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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby soundman on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:09 pm

Well I'm glad Strike came forward with his info. I would have been completely lost in defending myself against a wrong investigation. Needless to say I am town but I don't see a reason to give scum an advantage by claiming. FOS F1fth and NoS for wanting one. Like Rodion said, there's no rational reason for me to claim with Strike's claim. While I hesitate to lynch a claimed doc the facts are against Rishaed's claim. Unless Saf is lying which I don't think he is. So I will Vote Rishaed.

As a side note I've been suspicious of NoS for a while. All his posts are just mimics of what someone else has already said.

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby blakebowling on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:22 pm

soundman wrote:Well I'm glad Strike came forward with his info. I would have been completely lost in defending myself against a wrong investigation. Needless to say I am town but I don't see a reason to give scum an advantage by claiming. FOS F1fth and NoS for wanting one. Like Rodion said, there's no rational reason for me to claim with Strike's claim. While I hesitate to lynch a claimed doc the facts are against Rishaed's claim. Unless Saf is lying which I don't think he is. So I will Vote Rishaed.

As a side note I've been suspicious of NoS for a while. All his posts are just mimics of what someone else has already said.

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There is also the possibility of a framer (i.e. the framer targeted you and skewed safari's result).

As far as the possibility of safari lying: Why would a scum out himself to get one lynch? Assuming that safari is scum and rishaed really is the doc: That either makes strike scum as well (2 scum for one doc is still in town's advantage). OR safari got really lucky and it just happened to turn out this way (really unlikely).
All in all, At the time being I believe safari's claim (it doesn't make sense for him to have claimed) and strike's (he gave up his information willingly). This is of course assuming there is only one scum among the four. (strike, safari, rishaed, and soundman)

F1fth's conclusions are also logical, I believe that lynching Rishaed (no matter which way he flips) is our best option. Either we kill 1 scum and loose nothing (More Llikely) OR we kill 2 scum and loose a doc (Less Likely).
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby rishaed on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:10 pm

Well it seems that I'm going to get lynched no matter what here. Thanks for letting me play with you guys! Its been nice.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby pancakemix on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:23 pm

If it were anything else, I'd have reservations. However, busdriver isn't an easy role to fake and it'd be a huge gamble to try even try. #readitalready #mafiaproblems #hashtagsarefortwitter #unvote

As for rish, the above post pretty much sounds like a concession (or a confession? Both?). So I'll vote rish.

I dunno if the angels coming forward is such a good thing. They're likely the most powerful roles we've got, and the doc/watcher can't cover all of them.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby pancakemix on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:24 pm

pancakemix wrote:If it were anything else, I'd have reservations. However, busdriver isn't an easy role to fake and it'd be a huge gamble to try even try. #readitalready #mafiaproblems #hashtagsarefortwitter #unvote

As for rish, the above post pretty much sounds like a concession (or a confession? Both?). So I'll vote rish.

I dunno if the angels coming forward is such a good thing. They're likely the most powerful roles we've got, and the doc/watcher can't cover all of them.


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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby NoSurvivors on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:48 pm

soundman wrote:Well I'm glad Strike came forward with his info. I would have been completely lost in defending myself against a wrong investigation. Needless to say I am town but I don't see a reason to give scum an advantage by claiming. FOS F1fth and NoS for wanting one. Like Rodion said, there's no rational reason for me to claim with Strike's claim. While I hesitate to lynch a claimed doc the facts are against Rishaed's claim. Unless Saf is lying which I don't think he is. So I will Vote Rishaed.

As a side note I've been suspicious of NoS for a while. All his posts are just mimics of what someone else has already said.

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby NoSurvivors on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:49 pm

sorry for the doublepost but also, you did seem to post rather quickly when it was convenient for you..
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DRoZ on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:11 pm

VioIet wrote:
rishaed wrote:N1: Iliad
N2: Vodean
N3: Mr. squirrel
N4: Strike
That have been my night actions so far in this game N1&N2 were CMS5 and I was rushing to send in my action N3 b/c of flight back to states.
N4 Strike seemed to have a pretty good spotlight on him and since I figured Scum would go after someone close, but not directly in the limelight i doc'd him.


I wonder if Droz would be able to prove or disprove any of this.


I can't really prove/disprove much of that, although I did watch CM5 on night one and can confirm nothing happened to him.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby Rodion on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:26 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Night 1: Sully- Innocent
Night 2: Com9- Innocent
Night 3: VioIet- Innocent
Night 4: Soundman- Guilty


No interference from Strike Nights 1 and 2 means Sully and Commander are cleared.

