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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby strike wolf on Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:48 pm

Jak couldnt win with town. Technically only mafia did count against you but it was 3 v 3 and double voter on our side. Me and PCM had made it abundantly clear that we would simply force your lynch as town couldnt force one and edoc decided to end the game early.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby Rodion on Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:54 am

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jak111 wrote: I was surprised to see Violet vote for Rodion though, I thought we would have all had to be out to get a lynch.


Well he said that I was lying when I obviously wasn't,


Except that you did lie (I still do not understand why you said your saint was alive). It's not even like I was threatening you, as I was holding my vote until I felt 100% certain of the path to take. I reckon you could have gotten out of that situation by simply admitting you screwed up. PCM, on the other hand, had some serious explaining to do on why he'd given Yoshi a cop gift after Yoshi fakeclaimed angel. Unfortunately, CC's bad habit of voting too soon did not allow me to continue my inquiry. :cry:
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby strike wolf on Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:57 am

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jak111 wrote: I was surprised to see Violet vote for Rodion though, I thought we would have all had to be out to get a lynch.


Well he said that I was lying when I obviously wasn't,


Except that you did lie (I still do not understand why you said your saint was alive). It's not even like I was threatening you, as I was holding my vote until I felt 100% certain of the path to take. I reckon you could have gotten out of that situation by simply admitting you screwed up. PCM, on the other hand, had some serious explaining to do on why he'd given Yoshi a cop gift after Yoshi fakeclaimed angel. Unfortunately, CC's bad habit of voting too soon did not allow me to continue my inquiry. :cry:


Honestly I think you were being a bit harsh on both of those accounts. There were multiple fake angel claims in the game and they all turned out to be misguided saints and whether Vio's saint was alive or not was a rather trivial detail from my point of view.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby aage on Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:36 am

strike wolf wrote:Jak couldnt win with town. Technically only mafia did count against you but it was 3 v 3 and double voter on our side. Me and PCM had made it abundantly clear that we would simply force your lynch as town couldnt force one and edoc decided to end the game early.

You had a double voter and an executioner. You could have forced a lynch if there were 9 people alive. :p
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:47 am

I still don't understand why Rodion considered my play to be trying to buy the mafia time. I wasn't recruited yet at that point.

Also, I'm totally surprised droz was town. It became more obvious later on, but I would've bet that he was scum.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby Rodion on Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:04 pm

Strike, I never said it wasn't trivial (remember I never voted or suggested we lynch Violet), but it had to be asked nonetheless as it could indicate a fakeclaim.

DoomYoshi wrote:Sry 4 double:

Yesterday I softclaimed angel. Rodion can investigate me and I can't claim to be human. That will verify me 100%


DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, I'm not an angel lmao. I am Brigit of Kildare, a saint.


Fakeclaim shown above.

To be totally honest, though, I was working under the influence of the wrong night scene (the one that implied there were 7 angels, not 8 ). Since there were 5 angels out in the open, I had found / as the 6th and I was the 7th, I "knew" you couldn't possibly be an angel. That's mainly what made me unmask you.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby VioIet on Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:31 am

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jak111 wrote: I was surprised to see Violet vote for Rodion though, I thought we would have all had to be out to get a lynch.


Well he said that I was lying when I obviously wasn't,


Except that you did lie (I still do not understand why you said your saint was alive).


Wow Rodion, I still don't get you. And no, I didn't screw up when claiming. I think you just thought too hard about it when nothing was there. Here is my role pm:

edocsil wrote:You are Catherine of Genoa, you are a simple saint trying to live life by your ideals and your faith.

You are a Backup Doc. You will become a full doc if Avitus of Vienne, the Doctor, dies.

To win all the Demons must be dead.

Confirm in the game thread, and PM me if you have any questions.


So yes my Saint was still alive as I said. It was you who said/thought/believed my saint to be dead for whatever reason. I remember you bringing up a point about 1512, which didn't even make sense, as it's 2013. All of the characters would be dead, if you think about it like that.

This was a game. It is not real. It's not real life! It's a game! Edoc has the right to bring up characters from all different time periods and put them all in the same universe/world/game if he chooses. You can't let details like that throw you off from the flow of the game.


