Conquer Club

strike wolf wrote:He mentioned looking for a replacement for Victor at the beginning of day 4. Everywhere is not currently active. as much as I hate to say it, if we don't get replacements soon, you might need to start mod killing.

Finally found it strike,yep missed it at the end of scene and Rodion coming on board. That answers all the questions I had. Next!

Seems like chaps back. . .
will be interesting to see what he says

strike wolf wrote:I don't think LSU v 1.0 returning would tell you as much as you think Rodion. Though I would say his role would be more useful than Greg's.

Aage, I can buy most of your defense but I still don't like your claim about the archangel part. If you had suggested that he was killed most likely because he was an archangel that would have been one thing but you stated like it was matter of fact as if there was no other reason it could have been.

I think Vodean's answers to Safari's case against him was reasonable enough, though honestly the case that safari posted was quite weak. The case as a whole, admittedly I've been a bit stressed for time over the last week and was more focused on Aage. I'll review and come to a more complete conclusion. Though if I would say right now, my list of scummy acting people:

1. Aage-case has been stated.

2. Jgordon-People do seem to forget that unless the mod made a mistake (which isn't impossible as Edoc didn't fully confirm that he had or would have sent the message), he has to be scum.

3. Jonty: I can't list anything right now but he's been giving me a scum vibe for most of the game.

4. vodean: mostly what others have said. Like Jonty I would need to review before I could put something coherent down.

I'm sure there's more and that most of them listed are kind of obvious and have been mentioned before but without reviewing the thread those were the ones I remember standin out.

Fastposted: I don't think PMC and everywhere are active in mafia right now. Spiesr might be a good call if he's not busy. I believe Doom recently mentioned that he was focusing on fewer games due to less available time (though don't take my word for it).

Wait so since you have a guy feeling on jointy he's probably scum? O..Kay..?

I don't know man, but I think if chaps not back soon we will have to start drilling someone, probably jgord since he WAS the one who was pulling to get jak lynched the most. From what I've seen in past games, jak is seldom wrong. So I'm gonna FOS on JG until I hear from chap or more time passes and people make other accusations.

Well he was on for a small amount of time so that's why i thought he would at least post something, however it looks like he was very busy.

we cant spend all day waiting on chap we need to pick a direction and go

samgrossy"[quote="gregwolf121 wrote:well first off haven't been posting because i got swamped by college, but now that its calmed down a bit ill put in my two cents, from what i remember of my reading the biggest case, ie the most arguing is centered around jak, now i don't remember all the specific arguments but i would agree that jak your not always responding to them, it seems to me that you claim/reply enough to take the edge off the criticism but the root of the problem still exists, right now jak seems the scummiest to me.so i shall vote jak

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While my vote stays where it is, this is almost a bad enough post to cause me to change my vote because I don't want to be associated with it. UGH.

jgordon1111 wrote:Vote gregg For the badly put together post and failing logic behind it. Fos Sam G for making the statement he would leave his vote were it was,but didnt want to be associated with gregg's post (which automatically did associate him with it) and then after being informed Jak has full claimed trying to stay with that pressure. Why would you keep pressure with a deadline loming on someone who has claimed?
if he is lying it will out shortly.

But rather than to assist with Gregg you sidestep it.

Heres a weak case on Samgrossy, however I really haven't found anything else. I can follow JG's argument here, and seeing as I haven't found anything else and casewise we're almost back to D1 I think its a reasonable place to start in pressuring until something else comes up.
vote Samgrossy

rishaed wrote:

samgrossy wrote:

gregwolf121 wrote:well first off haven't been posting because i got swamped by college, but now that its calmed down a bit ill put in my two cents, from what i remember of my reading the biggest case, ie the most arguing is centered around jak, now i don't remember all the specific arguments but i would agree that jak your not always responding to them, it seems to me that you claim/reply enough to take the edge off the criticism but the root of the problem still exists, right now jak seems the scummiest to me.so i shall vote jak

While my vote stays where it is, this is almost a bad enough post to cause me to change my vote because I don't want to be associated with it. UGH.

jgordon1111 wrote:Vote gregg For the badly put together post and failing logic behind it. Fos Sam G for making the statement he would leave his vote were it was,but didnt want to be associated with gregg's post (which automatically did associate him with it) and then after being informed Jak has full claimed trying to stay with that pressure. Why would you keep pressure with a deadline loming on someone who has claimed?
if he is lying it will out shortly.

