Conquer Club

f*ck. sorry guys.

vodean wrote:f*ck. sorry guys.

who are you talking to?

betiko wrote:

vodean wrote:f*ck. sorry guys.

who are you talking to?

mostly you. also nagerous, ghostly, lovo, strikewolf, spiesr, and NG1.
you were my scumbuddies, and i failed you. sorry.

vodean wrote:

betiko wrote:

vodean wrote:f*ck. sorry guys.

who are you talking to?

mostly you. also nagerous, ghostly, lovo, strikewolf, spiesr, and NG1.
you were my scumbuddies, and i failed you. sorry.

even dead you give us hints thanks! I give 100% chances that you mixed scumbuddies and townies in your list, in which i can remove the mod and myself.
I'm sure at least one of these 5 is scum

I love how he threw both my brother and I into the mix . Im honored to be recognized as... wait, these arent awards? lol

Seriously guys?? Both of you are experienced!
[quote=lordvoldemort]11. Once your death scene has been posted, it's over for you. You can no longer post anything related to the game. Whining is alright, **Voices from beyond the grave** are alright, as long as nothing of substance is revealed. This means you can post something like "Damn you mafia!" or "Oh well. Go town!" but you cannot post and add to the discussion. This is a serious offence.[/quote]
Vodean's 1st post is quite within this rule however due to Betiko's fishing (seriously he's dead!!) Because of that Vod's next post is not within Rule 11. . .which could effect the game in one way or another. I am going to try to ignore it as much as possible.
and thus i break Rule 13 to post this. . . (as well as a few others). Sry LoVo i'll let you be the mod from now on.
[quote=lordvoldemort]13. Night talk is not allowed at all. No need for it...keep the thread clean. [/quote]

rishaed wrote:Seriously guys?? Both of you are experienced!
[quote= "lordvoldemort"]11. Once your death scene has been posted, it's over for you. You can no longer post anything related to the game. Whining is alright, **Voices from beyond the grave** are alright, as long as nothing of substance is revealed. This means you can post something like "Damn you mafia!" or "Oh well. Go town!" but you cannot post and add to the discussion. This is a serious offence.

Vodean's 1st post is quite within this rule however due to Betiko's fishing (seriously he's dead!!) Because of that Vod's next post is not within Rule 11. . .which could effect the game in one way or another. I am going to try to ignore it as much as possible.
and thus i break Rule 13 to post this. . . (as well as a few others). Sry LoVo i'll let you be the mod from now on.
[quote= "lordvoldemort"]13. Night talk is not allowed at all. No need for it...keep the thread clean. [/quote][/quote]
EBWOP

Wtf. Really? Are you an actual complete idiot vodean??

is night scene coming up soon?

Yeah. Just woke up...Just going through it all now. Should be out soon

And so the infighting begins. It had to be expected when they set up Arkham City. All these career criminals stuck in one place. With batman and his team on the prowl. How could shit not hit the fan. So much reckless hate filled the streets with blood on this night.

dRoz - Mayor Quincy Sharp (governor) has been brutally murdered.
Gillipig - Ra's al Ghul (JOAT) Has been shot in the face.
jonty125 - Has wound up dead. No one having any idea who he is or what he did.

With 16 now alive. It takes 9 to lynch. You have a deadline of 10 days.

..... hmmm that sucks
And we have a janitor type role out there...
Flavor is interesting; none of the kills seem batman-esque (in that they are kills). It seems also that we have two more kills than yesterday.

To Mr. S:

Who did you bus last night?

So Vodean really had gone nowhere night 1 I guess. Gillipig's death was likely a Vigilante and my first guess for the third murder would be Zsasz.

I'm not going to read into the Vodean comment, as a dead player he shouldn't have said it and considering I already know myself to be a town member and he included Lovo in the list...yeah...I'm going to assume it was a bad joke.

lord voldemort wrote:Gillipig - Ra's al Ghul (JOAT) Has been shot in the face.

Damn it, if you had just claimed JOAT we could have avoided wasting so much time on you yesterday and potentially better deployed or actions last night.

betiko wrote:

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And thus we have a perfect example of why rules need to be followed and why Vodean should be blacklisted.

strike wolf wrote:So Vodean really had gone nowhere night 1 I guess.

Which raises the question of why a scum roleblocker would ever not go anywhere.

Either he actually ran out of time because of inactivity or he himself was blocked. At least those are the only two scenarios that occur to me.

strike wolf wrote:Either he actually ran out of time because of inactivity or he himself was blocked. At least those are the only two scenarios that occur to me.

Those two scenarios are the ones that make sense. Anyone have any information we can go off of, I guess should be my first question? Also, I would also like to add that I believe Vodean's post was a bad joke, and that Im a little ticked that he posted it as it just adds so much wifom to the game . Thats pretty much all I have to add for now.

spiesr wrote:

vodean wrote:

/ wrote:It is extremely hypocritical that someone who hasn't posted in 4 whole days wants someone who hasn't posted in three weeks replaced.

i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.

You don't want anyone to be replaced? Not even Jak was has left the game or Illiad who hasn't posted in weeks? Or did you just not really think about what yours words meant when you wrote them?

vodean wrote:I think we need to look at the people who jumped on the bandwagon without waiting to hear a defense, and without giving appropriate reasons.

While I see that the speed with which things have turned is a bit surprising, are you sure you have to "appropriate" order of events correct? Isn't it supposed to go person makes a case, other people show their support, the person the case was pointed at makes their defense? Pointing your finger at people for voting for you before you make your response doesn't make any sense boy. If nobody is supporting an argument against you how much of a defense would really be required?
Anyhow, I thought you would know by now that launching a general accusation against those you voted for you doesn't really work in any sense. It certainly doesn't suffice as a substitute for a proper response.