Rodion wrote:It's not even like I was threatening you


I don't even know why you brought up a non-issue in the first place. If you were more concerned about pcm at the time, then that is who you should've inquired about.


Anyway, I'm not trying to be too critical of you Rodion as I think you played well and almost single-highhandedly kept the game active at certain points. But from my point of view, you being unrealistically picky about my role-claim, when I felt there were bigger issues at the time seemed to be scummy. That's why I voted you. I was wrong as well, I can admit that. But wrong about voting you, not wrong about my claim. That was 100% honest at all times.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby aage on Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:41 am

VioIet wrote:Wow Rodion, I still don't get you. And no, I didn't screw up when claiming. I think you just thought too hard about it when nothing was there. Here is my role pm:

edocsil wrote:You are Catherine of Genoa, you are a simple saint trying to live life by your ideals and your faith.

You are a Backup Doc. You will become a full doc if Avitus of Vienne, the Doctor, dies.

To win all the Demons must be dead.

Confirm in the game thread, and PM me if you have any questions.


So yes my Saint was still alive as I said. It was you who said/thought/believed my saint to be dead for whatever reason. I remember you bringing up a point about 1512, which didn't even make sense, as it's 2013. All of the characters would be dead, if you think about it like that.

This was a game. It is not real. It's not real life! It's a game! Edoc has the right to bring up characters from all different time periods and put them all in the same universe/world/game if he chooses. You can't let details like that throw you off from the flow of the game.

Okay, that's just bullshit. You threw the town off balance by your claim. Want to know why?
Wikipedia wrote:Saint Catherine of Genoa (Caterina Fieschi Adorno, 1447 – 15 September 1510) is an Italian Roman Catholic saint and mystic, admired for her work among the sick and the poor.


Obviously all the characters are dead, only dead people are canonized. One of the prerequisites of becoming a saint is performing miracles after you died. This meta junk you're defending yourself a posteriori with now is highly confusing and irrelevant. According to you, we shouldn't even care if the mod confirms someone is God, because who cares about flavour?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby jak111 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:43 am

I think what she means is Sam was still alive, that's what I gather from it.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby aage on Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:34 pm

jak111 wrote:I think what she means is Sam was still alive, that's what I gather from it.

Hmm. In that case, weird prhasing, but more logical from Violet's point of view.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby VioIet on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:15 am

aage wrote:Okay, that's just bullshit. You threw the town off balance by your claim. Want to know why?
Wikipedia wrote:Saint Catherine of Genoa (Caterina Fieschi Adorno, 1447 – 15 September 1510) is an Italian Roman Catholic saint and mystic, admired for her work among the sick and the poor.


Once again you are trying to compare real information with a game. That was from Wiki talking about the real Saint Catherine of Genoa. I was a character in a game. It's not real!

aage wrote:Obviously all the characters are dead, only dead people are canonized.
Umm, it's a game, not real life. You are thinking too hard. Being canonized in real life had nothing to do with the saints in this game. Once again, you can't compare real life to a game. In the context of this game, the saints were all living, and town aligned. One of the prerequisites of becoming a saint is performing miracles after you died. This meta junk you're defending yourself a posteriori with now is highly confusing and irrelevant.


My role pm gave no information about my character's personality or miracles performed, etc. All it said was that I was a simple saint living my life by my faith and ideals. Meaning in the game- I was a saint and I was living. Nothing more and nothing less. I am not using any meta whatsoever. I am simple stating what was in my role pm. In fact, you are the one trying to bring in information from wiki and other sources, when that has absolutely nothing to do with the game.

aage wrote:According to you, we shouldn't even care if the mod confirms someone is God, because who cares about flavour?


Where and when did I even say anything like that? I don't even know what you are talking about here, or the relevance of it to anything that I'm trying to say.

Aage, you are totally missing the point. I'm not talking about flavor or meta or anything like that. Please read again the original role pm that edoc sent to me. What part of the phrase "Living Saint" are you not understanding?

What exactly is the problem that you have with my claim? I claimed that I was a saint, that I was alive, and that I was a backup doc. Almost word for word what my pm says.