But rather than to assist with Gregg you sidestep it.

Heres a weak case on Samgrossy, however I really haven't found anything else. I can follow JG's argument here, and seeing as I haven't found anything else and casewise we're almost back to D1 I think its a reasonable place to start in pressuring until something else comes up.
vote Samgrossy

EBWOP

NoSurvivors wrote:

strike wolf wrote:I don't think LSU v 1.0 returning would tell you as much as you think Rodion. Though I would say his role would be more useful than Greg's.

Aage, I can buy most of your defense but I still don't like your claim about the archangel part. If you had suggested that he was killed most likely because he was an archangel that would have been one thing but you stated like it was matter of fact as if there was no other reason it could have been.

I think Vodean's answers to Safari's case against him was reasonable enough, though honestly the case that safari posted was quite weak. The case as a whole, admittedly I've been a bit stressed for time over the last week and was more focused on Aage. I'll review and come to a more complete conclusion. Though if I would say right now, my list of scummy acting people:

1. Aage-case has been stated.

2. Jgordon-People do seem to forget that unless the mod made a mistake (which isn't impossible as Edoc didn't fully confirm that he had or would have sent the message), he has to be scum.

3. Jonty: I can't list anything right now but he's been giving me a scum vibe for most of the game.

4. vodean: mostly what others have said. Like Jonty I would need to review before I could put something coherent down.

I'm sure there's more and that most of them listed are kind of obvious and have been mentioned before but without reviewing the thread those were the ones I remember standin out.

Fastposted: I don't think PMC and everywhere are active in mafia right now. Spiesr might be a good call if he's not busy. I believe Doom recently mentioned that he was focusing on fewer games due to less available time (though don't take my word for it).

Wait so since you have a guy feeling on jointy he's probably scum? O..Kay..?

I don't know man, but I think if chaps not back soon we will have to start drilling someone, probably jgord since he WAS the one who was pulling to get jak lynched the most. From what I've seen in past games, jak is seldom wrong. So I'm gonna FOS on JG until I hear from chap or more time passes and people make other accusations.

And the fact that chap has still not posted here and was online should speak volumes in itself. We have an extension from Edoc til the 26,lets get on with it.

If you say so.. VOTE JG

FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

rishaed wrote:FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

NoSurvivors wrote:

rishaed wrote:FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

I realize this,and stated my reasons why. Again from my side,I used my night action,got confirmation of my night action and Jak claimed he went after the wrong person(outside the game) he didnt have an extra vote,You telling me with all of the stuff prior to that if you were me,you wouldnt have went for him? LOL if you say no. Not my fault he was acting scummy and not paying attention to the game,and tried to steal a vote from outside the game. To me it sealed his fate. My mistake on lynching him,but his mistake for not paying attention to the game.

NoSurvivors wrote:

rishaed wrote:FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

I know, I understood, and that's why I didn't vote you. However just because I understand is a lazy excuse not to back up your vote other than with a one liner. At that moment in time it was just as bad as Gregwolf D2 who popped in and said ok, here's a nice case on jak, blah. blah. blah. BW vote! In the end it got him lynched, partially because after he claimed flavor was used against him to paint him scum. And yes i know that we need to go somewhere, its also why I posted a weak case on samgrossy. That's why I am at least happy that my FOS brought your argument to the table. Don't take it personal K?
fp'd by JG

rishaed wrote:

NoSurvivors wrote:

rishaed wrote:FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

I know, I understood, and that's why I didn't vote you. However just because I understand is a lazy excuse not to back up your vote other than with a one liner. At that moment in time it was just as bad as Gregwolf D2 who popped in and said ok, here's a nice case on jak, blah. blah. blah. BW vote! In the end it got him lynched, partially because after he claimed flavor was used against him to paint him scum. And yes i know that we need to go somewhere, its also why I posted a weak case on samgrossy. That's why I am at least happy that my FOS brought your argument to the table. Don't take it personal K?
fp'd by JG

Lol I don't take mafia personally xD. Just was wondering what the FOS was on.. but now its clear. Was a good move. I really should have stated and not been lazy..

jgordon1111 wrote:I realize this,and stated my reasons why. Again from my side,I used my night action,got confirmation of my night action and Jak claimed he went after the wrong person(outside the game) he didnt have an extra vote,You telling me with all of the stuff prior to that if you were me,you wouldnt have went for him? LOL if you say no. Not my fault he was acting scummy and not paying attention to the game,and tried to steal a vote from outside the game. To me it sealed his fate. My mistake on lynching him,but his mistake for not paying attention to the game.

