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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby jonty125 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:36 am

unvote, vote vodean might as well give the trackers a chance to prove themselves, they'll get caught up in their lies eventually and I feel this is a worthy case for my vote.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2]

Postby new guy1 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:42 am

lord voldemort wrote:Vote Count 2.2

betiko (2)- edocsil, jak111
new guy1 (1)- jonty125
spiesr (3)- , DRoZ, betiko, Vodean
Gillipig (4)- Nendreel, LSU Josh, spiesr, ghostly447
jonty125 (1)- gregwolf121


Not Voting (10)- Nagerous, cm5, strike wolf, gillipig, Mr. Squirrel, ShaggyDan, Illiad, new guy1, /



Prods going out tonight as well. I think Illiad especially...anyone else specifically??
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This is the last count I found (I dont know why I didnt just sort by author :evil:), but I will say that if no votes are stollen and all of the votes are counted, then vodean should have around 3 votes, unless lovo decides he wants to count the votes in red, then it should be 6, which I will correct my vote so that there are 4 correctly placed votes... Vote vodean.

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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby vodean on Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:31 am

/ wrote:
vodean wrote:
jonty125 wrote:
edocsil wrote:Silence has more value then foolish posts.


I'd rather people to post foolish posts than not posting at all.

id appreciate it if people didnt make posts that are scummy beyond their meta

I would appreciate it if scum made scummy posts as often as possible, oh right, thanks vodean! ;)
Apart from my other reasons for thinking vodean is suspicious (Read back if you forgot...) I really think his last few posts alone are good for a vote, see it unfold in chronological order

vodean wrote:it is true that i didnt visit anyone, however im not sure that i want to believe his claim even now... a no visit would be quite likely N1, im guessing. CM5 would not really be able to accurately fake that claim, unless he and nag are coordinating (scumbuddies, etc.). im leaving my vote, and FOSing ghostly for trying to distract us with the following:
ghostly447 wrote:* ghostly's big post against Nendreel, see here if interested viewtopic.php?f=213&t=176208&p=3904013#p3903802

Ghostly, HOW DARE YOU MAKE CASES!?
this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit

vodean wrote:im believing gilli's claim less and less. i realize that he is inactive for a reason right now, but its just poor timing. also, the odds of there being two trackers is incredibly low. im not sure, but i think we might want to kill him to be sure... that sounds really scummy, but im exhausted and dont have the mental energy to put it nicely. otherwise, we need to move on to another case for today. anyone have one?


WHY WON'T ANYONE POST A CASE? oh wait, I'm still voting for spiesr, aren't I? And I fosed ghostly one page ago.... for posting a huge case, oh well, I don't see anything, let's just kill gillipig... not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.

vodean wrote:
spiesr wrote:So, I haven't weighed in for a while now, so I will drop by and post again. I am still in favor of lynching Gillipig today, and nothing that has been mentioned since then really changes anything. We also seem to be stalling out here, so maybe we need to just get it over with already?

Hey lord voldemort, what is the status of replacing Illiad and doing whatever with the other inactives?

scummariner. and hypocrite?


It is extremely hypocritical that someone who hasn't posted in 4 whole days wants someone who hasn't posted in three weeks replaced.i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.


Vote Vodean

I think we need to look at the people who jumped on the bandwagon without waiting to hear a defense, and without giving appropriate reasons.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby spiesr on Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:09 am

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/ wrote:It is extremely hypocritical that someone who hasn't posted in 4 whole days wants someone who hasn't posted in three weeks replaced.
i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.
You don't want anyone to be replaced? Not even Jak was has left the game or Illiad who hasn't posted in weeks? Or did you just not really think about what yours words meant when you wrote them?
vodean wrote:I think we need to look at the people who jumped on the bandwagon without waiting to hear a defense, and without giving appropriate reasons.
While I see that the speed with which things have turned is a bit surprising, are you sure you have to "appropriate" order of events correct? Isn't it supposed to go person makes a case, other people show their support, the person the case was pointed at makes their defense? Pointing your finger at people for voting for you before you make your response doesn't make any sense boy. If nobody is supporting an argument against you how much of a defense would really be required?
Anyhow, I thought you would know by now that launching a general accusation against those you voted for you doesn't really work in any sense. It certainly doesn't suffice as a substitute for a proper response.