Once again, if you were thrown off balance by it, its because you thought way too hard about it. If you have an issue about my character being a saint and still being alive- then take it up with Edoc. Though, I don't think it was even meant to be that serious :roll:
Such a trivial fact that you are trying to get thrown off on.

And Jak, what I'm saying has nothing to do with Sam. I'm simply talking about my role pm and my claim. When Sam died, I became the full doctor. But that has nothing to do with what I'm trying to say here.

This is baffling as I feel what I'm saying is so very simple, but you guys aren't getting it :roll: Let me break it down once more:

Original Role PM: Saint, living, backup doc
My Claim: Saint, living, backup doc.

It looks pretty equal to me!
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby aage on Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:41 am

You're focussing on the "you're trying to live life..."-part, I take it. I was under the impression you were saying that your character, Catherine, was not dead yet in the context of the flavour (like Pope Benedict). Obviously you had not died yet in the game.

In fact, you are the one trying to bring in information from wiki and other sources, when that has absolutely nothing to do with the game.

1) I was scum, so obviously I could have been lying
2) I wasn't lying because it does, it can help you catch a fake claim. Everyone who had claimed saint had claimed someone who has been dead for quite some time. You claimed Catherine was alive. Catherine isn't. You are. This is probably where the miscommunication happened.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby VioIet on Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:23 am

aage wrote:You're focussing on the "you're trying to live life..."-part, I take it. I was under the impression you were saying that your character, Catherine, was not dead yet in the context of the flavour (like Pope Benedict). Obviously you had not died yet in the game.


Yes. "You are trying to life your live....." means my character is still alive. When I say still alive, I'm not talking about real life, or wiki or anything like that. I didn't do any outside research on my character. I was just talking about my role pm and the context of the game. And yes, of course I was not died yet in the game. But this whole issue of being alive or not came up early on in the game to distinguish the humans from the angels. The angels were town aligned and some humans were town aligned. Early in the game I claimed to be a human who was a saint, which confused some people.

I think in the context of this game, the title "saint" was just given to a good human being. In real life, it means that the person needed have died already and been canonized, but in this game, it didn't. In real life, you have no idea if you will be a saint or not while you are living, since that decision is made after death. But that didn't really matter for the game. Saint was just a town-aligned human. That's why I got frustrated when people kept comparing the game to real life. It's not going to be an exact match for every detail. I think that Edoc did a fantastic job with the role pm's. I liked that he used the names of real people for his character. However, I don't think it was meant to be this confusing. I think it was meant just for fun.



aage wrote:
In fact, you are the one trying to bring in information from wiki and other sources, when that has absolutely nothing to do with the game.

1) I was scum, so obviously I could have been lying
2) I wasn't lying because it does, it can help you catch a fake claim. Everyone who had claimed saint had claimed someone who has been dead for quite some time. You claimed Catherine was alive. Catherine isn't. You are. This is probably where the miscommunication happened.



Yes, it can help catch fake-claims. But it can also be dangerous though if things of the game don't exactly align with Wiki or real life.


Me= Alive
Me= Catherine
Catherine= Alive

Or is my reasoning faulty here? Is the above a valid argument, or a fallacy?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby aage on Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:10 am

VioIet wrote:Me= Alive
Me= Catherine
Catherine= Alive

Or is my reasoning faulty here? Is the above a valid argument, or a fallacy?

Aw, boy, this is confusing.
With "Catherine" I meant the actual Catherine of Blablabla, who lived five or six hundred years ago. The discussion at the time was about flavour and which angels would be in the game etcetera, at which point you said that your character was alive. Well obviously in this game the character is alive. But afaik that was now what the discussion was about at the time.
But let's not go into this more. I see where I misunderstood you. I hope you do too now.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

Postby Rodion on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:30 pm

Saying you're alive because of that little phrase in your role PM is akin to getting the following role PM and saying you're a watcher.

Role PM wrote:You're Jack, town vigilante. You've watched the world succumb in chaos until you could no longer stand it. Now you decided to take it upon yourself to cleanse humanity of all evil.

Every night you can target someone to kill him.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.
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