Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

[safariguy5]

I'm not saying that I know whether or not there are third party jak. Although large games tend to favor third party, I think it is premature to think that there must be third party. And even if we DO have third party, it seems that some people are exceedingly paranoid that it HAS to be a cult. I've said before that I don't see how a cult would fit this theme, and I'm skeptical that humans would play a third party role. It's possible we have a few survivors or lyncher or something, but I see no reason to suspect cult or a large third party faction. Not even flavor can justify it at this point.

[aage]

I'm not saying that I know whether or not there are third party jak. Although large games tend to favor third party, I think it is premature to think that there must be third party. And even if we DO have third party, it seems that some people are exceedingly paranoid that it HAS to be a cult. I've said before that I don't see how a cult would fit this theme, and I'm skeptical that humans would play a third party role. It's possible we have a few survivors or lyncher or something, but I see no reason to suspect cult or a large third party faction. Not even flavor can justify it at this point.

Cult does in no way fit the theme. I do think however that we're looking at at least one survivor and potentially a serial killer.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Sorry for inactivity the last couple of days. Dealing with a death in the family at the moment.

I still like my vote on Vodean since he is definitely not an angel. One other possibility is this setup "may" be similar to my old Civil War mafia setup where there are no "distinct" mafia/town sides, but rather 2 large but unknown to each other equal sides with the same type of roles with a random number of 3rd parties that can join a side or not.

[strike wolf]

Again no one's really died. I find it too early in the game to really have constructive discussion over what the set up may be. Just 50 theories with no real backing.

[jonty125]

Altering the game so a scum could get away with a fake claim would be bastard modding. Edoc is not a bastard mod.

+1

I have little idea how the setup is going to be, maybe: Angels - Town; Demons - Mafia; Human - Recruitable Town??

[Mr. Squirrel]

Hey guys. I'm really sorry, but I'm probably going to have to be replaced in this game. School and work and life is just too busy right now. On top of that, my internet will be cutting out at the end of the week.

[soundman]

Unofficial Vote Count

Vote Count

Jak - shaggy, pcm, cm5, vodean, Sam, greg
Vodean - lsu, Jak, ???
Greg - Saf, Fifth, jonty, sound, Vio, aage, jgordon, hensow
Hensow - Droz

Why aren't we pursuing Greg? We've got to be getting close to the deadline (Edocsil said 10 days from Sept. 30 + a small extension due to replacements) and I don't think we have time to continue throwing around theories on how the game has been set up. Let's finish what we started with Greg so we at least have something from this day. If we have time (and don't lynch Greg) then we can pursue another line.

[samgrossy]

While I can't agree totally with Sound's post, I do agree that we need to come to some sort of decision. But I think that we have reached a sort of consensus.

The interesting part is that this game is lynch by plurality not majority. Remember the push in D1 to make the vote count even so that there wouldn't be a lynch? So, right now Greg would be lynched regardless of the number of votes. At the very least there are 8 votes against greg which is close to a majority. It is also why I don't feel like I MUST change my vote from Jak to get a lynch.

We just have to be careful because scum could be lurking and at the last minute even up the vote count to prevent one of their own from getting lynched.

[safariguy5]

While I can't agree totally with Sound's post, I do agree that we need to come to some sort of decision. But I think that we have reached a sort of consensus.

The interesting part is that this game is lynch by plurality not majority. Remember the push in D1 to make the vote count even so that there wouldn't be a lynch? So, right now Greg would be lynched regardless of the number of votes. At the very least there are 8 votes against greg which is close to a majority. It is also why I don't feel like I MUST change my vote from Jak to get a lynch.

We just have to be careful because scum could be lurking and at the last minute even up the vote count to prevent one of their own from getting lynched.

True, but last minute vote manipulation would be putting a huge bullseye on themselves as well as basically confirming the guilt of the scumbuddy about to be lynched. High risk, pretty low reward strategy IMHO.

[Commander9]

I'm around midway through writing my post - but due to the fact that I have 2 tests today, 1 test + presentation + 12page homework tomorrow, I probably won't be post it until late Thursday/Friday.

[gregwolf121]

well in regard to my bandwagon, id like to thank all my loyal fans for voting for me but remind them that there isn't a prize this time, but seriously i don't see what more i can do other than claim, which id rather not, why cause it tells the scums who i am and what my role is, but as to my defence well some time ago, page wise page 29 roughly a week ago i posted it and what surprises me is that it was basically ignored, ill admit it was a wall of text, im not quoting it to save you all the pain of having to read it again, so if you still have an issue with my original offending post read it and respond to that and i shall respond to your responce, if not shame on you for bandwagoning one charged with bandwagoning.

ps i hope i spelled it all right if not go by the meaning of the post not the letter of the post

[edocsil]

24 hours till deadline. Few players asking to be replaced. VC will be added to this post shortly.

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Might be gone until Firday or Saturday, sorry.

