Conquer Club

lord voldemort wrote:Gillipig - Ra's al Ghul (JOAT) Has been shot in the face.

Damn it, if you had just claimed JOAT we could have avoided wasting so much time on you yesterday and potentially better deployed or actions last night.

betiko wrote:

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And thus we have a perfect example of why rules need to be followed and why Vodean should be blacklisted.

strike wolf wrote:So Vodean really had gone nowhere night 1 I guess.

Which raises the question of why a scum roleblocker would ever not go anywhere.

Either he actually ran out of time because of inactivity or he himself was blocked. At least those are the only two scenarios that occur to me.

strike wolf wrote:Either he actually ran out of time because of inactivity or he himself was blocked. At least those are the only two scenarios that occur to me.

Those two scenarios are the ones that make sense. Anyone have any information we can go off of, I guess should be my first question? Also, I would also like to add that I believe Vodean's post was a bad joke, and that Im a little ticked that he posted it as it just adds so much wifom to the game . Thats pretty much all I have to add for now.

spiesr wrote:

vodean wrote:

/ wrote:It is extremely hypocritical that someone who hasn't posted in 4 whole days wants someone who hasn't posted in three weeks replaced.

i dont want anyone replaced... i am just pointing out something that the target of my pressure has said.

You don't want anyone to be replaced? Not even Jak was has left the game or Illiad who hasn't posted in weeks? Or did you just not really think about what yours words meant when you wrote them?

vodean wrote:I think we need to look at the people who jumped on the bandwagon without waiting to hear a defense, and without giving appropriate reasons.

While I see that the speed with which things have turned is a bit surprising, are you sure you have to "appropriate" order of events correct? Isn't it supposed to go person makes a case, other people show their support, the person the case was pointed at makes their defense? Pointing your finger at people for voting for you before you make your response doesn't make any sense boy. If nobody is supporting an argument against you how much of a defense would really be required?
Anyhow, I thought you would know by now that launching a general accusation against those you voted for you doesn't really work in any sense. It certainly doesn't suffice as a substitute for a proper response.

All that said, I have mixed feelings about this case. Vodean definitely looks scummy right now, and most of his responses just make him look worse. In my past experience with him, Vodean tends drop quite a few, often fairly obvious, tells a scum. When you are his partner the game becomes a case of watching him incriminate himself and make associations with you and other scum-mates while you just have to watch and see how long it takes the town to pick up on it.
On the other hand, he also manages to do a commendable job of doing the exact same thing when he is playing as town.
So, I now have to wonder, how much of this case is just Vodean being Vodean, and how much could actually mean something.

I think that spiesr was fed up with his scumbuddy vodean yesterday. I believe he decided, for mafia's own good, to be an instigator of his death.

betiko wrote:

spiesr wrote:

betiko wrote:so he go lynched without even claiming? that sucks. i think he was VT. thought he would claim and fight a little..

I am curious as to what led you to this conclusion.

it's just probable that he has no night action as gillipig suggests, and if he isn't scum that would give good chances for vt, it was my original thought on him let's see.

what were you thinking at that point before the result spiesr?


vote spiesr

Regarding the rest, sorry but i don't catch too much the jonty theme... Is that a role that transforms in another role and he will be back further in the game?
gillipig... I don't know, i really had a non scum vibe about him at some point. I think the whole wifom between me squirrel and crazy made the mafia not take too much risks.

but what do you guys think, which one killed droz which one killed gillipig? sk or mafia?
i hope our vigilante didn't do something that stupid as to kill one of these 2.

sorry in my previous post i quoted spiesr in red and just noticed that in the quoted post he wrote something in red before as well... the only thing i was underlining is the second paragraph.