I don't think you've claimed your N3 actions, though, Strike? I'm guessing whatever it is you did had nothing to do with Violet? Can we clear her as well? I'll assume we can, but let me know.

gregwolf (12) ~ Saf, jonty, soundman, violet, aage, JG, Nag, DRoZ, jak, ??? (regardless of whether ??? was Jak or Victor), Strike, Vodean

Means we have 3 anti-town out of the following 6:

Saf, Jonty, Soundman, Aage, Droz, Strike

I'd suggest Aage, Jonty and Droz for the killing Rishaed wagon.

Rishaed, who would you suggest?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby Rodion on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:48 pm

I'd also like to recommend that Gregwolf forces everyone he masons with into fully claiming through PMs.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby rishaed on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:33 am

Rodion wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Night 1: Sully- Innocent
Night 2: Com9- Innocent
Night 3: VioIet- Innocent
Night 4: Soundman- Guilty


No interference from Strike Nights 1 and 2 means Sully and Commander are cleared.

I don't think you've claimed your N3 actions, though, Strike? I'm guessing whatever it is you did had nothing to do with Violet? Can we clear her as well? I'll assume we can, but let me know.

gregwolf (12) ~ Saf, jonty, soundman, violet, aage, JG, Nag, DRoZ, jak, ??? (regardless of whether ??? was Jak or Victor), Strike, Vodean

Means we have 3 anti-town out of the following 6:

Saf, Jonty, Soundman, Aage, Droz, Strike

I'd suggest Aage, Jonty and Droz for the killing Rishaed wagon.

Rishaed, who would you suggest?

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby Rodion on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:53 am

I was worried that the character Strike thought to be the doctor was not in fact, since the "doc switch" was still alive and there was no reason to ever turn the switch "on". I was somewhat puzzled and even considered raising that point to partially defend Rishaed, but...

rishaed wrote:^ are you honestly asking me who i want to lynch me :lol: :lol: IMHO I don't want to be lynched ya know? I really don't care atm seeing as I'm being lynched, its up to you guys to decide :roll:


Yes, that was the last chance you had to prove you had town's best interest in mind when deciding who would be "investigated" by Chap. Playing town means you can win even if you die, so knowing your lynch is imminent should not stop you from trying to find scum until your very last breath. I'll take that lack of interest as your confession of being mafia.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:42 am

Rodion wrote:I was worried that the character Strike thought to be the doctor was not in fact, since the "doc switch" was still alive and there was no reason to ever turn the switch "on". I was somewhat puzzled and even considered raising that point to partially defend Rishaed, but...

rishaed wrote:^ are you honestly asking me who i want to lynch me :lol: :lol: IMHO I don't want to be lynched ya know? I really don't care atm seeing as I'm being lynched, its up to you guys to decide :roll:


Yes, that was the last chance you had to prove you had town's best interest in mind when deciding who would be "investigated" by Chap. Playing town means you can win even if you die, so knowing your lynch is imminent should not stop you from trying to find scum until your very last breath. I'll take that lack of interest as your confession of being mafia.

I still wonder what the doc switch did though. Two nights have been without kills so far, so apparently those nights had active doctors in them (or very lucky roleblockers). Does killing the 'doc switch' mean all doctor actions from now on fail?

Agreed with the last paragraph, I say lynch him. Far too non-caring to be town.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:43 am

Rodion wrote:I was worried that the character Strike thought to be the doctor was not in fact, since the "doc switch" was still alive and there was no reason to ever turn the switch "on". I was somewhat puzzled and even considered raising that point to partially defend Rishaed, but...

rishaed wrote:^ are you honestly asking me who i want to lynch me :lol: :lol: IMHO I don't want to be lynched ya know? I really don't care atm seeing as I'm being lynched, its up to you guys to decide :roll:


Yes, that was the last chance you had to prove you had town's best interest in mind when deciding who would be "investigated" by Chap. Playing town means you can win even if you die, so knowing your lynch is imminent should not stop you from trying to find scum until your very last breath. I'll take that lack of interest as your confession of being mafia.

I still wonder what the doc switch did though. Two nights have been without kills so far, so apparently those nights had active doctors in them (or very lucky roleblockers). Does killing the 'doc switch' mean all doctor actions from now on fail?

Agreed with the last paragraph, I say lynch him. Far too non-caring to be town.

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:44 am

Sorry about that double post, my browser was loading the page for over three minutes and my reply didn't show up for some reason.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:20 am

unvote

I would argue that I am not 100% cleared though. The mafia may have a busdrive, and I could be a godfather. However, that list of three makes sense to me, so I don't need to be on the wagon.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby jonty125 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:40 am

vote rishaed seems like scum in his last few posts, and for wagon analytics.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby Rodion on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:03 pm

The one thing I managed to research about the doc switch was that he could "flip" the switch at nights. However, the setup had both a mafia doc switch and a SK doc switch, meaning that if both decided to turn the doctor off, the doctor would be on (2 negatives = positive). This game, however, seems pretty maniqueist to have a SK. My assumption is that mafia could turn the doctor off and nulify him as long as Vodean lived.