[jonty125]

why cause it tells the scums who i am and what my role is,

Come on claim. If you're worthy to survive, we'll unvote and have doc save you tonight.

[nagerous]

vote gregwolf

impending deadline + lack of a better lead

[edocsil]

Jak (6) ~ shaggy, pcm, cm5, vodean, Sam, gregwolf
Vodean (3) ~ lsu, Jak, ???
Iliad (2) ~ /, Fifth
Hensow (1) ~ DRoZ
gregwolf (7) ~ Saf, jonty, soundman, violet, aage, JG, Nag

25 alive 13 to lynch. Player with the most votes will be hung.

[gregwolf121]

well looks like i gotta claim i am Saraqael, im an angel, as to my night action i can talk to any one person at night, but only for that night,

[jonty125]

SCUM!!

the Book of Enoch identifies Sariel (Saraqael) as one of the fallen host's "chiefs of tens."

for those of you not quite up to scratch with your Christianity. The fallen host is Satan, who was kicked out of heaven, with a third of the angels, who were his followers and are now called Demons.

[aage]

SCUM!!

the Book of Enoch identifies Sariel (Saraqael) as one of the fallen host's "chiefs of tens."

for those of you not quite up to scratch with your Christianity. The fallen host is Satan, who was kicked out of heaven, with a third of the angels, who were his followers and are now called Demons.

Oh wow. That almost sounds too easy, but I think I'm going to let my vote stay. The lead is good and a mislynch on an angel isn't disastrous, especially since the PR isn't very strong.

[nagerous]

well looks like i gotta claim i am Saraqael, im an angel, as to my night action i can talk to any one person at night, but only for that night,

Who did you speak to night one?

[DRoZ]

SCUM!!

the Book of Enoch identifies Sariel (Saraqael) as one of the fallen host's "chiefs of tens."

for those of you not quite up to scratch with your Christianity. The fallen host is Satan, who was kicked out of heaven, with a third of the angels, who were his followers and are now called Demons.

But remember the Book of Enoch is not considered canon in the vast majority of circles, and Enoch is the only book that speaks of Sariel as being one of the fallen to my knowledge. Everything else places him as one of the holy, so it could be possible that he is being genuine depending on where the background was lifted from, besides it would be pretty silly to use the same name that places him in the scum group as evidence of his townliness. As an aside, I could see fallen angels being a third party. There is also quite a bit of contention about whether fallen angels are demons or a second group altogether, perhaps the souls of nephilim. But that is all just questions on the background and tends to take away from investigating. All that being said, UNVOTE, VOTE GREG as I think it could clear up quite a bit on the background of the game and his night action is pretty weak. Although I would like to hear who and what was said on night one, might make his lynching a bit less attractive at this point.

[jak111]

I'm going to Unvote, and Vote Gregwolf (with both votes)

Either way I am happy to either catch scum or find out what an "Angel" is sided with. Either will be good for finding out what the game setup is like and what roles we have present. It may also test Edoc's theory and we may have a winner of which sort of book it's following.

[jak111]

EBWOP Jonty, not Edoc*

[samgrossy]

SCUM!!

the Book of Enoch identifies Sariel (Saraqael) as one of the fallen host's "chiefs of tens."

for those of you not quite up to scratch with your Christianity. The fallen host is Satan, who was kicked out of heaven, with a third of the angels, who were his followers and are now called Demons.

Oh wow. That almost sounds too easy, but I think I'm going to let my vote stay. The lead is good and a mislynch on an angel isn't disastrous, especially since the PR isn't very strong.

Aage... you imply that your vote is on someone other than Greg "... but i think i'm going to let my vote stay." Did you not know that you voted Greg, or are you implying something else or what? Normal I wouldn't question something that looks like a typo, but in my limited experience playing with you, you seem to always know what you are talking about.

Can you just clarify what you meant?

[DRoZ]

SCUM!!

the Book of Enoch identifies Sariel (Saraqael) as one of the fallen host's "chiefs of tens."

for those of you not quite up to scratch with your Christianity. The fallen host is Satan, who was kicked out of heaven, with a third of the angels, who were his followers and are now called Demons.

Oh wow. That almost sounds too easy, but I think I'm going to let my vote stay. The lead is good and a mislynch on an angel isn't disastrous, especially since the PR isn't very strong.

Aage... you imply that your vote is on someone other than Greg "... but i think i'm going to let my vote stay." Did you not know that you voted Greg, or are you implying something else or what? Normal I wouldn't question something that looks like a typo, but in my limited experience playing with you, you seem to always know what you are talking about.

Can you just clarify what you meant?

It sounds to me that he is saying he has some doubts because the accusal seems so cut and dry, the implication being that no one should make such an obvious slip. Yet through the doubts his vote remains on greg, justified by the lead and the consequences of being wrong would not be very disastrous since greg's power seems pretty weak.