Need a replacement for Shaggydan

Why would Gillipig be a bad kill? He had been connected with Vodean and with Vodean coming back mafia role blocker there was reasonable amount of evidence to assume that Gillipig had lied about his tracking action especially when there was already another tracker claim on the table. Seems like a fairly good vig kill to me.

strike wolf wrote:Why would Gillipig be a bad kill? He had been connected with Vodean and with Vodean coming back mafia role blocker there was reasonable amount of evidence to assume that Gillipig had lied about his tracking action especially when there was already another tracker claim on the table. Seems like a fairly good vig kill to me.

because gillipig promised some confessions today. we would ve had an extra info from his night actions in case he turned out town, even if we had decided to lynch him today. vig killing him could add nothing because after vodean turned out scum gillipig would ve definitely become town's number one suspect today and we were going to learn something!

betiko wrote:gillipig... I don't know, i really had a non scum vibe about him at some point. I think the whole wifom between me squirrel and crazy made the mafia not take too much risks.

but what do you guys think, which one killed droz which one killed gillipig? sk or mafia?
i hope our vigilante didn't do something that stupid as to kill one of these 2.

In my opinion, there was enough doubt in Gillipig's claim that after Vodean popped as a role that should have gone somewhere Night 1 a vigilante would have been justified in killing him.

betiko wrote:

betiko wrote:

spiesr wrote:

betiko wrote:so he go lynched without even claiming? that sucks. i think he was VT. thought he would claim and fight a little..

I am curious as to what led you to this conclusion.

it's just probable that he has no night action as gillipig suggests, and if he isn't scum that would give good chances for vt, it was my original thought on him let's see.

what were you thinking at that point before the result spiesr?

At that point in time we didn't have much to go in regards to Vodean's role beyond that he didn't go anywhere night 1. While night actions are kind of the default for power roles, there are plenty of roles of all alignments that could have not gone anywhere. Basically I really had know idea what his role might be and was curious as to how you had as much confidence in your thoughts about his role as you did. I haven't seen any evidence of VT's being in this game and thought it odd that you jumped to that conclusion.

spiesr wrote:

betiko wrote:gillipig... I don't know, i really had a non scum vibe about him at some point. I think the whole wifom between me squirrel and crazy made the mafia not take too much risks.

but what do you guys think, which one killed droz which one killed gillipig? sk or mafia?
i hope our vigilante didn't do something that stupid as to kill one of these 2.

In my opinion, there was enough doubt in Gillipig's claim that after Vodean popped as a role that should have gone somewhere Night 1 a vigilante would have been justified in killing him.

betiko wrote:

betiko wrote:

spiesr wrote:

betiko wrote:so he go lynched without even claiming? that sucks. i think he was VT. thought he would claim and fight a little..

I am curious as to what led you to this conclusion.

it's just probable that he has no night action as gillipig suggests, and if he isn't scum that would give good chances for vt, it was my original thought on him let's see.

what were you thinking at that point before the result spiesr?

At that point in time we didn't have much to go in regards to Vodean's role beyond that he didn't go anywhere night 1. While night actions are kind of the default for power roles, there are plenty of roles of all alignments that could have not gone anywhere. Basically I really had know idea what his role might be and was curious as to how you had as much confidence in your thoughts about his role as you did. I haven't seen any evidence of VT's being in this game and thought it odd that you jumped to that conclusion.

I didn't express confidnce in him being vt my thought was that if he turned out town he would most likely be a vt more than a power role. And to tell the truth at that point i wasn't really sure we caught a scum, vodean being vodean and scumtells meaning very little when it comes from him. i know that not all powerroles have night actions, as it's in fact my case.

now regarding what you said earlier spiesr; vodean being a proved scum, and after what you said on how he usually links himself with his scumbuddies; what anaysis would you do on vodean's suspect relationships towards others? i'll have a reread but your post was the first thing i thoughtof when he turned out scum.

Damn, I'm going to have to claim responsibility for the DroZ death.

I'm Two Face, a town cop. However, after rereading my role PM more carefully, I finally understand the mechanic. Every night, I choose a target. As is true of my character, I flip a coin. Half the time, I investigate them. Half the time, I kill them. This must have been one of the times I killed them.

Now, since I replaced, my Night 1 result was an investigation on nagerous and that came back guilty.

