accomplished, but only one scum remains; ergo, a bad play compared to the above. It won't happen.

About the only time anything like this could happen is in a fight between a Godfather and an Usurper; however, if something like this does happen, the town should cry for joy, since the mafia is suiciding itself. Plus, if it does happen, one of the players involved will be revealed as Godfather or Usurper on death, which is a dead giveaway.

At any rate here, the point I'm trying to make is that you should be able to tell based upon my actions that I wasn't mafia; furthermore, assuming that you were town, and that I was lyncher, you should realize that the scenario I was pushing actually was the correct play for the town (well, it's possible that spin could have been scum, but if that were the case this discussion is unimportant). So, I was rather surprised you were arguing against it.
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Postby The1exile on Wed May 02, 2007 2:09 pm

Meh, I should targeted spin instead of willis.

I thought the cop claim went off quite nicely, though, but kudos to Aimless for managing to get me not to kill him (I would have if there'd been an SK to cover the fact that it might have been me; as it was I was going to take down a semi active townie and then claim I'd investigated Aimless to confirm his role).
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Postby nagerous on Wed May 02, 2007 2:12 pm

lol good game all
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Postby pancakemix on Wed May 02, 2007 2:40 pm

Aimless leads LSU to the gallows. He personally pulls the lever and drops the floor on him. Suddenly, a chuckle. Then an audible laugh. Aimless then bursts into maniacal hysteria. He transforms into a flaming demon, burning eyes and a fiendish goti. Then he disappears in a puff of smoke.

Town and Lyncher(Aimless) have won the game!
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Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Wed May 02, 2007 2:51 pm

Well Aimless, at that point as the last remaining scum taking over for a submariner I had close to no choice other than to try to confuse spin on voting for you since if I pull the vote on spin he obviously won't vote for himself and you weren't goign to either so my only chance was to try to trick him into going for you :)
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