All that said, I have mixed feelings about this case. Vodean definitely looks scummy right now, and most of his responses just make him look worse. In my past experience with him, Vodean tends drop quite a few, often fairly obvious, tells a scum. When you are his partner the game becomes a case of watching him incriminate himself and make associations with you and other scum-mates while you just have to watch and see how long it takes the town to pick up on it.
On the other hand, he also manages to do a commendable job of doing the exact same thing when he is playing as town.
So, I now have to wonder, how much of this case is just Vodean being Vodean, and how much could actually mean something.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby Mr. Squirrel on Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:09 pm

Sorry I've been quiet guys. I've had an outrageously busy weekend and I've got a few papers due this week. I will read up and post when I can.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby betiko on Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:56 pm

side note. can we please know if rishaed is in the game, and if he is know if he replaces iliad or jak?? what's the status for finding a replacement for the otherguy since somethingclever is in reserve. is he up for it?

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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby crazymilkshake5 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:11 pm

betiko wrote:side note. can we please know if rishaed is in the game, and if he is know if he replaces iliad or jak?? what's the status for finding a replacement for the otherguy since somethingclever is in reserve. is he up for it?

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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby gregwolf121 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:38 pm

by my unofficial and not doublechecked count vodean has around 7 votes now, so its interesting how quickly it grew, but i atribute that to the fact that the game had slowed down considerably, but i do agree that we need to wait for some kind of defense, cause the one post vodean made after the bandwagon started hasn't addressed anything really,

as for jak he needs to be prodded, and probably replaced, hes been quite active in the other game im in with him,

but i agree with betiko and crazy, waiting includes popcorn
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:14 am

Sorry guys cc has been down for me on my pc for last day or 2. Ive had sitters...but forgot to get someone in here to post. I will update with replacements and what not now...
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2]

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:30 am

Vote Count 2.3

betiko (2)- edocsil, jak111
spiesr (2)- DRoZ, Vodean
Gillipig (3)- LSU Josh, spiesr, gregwolf121
Nendreel (1)- ghostly447
Vodean (7)- /, strike wolf, ShaggyDan, gillipig, betiko, jonty125, new guy1

Not Voting (5)- Nagerous, cm5, Mr. Squirrel Illiad, Nendreel



Prods have gone to Nagerous, Illiad, cm5 and edocsil. Consider Jak not apart of the game. Should have a replacement for him within the day.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Deadline set

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:43 pm

rishaed is replacing jak111 effective immediately.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Deadline set

Postby rishaed on Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:02 pm

lord voldemort wrote:rishaed is replacing jak111 effective immediately.

As LoVo said i'm replacing Jak111 in this game. First things first i want to unvote Vote Speisr, while Vodeans case isn't really all that great (he's suspicious because his lack of defence) Im not at all impressed with Speisr's track record either. If he's been rolefishing like betiko says than hes done a pretty good job. Because of Speisr we've already outed 1 confirmed tracker, 1 claimed tracker, a busdriver, 1 (claimed by speisr) bomb (I believe betiko though), + nag with an unknown night role. All the while he's be putting pressure on others while sidestepping betiko's accusations. I think either its time for a decent defense of why.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Deadline set

Postby rishaed on Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:50 pm

Plus im almost sure that there is a high chance that Gilli is a 3rd Party tracker, if he's telling the truth (we'll find out tommorow).

/ wrote:One think about the character Ra's al Ghul, does anyone who has played the game think he's likely to be "town" regardless of role?

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This makes me think that his extra role/power based on what / said could be a kill function or something similar. It possible though however that LoVo decided something completely different, but that's what I would consider thinking from a mod's point of view.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Deadline set

Postby Gillipig on Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:54 pm

Vodean, we're waiting for your grand speech!
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Deadline set

Postby edocsil on Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:30 pm

Been proded. No point in saying anything atm. Just waiting for vode.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Deadline set

Postby betiko on Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:20 pm

vodean's post just up here is the last one he wrote on the entire site, so less suspicious than i thought. glad to see rishaed finds spiesr fishy as well! ;)
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby vodean on Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:29 pm

vodean wrote:
/ wrote:
vodean wrote:
jonty125 wrote:
edocsil wrote:Silence has more value then foolish posts.