Given that half the time, my role is a killing role, I think I would be extremely underpowered if I was also paranoid/insane. And if we want to talk flavor, the Harvey Dent side of Two Face has been shown to be a good person, at least in the comics. I had originally assumed that the warning in my PM about 50% being bad would be that the 50% would give me a bad investigation. But now I see it's a 50% vig kill.

Therefore, I assume my investigation side of things is true.

vote nagerous

jak111 wrote:Didn't bus Betiko with anybody.

Vote Betiko I have a feeling he's scum, but till anyone claims a bus, I'm leaving my vote here.
1.) Don't wanna be last on bomb if he IS bomb and tracker is lying.
2.) Might as well get ready to lynch if tracker is not.

My concern with your claim saf is this. that's jak's last post, and it was day 2. day 1 he was all over me, and day 2 he posted only 1 thing, this and he was still on me. Jak has been playing all his other mafia games and dropped this one. I don't really know in which other mafia games he's in but i think it would be strange to drop completely this one. He got in a pretty exciting position if he investigated on day 1 and got a guilty result... unfortunately his post was the one just before squirel claimed bus, and we learned that crazy visited nagerous instead of me... would ve been interesting to see how he would ve pressured him.

other than this everything seems to fit pretty well...

Wow lots of people dead this night. Good luck town, may batman burn in hell!!

Vote Nag based off of Two Faces evidence. Gilli you are an idiot. If you had claimed JOAT instead of fucking tracker than I never would've voted you and most likely the vig would NOT have killed you. Betiko there was more than enough reason for a vigilante to take a pot shot last night at Gilli for what he claimed especially with what was flipped by Vodean. I for one am not laughing at the "joke" bs that Vodean posted after his death especially in recent events from another game that I am modding.

Sorry for inactivity the last couple of days. Dealing with a death in the family at the moment.

Okay "tiger", here is where I spread your ass open using two wooden sticks and shove a third into it. I don't want to reveal anything more and pull a Vodean, but you ned to shut your stupid hole moron!

ok i now get what the janitor role is. so would we agree on this?

-dozr killed by saf by mistake during an investigation
-jonty killed by mafia and cleaned by a janitor
-gillipig got killed by LSU tiger who just softclaimed vigilante

that leaves us with no SK move.

And no tiger, I already gave my opinion on this todya and yesterday. i really wanted to give gillpig the chance to speak up today.

right now, it would be interesting to know if squirel and crazy can tell us what they did, even if crazy will be more interesting apaently.

actually i don't think that squirel should tell us what he did unless he learned something from it or if he sees someone is lying.

anyway, with all these power town has mafia should have a whole bunch of fucked up roles... it's getting scary! wonder what batman can do.

Let's leave direct insults out of mafia please. I personally find your post to be completely out of line and disrespectful Gillipig.

Vote Betiko because of the guilty result on Nag. Everyone seems to have forgotten that Mr. Squirrel swapped Nag and Betiko night 1 which was actually the only reason we did not lynch betiko for lying about his role when Crazy claimed that betiko visited Edoc.

safariguy5 wrote:Damn, I'm going to have to claim responsibility for the DroZ death.

I'm Two Face, a town cop. However, after rereading my role PM more carefully, I finally understand the mechanic. Every night, I choose a target. As is true of my character, I flip a coin. Half the time, I investigate them. Half the time, I kill them. This must have been one of the times I killed them.

Now, since I replaced, my Night 1 result was an investigation on nagerous and that came back guilty.

Given that half the time, my role is a killing role, I think I would be extremely underpowered if I was also paranoid/insane. And if we want to talk flavor, the Harvey Dent side of Two Face has been shown to be a good person, at least in the comics. I had originally assumed that the warning in my PM about 50% being bad would be that the 50% would give me a bad investigation. But now I see it's a 50% vig kill.