I understand. If town decides its not best to lynch you (basically, if they believe you) AND get a better case, then I am all for it. But it is a waste IMO for us to let the scum have a free kill becasue that silencer is PROBABLY going to block chap again.

NoSurvivors wrote:

rishaed wrote:

NoSurvivors wrote:

rishaed wrote:FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

I know, I understood, and that's why I didn't vote you. However just because I understand is a lazy excuse not to back up your vote other than with a one liner. At that moment in time it was just as bad as Gregwolf D2 who popped in and said ok, here's a nice case on jak, blah. blah. blah. BW vote! In the end it got him lynched, partially because after he claimed flavor was used against him to paint him scum. And yes i know that we need to go somewhere, its also why I posted a weak case on samgrossy. That's why I am at least happy that my FOS brought your argument to the table. Don't take it personal K?
fp'd by JG

Lol I don't take mafia personally xD. Just was wondering what the FOS was on.. but now its clear. Was a good move. I really should have stated and not been lazy..

jgordon1111 wrote:I realize this,and stated my reasons why. Again from my side,I used my night action,got confirmation of my night action and Jak claimed he went after the wrong person(outside the game) he didnt have an extra vote,You telling me with all of the stuff prior to that if you were me,you wouldnt have went for him? LOL if you say no. Not my fault he was acting scummy and not paying attention to the game,and tried to steal a vote from outside the game. To me it sealed his fate. My mistake on lynching him,but his mistake for not paying attention to the game.

I understand. If town decides its not best to lynch you (basically, if they believe you) AND get a better case, then I am all for it. But it is a waste IMO for us to let the scum have a free kill becasue that silencer is PROBABLY going to block chap again.

Very true steps need to be taken to make sure if possible chap is not blocked again. I will Remind the Arch Angels in the game of a few specific things I have stated correctly that Mafia most likely wouldnt have even been able to guess at correctly. But that will only be good if The Arch Angels trust I didnt Make an astronomical guess at something and get it right. All it takes is one of them that has been confirmed to go back and read my claim and step up to say yep thats right. So on what evidence other than my mistake with Jaks bad game play here do you have NOS, And keep in mind you seemed sure he is USUALLY right but he made alot of mistakes in this game,He misread me from his own mistakes.

jgordon1111 wrote:Very true steps need to be taken to make sure if possible chap is not blocked again. I will Remind the Arch Angels in the game of a few specific things I have stated correctly that Mafia most likely wouldnt have even been able to guess at correctly. But that will only be good if The Arch Angels trust I didnt Make an astronomical guess at something and get it right. All it takes is one of them that has been confirmed to go back and read my claim and step up to say yep thats right. So on what evidence other than my mistake with Jaks bad game play here do you have NOS, And keep in mind you seemed sure he is USUALLY right but he made alot of mistakes in this game,He misread me from his own mistakes.

Alright, your defense is good enough for me. He did make a bunch of mistakes, and you aren't franticly to get me off your ass, so UNVOTE.

NoSurvivors wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Very true steps need to be taken to make sure if possible chap is not blocked again. I will Remind the Arch Angels in the game of a few specific things I have stated correctly that Mafia most likely wouldnt have even been able to guess at correctly. But that will only be good if The Arch Angels trust I didnt Make an astronomical guess at something and get it right. All it takes is one of them that has been confirmed to go back and read my claim and step up to say yep thats right. So on what evidence other than my mistake with Jaks bad game play here do you have NOS, And keep in mind you seemed sure he is USUALLY right but he made alot of mistakes in this game,He misread me from his own mistakes.

Alright, your defense is good enough for me. He did make a bunch of mistakes, and you aren't franticly to get me off your ass, so UNVOTE.