All that said, I have mixed feelings about this case. Vodean definitely looks scummy right now, and most of his responses just make him look worse. In my past experience with him, Vodean tends drop quite a few, often fairly obvious, tells a scum. When you are his partner the game becomes a case of watching him incriminate himself and make associations with you and other scum-mates while you just have to watch and see how long it takes the town to pick up on it.
On the other hand, he also manages to do a commendable job of doing the exact same thing when he is playing as town.
So, I now have to wonder, how much of this case is just Vodean being Vodean, and how much could actually mean something.

I think that spiesr was fed up with his scumbuddy vodean yesterday. I believe he decided, for mafia's own good, to be an instigator of his death.

betiko wrote:

spiesr wrote:

betiko wrote:so he go lynched without even claiming? that sucks. i think he was VT. thought he would claim and fight a little..

I am curious as to what led you to this conclusion.

it's just probable that he has no night action as gillipig suggests, and if he isn't scum that would give good chances for vt, it was my original thought on him let's see.

what were you thinking at that point before the result spiesr?


vote spiesr

Regarding the rest, sorry but i don't catch too much the jonty theme... Is that a role that transforms in another role and he will be back further in the game?
gillipig... I don't know, i really had a non scum vibe about him at some point. I think the whole wifom between me squirrel and crazy made the mafia not take too much risks.

but what do you guys think, which one killed droz which one killed gillipig? sk or mafia?
i hope our vigilante didn't do something that stupid as to kill one of these 2.

sorry in my previous post i quoted spiesr in red and just noticed that in the quoted post he wrote something in red before as well... the only thing i was underlining is the second paragraph.

Need a replacement for Shaggydan

Why would Gillipig be a bad kill? He had been connected with Vodean and with Vodean coming back mafia role blocker there was reasonable amount of evidence to assume that Gillipig had lied about his tracking action especially when there was already another tracker claim on the table. Seems like a fairly good vig kill to me.

strike wolf wrote:Why would Gillipig be a bad kill? He had been connected with Vodean and with Vodean coming back mafia role blocker there was reasonable amount of evidence to assume that Gillipig had lied about his tracking action especially when there was already another tracker claim on the table. Seems like a fairly good vig kill to me.

because gillipig promised some confessions today. we would ve had an extra info from his night actions in case he turned out town, even if we had decided to lynch him today. vig killing him could add nothing because after vodean turned out scum gillipig would ve definitely become town's number one suspect today and we were going to learn something!

betiko wrote:gillipig... I don't know, i really had a non scum vibe about him at some point. I think the whole wifom between me squirrel and crazy made the mafia not take too much risks.

but what do you guys think, which one killed droz which one killed gillipig? sk or mafia?
i hope our vigilante didn't do something that stupid as to kill one of these 2.

In my opinion, there was enough doubt in Gillipig's claim that after Vodean popped as a role that should have gone somewhere Night 1 a vigilante would have been justified in killing him.

betiko wrote:

betiko wrote:

spiesr wrote:

betiko wrote:so he go lynched without even claiming? that sucks. i think he was VT. thought he would claim and fight a little..

I am curious as to what led you to this conclusion.

it's just probable that he has no night action as gillipig suggests, and if he isn't scum that would give good chances for vt, it was my original thought on him let's see.

what were you thinking at that point before the result spiesr?

At that point in time we didn't have much to go in regards to Vodean's role beyond that he didn't go anywhere night 1. While night actions are kind of the default for power roles, there are plenty of roles of all alignments that could have not gone anywhere. Basically I really had know idea what his role might be and was curious as to how you had as much confidence in your thoughts about his role as you did. I haven't seen any evidence of VT's being in this game and thought it odd that you jumped to that conclusion.

spiesr wrote:

betiko wrote:gillipig... I don't know, i really had a non scum vibe about him at some point. I think the whole wifom between me squirrel and crazy made the mafia not take too much risks.

but what do you guys think, which one killed droz which one killed gillipig? sk or mafia?
i hope our vigilante didn't do something that stupid as to kill one of these 2.

In my opinion, there was enough doubt in Gillipig's claim that after Vodean popped as a role that should have gone somewhere Night 1 a vigilante would have been justified in killing him.

betiko wrote:

betiko wrote:

spiesr wrote:

betiko wrote:so he go lynched without even claiming? that sucks. i think he was VT. thought he would claim and fight a little..

I am curious as to what led you to this conclusion.

it's just probable that he has no night action as gillipig suggests, and if he isn't scum that would give good chances for vt, it was my original thought on him let's see.

what were you thinking at that point before the result spiesr?

At that point in time we didn't have much to go in regards to Vodean's role beyond that he didn't go anywhere night 1. While night actions are kind of the default for power roles, there are plenty of roles of all alignments that could have not gone anywhere. Basically I really had know idea what his role might be and was curious as to how you had as much confidence in your thoughts about his role as you did. I haven't seen any evidence of VT's being in this game and thought it odd that you jumped to that conclusion.

I didn't express confidnce in him being vt my thought was that if he turned out town he would most likely be a vt more than a power role. And to tell the truth at that point i wasn't really sure we caught a scum, vodean being vodean and scumtells meaning very little when it comes from him. i know that not all powerroles have night actions, as it's in fact my case.

now regarding what you said earlier spiesr; vodean being a proved scum, and after what you said on how he usually links himself with his scumbuddies; what anaysis would you do on vodean's suspect relationships towards others? i'll have a reread but your post was the first thing i thoughtof when he turned out scum.