I obviously don't know much about doc switchs as I had never seen one. If anyone has any knowledge on this role, feel free to elucidate us.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby gregwolf121 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:57 pm

Rodion wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Night 1: Sully- Innocent
Night 2: Com9- Innocent
Night 3: VioIet- Innocent
Night 4: Soundman- Guilty


No interference from Strike Nights 1 and 2 means Sully and Commander are cleared.

I don't think you've claimed your N3 actions, though, Strike? I'm guessing whatever it is you did had nothing to do with Violet? Can we clear her as well? I'll assume we can, but let me know.

gregwolf (12) ~ Saf, jonty, soundman, violet, aage, JG, Nag, DRoZ, jak, ??? (regardless of whether ??? was Jak or Victor), Strike, Vodean

Means we have 3 anti-town out of the following 6:

Saf, Jonty, Soundman, Aage, Droz, Strike

I'd suggest Aage, Jonty and Droz for the killing Rishaed wagon.

Rishaed, who would you suggest?


Just for the Record i would exclude Saf from the list, i agree that it is still possible that he is scum, but it is highly unlikely, and it narrows down the anti-town to 3 of 5
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby VioIet on Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:02 pm

DRoZ wrote:
VioIet wrote:
rishaed wrote:N1: Iliad
N2: Vodean
N3: Mr. squirrel
N4: Strike
That have been my night actions so far in this game N1&N2 were CM5 and I was rushing to send in my action N3 b/c of flight back to states.
N4 Strike seemed to have a pretty good spotlight on him and since I figured Scum would go after someone close, but not directly in the limelight i doc'd him.


I wonder if Droz would be able to prove or disprove any of this.


I can't really prove/disprove much of that, although I did watch CM5 on night one and can confirm nothing happened to him.


If you watched CMS, who I assume is crazymilkshake, on Night 1 then you should have seen rishaed visit him. That is what I'm asking!!!! I don't know how you didn't understand that, or why you still seem to refuse to give us the information we need. I was on your side, but now I'm starting to get suspicious of you as well.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I you watch someone- doesn't that mean that the mod gives you the name of whoever visited that player? Whenever I've been watcher in a game, I was always given the name of whoever visited my target, if anyone did. If no one visited, the mod said, "No one visited X."

I don't understand why Droz would give such a lax response, such as, "I can't really prove/disprove much of that." Either you watched some of those targets- so you can prove/disprove, or you didn't watch anyone of them, so you can't prove/disprove. You give an answer down the middle, which can't work.

If I was a watcher, and I had watched CMS, I could say whether someone had visited him or didn't visit him.

Also, rishaed says that he healed Illiad on Night 1 and Vodean on Night 2 (awful choice). But then why did he say he visited CMS on Nights 1 and 2? That doesn't make sense!

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I don't think you've claimed your N3 actions, though, Strike? I'm guessing whatever it is you did had nothing to do with Violet? Can we clear her as well? I'll assume we can, but let me know.



I claimed my role on Day 2. I am pretty sure that is why safari investigated me by Night 3. But I I would be pretty interested in hearing what strike has to say about Night 3. I think me being officially cleared once and for all would show the validity of the human-saint type roles. They are on the same side of the angels.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DRoZ on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:02 pm

Rish replaced cm5, they are the same character, not two different people. I believe that is what is causing your confusion.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby NoSurvivors on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:12 pm

shouldn't strike or soundman be on that wagon also, since theyre the ones who's being tested right now? o.O (i suggest strike since he was the "cop").
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby rishaed on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:58 pm

NoSurvivors wrote:shouldn't strike or soundman be on that wagon also, since theyre the ones who's being tested right now? o.O (i suggest strike since he was the "cop").

Strike was busdriver not "cop", thus me being lynched ya know? And technically speaking its a fair analysis of a good wagon here.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:15 pm

rishaed wrote:
NoSurvivors wrote:shouldn't strike or soundman be on that wagon also, since theyre the ones who's being tested right now? o.O (i suggest strike since he was the "cop").

Strike was busdriver not "cop", thus me being lynched ya know? And technically speaking its a fair analysis of a good wagon here.

Wait, so you're perfectly okay with us lynching you today?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby rishaed on Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:19 pm

^Of course I'm not okay with you guys lynching me today, I mean why would I? Each one of us has an inherent desire to survive, even if its a game you know. I'm just resigned to my fate in this game.
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