Nos, what i find interesting is that you say we need to lynch someone, and then proceed to vote someone we have already looked at (and decided not to lynch today). you seem to just be pining for a death.
FOS NoS

vodean wrote:

NoSurvivors wrote:

jgordon1111 wrote:Very true steps need to be taken to make sure if possible chap is not blocked again. I will Remind the Arch Angels in the game of a few specific things I have stated correctly that Mafia most likely wouldnt have even been able to guess at correctly. But that will only be good if The Arch Angels trust I didnt Make an astronomical guess at something and get it right. All it takes is one of them that has been confirmed to go back and read my claim and step up to say yep thats right. So on what evidence other than my mistake with Jaks bad game play here do you have NOS, And keep in mind you seemed sure he is USUALLY right but he made alot of mistakes in this game,He misread me from his own mistakes.

Alright, your defense is good enough for me. He did make a bunch of mistakes, and you aren't franticly to get me off your ass, so UNVOTE.

Nos, what i find interesting is that you say we need to lynch someone, and then proceed to vote someone we have already looked at (and decided not to lynch today). you seem to just be pining for a death.
FOS NoS

I actually agree with vodean for once. This comes off like you were just making a vote on him to see who would bite. Of course, you were hoping people would bite on the all-but-confirmed angel, soooo yeah, no points for that one. Either you're skimming like nuts (scummy), you're fishing for any old lynch (scummier), or you're goofing off (not as scummy, but particularly useless). Pick your poison, I don't like where that quick vote/unvote went.

NoSurvivors wrote:

strike wolf wrote:I don't think LSU v 1.0 returning would tell you as much as you think Rodion. Though I would say his role would be more useful than Greg's.

Aage, I can buy most of your defense but I still don't like your claim about the archangel part. If you had suggested that he was killed most likely because he was an archangel that would have been one thing but you stated like it was matter of fact as if there was no other reason it could have been.

I think Vodean's answers to Safari's case against him was reasonable enough, though honestly the case that safari posted was quite weak. The case as a whole, admittedly I've been a bit stressed for time over the last week and was more focused on Aage. I'll review and come to a more complete conclusion. Though if I would say right now, my list of scummy acting people:

1. Aage-case has been stated.

2. Jgordon-People do seem to forget that unless the mod made a mistake (which isn't impossible as Edoc didn't fully confirm that he had or would have sent the message), he has to be scum.

3. Jonty: I can't list anything right now but he's been giving me a scum vibe for most of the game.

4. vodean: mostly what others have said. Like Jonty I would need to review before I could put something coherent down.

I'm sure there's more and that most of them listed are kind of obvious and have been mentioned before but without reviewing the thread those were the ones I remember standin out.

Fastposted: I don't think PMC and everywhere are active in mafia right now. Spiesr might be a good call if he's not busy. I believe Doom recently mentioned that he was focusing on fewer games due to less available time (though don't take my word for it).

Wait so since you have a guy feeling on jointy he's probably scum? O..Kay..?

I don't know man, but I think if chaps not back soon we will have to start drilling someone, probably jgord since he WAS the one who was pulling to get jak lynched the most. From what I've seen in past games, jak is seldom wrong. So I'm gonna FOS on JG until I hear from chap or more time passes and people make other accusations.

I never said probably. I'm just laying down a list. I can't guarantee that I'll have time to properly review the game thread before day's end or that I'll live to see tomorrow. So I'm listing the people who have stood out to me. The list is admittedly incomplete as far as what I'd like to put on their but given where I stand right now I can't give much more towards that.

Honestly from what Edoc says it doesn't sound like Chap will have much to tell us even if he does come back. I think we're past the point of waiting for him. I'm still tempted to put my vote on Aage but really it doesn't appear that even if I do that people will vote him and I'd rather not waste my vote at this point on a case with no momentum. JG is actually the logical case as far as if we assume Edoc did not make a mistake, than we have to assume that JG is lying. The conundrum is that he does appear to have inside knowledge about angels (though I can't completely rule out that there are other more nefarious ways he could have come up with this, it's still fairly solid). Vodean is the case du jour. I don't feel too strongly about voting him from what I've read (I have reviewed some of his posts not all and not with complete context), however he's given me even less reason to try to help him.

I'm actually going to add Safari to my earlier list however. It seems he's trying to skate by so far and honestly I felt what little context he did put into his case on Vodean was weak and a bit misleading (claims fishing but not buying the argument for why as both subjects of the fishing were claimed) which strikes me as off for Safari.