I'd rather people to post foolish posts than not posting at all.

id appreciate it if people didnt make posts that are scummy beyond their meta

I would appreciate it if scum made scummy posts as often as possible, oh right, thanks vodean! ;)
Apart from my other reasons for thinking vodean is suspicious (Read back if you forgot...) I really think his last few posts alone are good for a vote, see it unfold in chronological order

vodean wrote:it is true that i didnt visit anyone, however im not sure that i want to believe his claim even now... a no visit would be quite likely N1, im guessing. CM5 would not really be able to accurately fake that claim, unless he and nag are coordinating (scumbuddies, etc.). im leaving my vote, and FOSing ghostly for trying to distract us with the following:
ghostly447 wrote:* ghostly's big post against Nendreel, see here if interested viewtopic.php?f=213&t=176208&p=3904013#p3903802

Ghostly, HOW DARE YOU MAKE CASES!?
this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit

vodean wrote:im believing gilli's claim less and less. i realize that he is inactive for a reason right now, but its just poor timing. also, the odds of there being two trackers is incredibly low. im not sure, but i think we might want to kill him to be sure... that sounds really scummy, but im exhausted and dont have the mental energy to put it nicely. otherwise, we need to move on to another case for today. anyone have one?


WHY WON'T ANYONE POST A CASE? oh wait, I'm still voting for spiesr, aren't I? And I fosed ghostly one page ago.... for posting a huge case, oh well, I don't see anything, let's just kill gillipig... not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.

vodean wrote:
spiesr wrote:So, I haven't weighed in for a while now, so I will drop by and post again. I am still in favor of lynching Gillipig today, and nothing that has been mentioned since then really changes anything. We also seem to be stalling out here, so maybe we need to just get it over with already?

Hey lord voldemort, what is the status of replacing Illiad and doing whatever with the other inactives?

scummariner. and hypocrite?


It is extremely hypocritical that someone who hasn't posted in 4 whole days wants someone who hasn't posted in three weeks replaced.i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.


Vote Vodean

I think we need to look at the people who jumped on the bandwagon without waiting to hear a defense, and without giving appropriate reasons.

what im saying is that there is really nothing in the case. you guys need to stop skimming. read the red text
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby / on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:16 pm

vodean wrote:this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit
What was wrong with posting the case at that particular time in your opinion?

vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.

.... You specifically said
vodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...

I don't see any way to interperate that as not wanting him lynched

vodean wrote:i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.[/color]
could you explain what was hypocritical about the post then?
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby vodean on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:25 pm

/ wrote:
vodean wrote:this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit
What was wrong with posting the case at that particular time in your opinion?

vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.

.... You specifically said
vodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...

I don't see any way to interperate that as not wanting him lynched

vodean wrote:i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.[/color]
could you explain what was hypocritical about the post then?

im not sure i follow... what are you doing with the colors? could you elaborate? my post? in the red parts?
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby / on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:46 pm

sorry, I messed up the quotes slightly, I was commenting on your rebuttals

vodean wrote:this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit

What was wrong with posting the case at that particular time in your opinion? You asked for cases hardly a page later.

vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.

.... You specifically said
vodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...

I don't see any way to interperate that as not wanting him lynched.

vodean wrote:i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.
Could you explain what was hypocritical about the post then?
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Deadline set

Postby spiesr on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:53 pm

rishaed wrote:Plus im almost sure that there is a high chance that Gilli is a 3rd Party tracker, if he's telling the truth (we'll find out tommorow).
If he is a third party why hasn't he made it explicit? If he was a sort of third party that could coexist with the town (as in having a win condition that doesn't conflict with the town win condition) there would be no reason for him not to have mentioned it. Since he hasn't I am left to assume that one of two things must be true. Either he is telling the truth, which I doubt, or he is some sort of anti-town role.
vodean wrote:what im saying is that there is really nothing in the case. you guys need to stop skimming. read the red text
And what all the people voting for you appear to be saying is that this isn't sufficient. More is needed from you. If you can't, quickly, make your next post have a more thorough and convincing response you are probably going to have to claim.
rishaed wrote:Because of Speisr we've already outed 1 confirmed tracker, 1 claimed tracker, a busdriver, 1 (claimed by speisr) bomb (I believe betiko though), + nag with an unknown night role.
I don't think naming me as a primary cause of all of that is truly an accurate representation of events. For starters Crazy revealed himself because he thought he had found evidence that Betiko was lying, and what he initially said on the matter was enough to make his role obvious. The bit about nagerous is a direct result of that, and I am of the opinion that knowing that nagerous has a night action doesn't make much a of difference in a power heavy game like this one. For the others you are at least correct that I was involved in the chain of events that led to those claims. You can disagree with who or why I chose to pressure, but I don't know how much fault can find in the fact that I did it. People have to be pressured and cases made/pursued. This inevitably leads to people claiming. Often times those people may be innocent. This may not be an ideal strategy, but it's kind of the best one we've got. Also, I still feel that the busdriver revealing his action in that situation was the right thing to do.
rishaed wrote:All the while he's be putting pressure on others
If you wish to slow down the rate of claims/day perhaps you should consider lynching the "worst" of the claims.
rishaed wrote:while sidestepping betiko's accusations.
If there is a specific point of Betiko's that you would like me to respond to please highlight it for me.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby vodean on Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:48 am

/ wrote:sorry, I messed up the quotes slightly, I was commenting on your rebuttals

vodean wrote:this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit

What was wrong with posting the case at that particular time in your opinion? You asked for cases hardly a page later.

vodean wrote:not true at all, considering my vote isnt even on gillipig. im not believing gilli, but dont want him lynched today. what you guys have been saying about wanting to test the trackers, i have said all along.