Lol I tried to put a mild case on him because I thought ok so no better targets IMO. I did (though apparently I suck BALLS at it ) and he disproved me even in the gut feeling department because he's right, jak did eff up. If you'd like me to re vote (:roll:) I will but I thought either he would get jumpy or that it would urge someone who believes him to make a better case.

vote NoS For the flip-flopping and I think pcm summed it up well with this

pcm wrote:Either you're skimming like nuts (scummy), you're fishing for any old lynch (scummier), or you're goofing off (not as scummy, but particularly useless).

Well, while f*ck all is being done about anything, may as well vote me out. Might save you some trouble and give scum 2 free players. Sorry for tryin to help.

rishaed wrote:

rishaed wrote:

samgrossy wrote:

gregwolf121 wrote:well first off haven't been posting because i got swamped by college, but now that its calmed down a bit ill put in my two cents, from what i remember of my reading the biggest case, ie the most arguing is centered around jak, now i don't remember all the specific arguments but i would agree that jak your not always responding to them, it seems to me that you claim/reply enough to take the edge off the criticism but the root of the problem still exists, right now jak seems the scummiest to me.so i shall vote jak

While my vote stays where it is, this is almost a bad enough post to cause me to change my vote because I don't want to be associated with it. UGH.

jgordon1111 wrote:Vote gregg For the badly put together post and failing logic behind it. Fos Sam G for making the statement he would leave his vote were it was,but didnt want to be associated with gregg's post (which automatically did associate him with it) and then after being informed Jak has full claimed trying to stay with that pressure. Why would you keep pressure with a deadline loming on someone who has claimed?
if he is lying it will out shortly.

But rather than to assist with Gregg you sidestep it.

Heres a weak case on Samgrossy, however I really haven't found anything else. I can follow JG's argument here, and seeing as I haven't found anything else and casewise we're almost back to D1 I think its a reasonable place to start in pressuring until something else comes up.
vote Samgrossy

EBWOP

Okay - So I have been laying low since Sandy hit up the East Coast of the US. Not that I was hit, but I was busy nonetheless.

Rishaed - This is a weak argument. While you have said as much in the post, I think it would be bad form for me not to at least address it. I explained why I said what I said in a later post. But I give you credit for at least coming up with a little something of a case on someone, even if it is me.

Now, general comment to the non commitals. Please present a case. I can't stand it when players say "they have a feeling." I was prone to saying those things as well, but realized that there must have been a reason to me feeling the way I did, so I would go back, find it, and post it. It helps lend credence to arguments later on. Instead of saying "I know he's being scummy," if you give reasons from the thread, other players can than build off of those reasons.

In that same line, here is what I think we need to do. Because Chap is not going to participate today (for what ever reason) we would do well to assume that he will come back tomorrow. I think Rodion, however misguided, was trying to do the right thing by asking for a prod in him. Although Edoc was super clear that we should just move along. So I think there are only two choices as the deadline looms.

1) JG - His fervant accusal of Jak actaully makes his case (at least in my book) more townish. I, if you look back, was built a detailed case on Jak during D2. I think that Townies build cases in the way that JG did and then defend it. Where I think we differ in opinions is that he wasn't willing to listen to reason and back off. It seemed like he wasn't willing to accept no for an answer contrary to many players hesitant to support the case. This, to me, is pretty scummy. But then, why would he put himself out there if he were scum by adamantly advocating his lynch. So a strong town action and a strong scum action equate to me as a neutral feeling

2) VOTE VODEAN If you look at Vodean's posts, he has confirmed himself to be 3rd party. Why are we keeping 3rd party around? Look at his admission here. While he admits to being not town by saying he is "not anti-town" Come on people. Guilty, Guilty, Guilty.

NoSurvivors wrote:Well, while f*ck all is being done about anything, may as well vote me out. Might save you some trouble and give scum 2 free players. Sorry for tryin to help.

Except that your vote was the opposite of helpful in every way, as I already pointed out. So playing the martyr card here is worth about as much as your vote.

Sorry that I've been inactive for a while, finally got what needed to be done on weekends over with, so I'll have a bit more time to catch up from now on.

So Vodean has claimed to be Saint Paul of the Cross, third party commuter with random info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_of_the_Cross

The random info part could possibly fit with the visions it seems, the third party survivor part make absolutely, positively, no sense what so ever to me, how could Paul of the Cross win with Satan's Minions?

Yeah, I think vodean is a pretty good target, besides we need to narrow down he info we got until chap either comes back, or gets replaced.
Vote vode