.... You specifically said
vodean wrote:i think we might want to kill him to be sure...

I don't see any way to interperate that as not wanting him lynched.

vodean wrote:i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.
Could you explain what was hypocritical about the post then?

i feel as though i have responded to this sufficiently. im not scum, and im not outside of my meta. im still not sure what you think i should be saying is hypocrtical... me or someone else.

spiesr, if you have other points or parts of the case, bring them up please.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Deadline set

Postby rishaed on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:19 am

spiesr wrote:
rishaed wrote:Plus im almost sure that there is a high chance that Gilli is a 3rd Party tracker, if he's telling the truth (we'll find out tommorow).
If he is a third party why hasn't he made it explicit? If he was a sort of third party that could coexist with the town (as in having a win condition that doesn't conflict with the town win condition) there would be no reason for him not to have mentioned it. Since he hasn't I am left to assume that one of two things must be true. Either he is telling the truth, which I doubt, or he is some sort of anti-town role.


my thoughts here are what is possible not what is explicit, as see as such he may have let the 3rd party go because as of this point 3rd party is only hypothetical because we haven't explicitly outed any and it keeps scum in the dark about that. :roll:

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vodean wrote:what im saying is that there is really nothing in the case. you guys need to stop skimming. read the red text
And what all the people voting for you appear to be saying is that this isn't sufficient. More is needed from you. If you can't, quickly, make your next post have a more thorough and convincing response you are probably going to have to claim.


Starting to rolefish/pressure again?? I really would like one more night scene to gather information from, because if hes a power role then the chances of being protected are really low. The scum already have a rich choice of targets to hit with the odds in their favor that they are going to succeed. Why add more for the night? However if you think that vodean is acting scummy, and want to keep pressuring him then I also understand why.

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rishaed wrote:Because of Speisr we've already outed 1 confirmed tracker, 1 claimed tracker, a busdriver, 1 (claimed by speisr) bomb (I believe betiko though), + nag with an unknown night role.
I don't think naming me as a primary cause of all of that is truly an accurate representation of events. For starters Crazy revealed himself because he thought he had found evidence that Betiko was lying, and what he initially said on the matter was enough to make his role obvious. The bit about nagerous is a direct result of that, and I am of the opinion that knowing that nagerous has a night action doesn't make much a of difference in a power heavy game like this one. For the others you are at least correct that I was involved in the chain of events that led to those claims. You can disagree with who or why I chose to pressure, but I don't know how much fault can find in the fact that I did it. People have to be pressured and cases made/pursued. This inevitably leads to people claiming. Often times those people may be innocent. This may not be an ideal strategy, but it's kind of the best one we've got. Also, I still feel that the busdriver revealing his action in that situation was the right thing to do.
rishaed wrote:All the while he's be putting pressure on others
If you wish to slow down the rate of claims/day perhaps you should consider lynching the "worst" of the claims.
rishaed wrote:while sidestepping betiko's accusations.
If there is a specific point of Betiko's that you would like me to respond to please highlight it for me.


What you say about crazy is true, however you were directly involved in betiko's outing, (obviously unwittingly outing Crazy). The suggestion in the lynching is noted, and I am assuming indirectly the case on Vodean is what you'd like me to vote in. However i could just be twisting words.
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby edocsil on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:05 am

vodean wrote:i feel as though i have responded to this sufficiently. im not scum, and im not outside of my meta. im still not sure what you think i should be saying is hypocrtical... me or someone else.

spiesr, if you have other points or parts of the case, bring them up please.


Several inconsistencies have been pointed out in your defense, and a few outright lies. Is this really a good established meta to have?
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Re: Batman : Arkham City [Day 2] Dr. Strange is gone

Postby jonty125 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:17 am

vodean wrote:Ghostly, HOW DARE YOU MAKE CASES!?
this is saying, ghostly, dont present this case right now, and i dont see it as having much merit


There is nothing wrong with posting a case, and if he posts a weak case, then well he gets lynched die using poor logic.
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