Therefore, I assume my investigation side of things is true.

vote nagerous

Hold on, if you targetted Nagerous on Night 1 then wouldn't your results be for Betiko because of Squirrel's bussing?
Or are you accounting for the bussing?
Clarification please.

good point, i didn't even think of it. saf, are you saying that jak investigated me on night 1 or nagerous? you kind of made a shortcut there that changes everything.

betiko wrote:

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My concern with your claim saf is this. that's jak's last post, and it was day 2. day 1 he was all over me, and day 2 he posted only 1 thing, this and he was still on me. Jak has been playing all his other mafia games and dropped this one. I don't really know in which other mafia games he's in but i think it would be strange to drop completely this one. He got in a pretty exciting position if he investigated on day 1 and got a guilty result... unfortunately his post was the one just before squirel claimed bus, and we learned that crazy visited nagerous instead of me... would ve been interesting to see how he would ve pressured him.

other than this everything seems to fit pretty well...

For information about Jak's decision to drop some of his games refer to the H.P. Lovecraft Mafia Signups thread. Also, none of this is relevant to what Safariguy is saying as he replaced Illiad, not Jak.

betiko wrote:And no tiger, I already gave my opinion on this todya and yesterday. i really wanted to give gillpig the chance to speak up today.

A situation where a person who has already claimed is certain to be the number 1 lynch target the next day is one of the least controversial Vig targets possible.

safariguy5 wrote:Damn, I'm going to have to claim responsibility for the DroZ death.

I'm Two Face, a town cop. However, after rereading my role PM more carefully, I finally understand the mechanic. Every night, I choose a target. As is true of my character, I flip a coin. Half the time, I investigate them. Half the time, I kill them. This must have been one of the times I killed them.

Now, since I replaced, my Night 1 result was an investigation on nagerous and that came back guilty.

Given that half the time, my role is a killing role, I think I would be extremely underpowered if I was also paranoid/insane. And if we want to talk flavor, the Harvey Dent side of Two Face has been shown to be a good person, at least in the comics. I had originally assumed that the warning in my PM about 50% being bad would be that the 50% would give me a bad investigation. But now I see it's a 50% vig kill.

Therefore, I assume my investigation side of things is true.

vote nagerous

So what happened to you night 2?

nagerous wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:Damn, I'm going to have to claim responsibility for the DroZ death.

I'm Two Face, a town cop. However, after rereading my role PM more carefully, I finally understand the mechanic. Every night, I choose a target. As is true of my character, I flip a coin. Half the time, I investigate them. Half the time, I kill them. This must have been one of the times I killed them.

Now, since I replaced, my Night 1 result was an investigation on nagerous and that came back guilty.

Given that half the time, my role is a killing role, I think I would be extremely underpowered if I was also paranoid/insane. And if we want to talk flavor, the Harvey Dent side of Two Face has been shown to be a good person, at least in the comics. I had originally assumed that the warning in my PM about 50% being bad would be that the 50% would give me a bad investigation. But now I see it's a 50% vig kill.

Therefore, I assume my investigation side of things is true.

vote nagerous

So what happened to you night 2?

Ah sorry you're claiming that you killed DroZ, not buying it right now, but yes your investigation on night 1 was on betiko but nice try.

Hey guys. I'm really sorry, but I'm probably going to have to be replaced in this game. School and work and life is just too busy right now. On top of that, my internet will be cutting out at the end of the week.

And in case it mattered, before I go, I didn't busdrive anyone last night because I wasn't on.

spiesr wrote:For information about Jak's decision to drop some of his games refer to the H.P. Lovecraft Mafia Signups thread.

Yeah i read it and it is a bit lame to drop some games and sign up for others at the same time, that"s why i was saying all this.

spiesr wrote:Also, none of this is relevant to what Safariguy is saying as he replaced Illiad, not Jak.

You are perfectly right my bad, was pretty sure he replaced jak and didn't go on the OP to recheck. Iliad wrote 1 confirm and 1 substancial post (it is literally it!) just one post on day 1!! Let me finish answering your post iliad and i get back to the iliad/saf2.0 case.

spiesr wrote:A situation where a person who has already claimed is certain to be the number 1 lynch target the next day is one of the least controversial Vig targets possible.

. Yes you are right, but what was the rush? now we all know who te vig is and we blindly killed a JOAT. I am sure that after seeing that the mafia roleblocker didn't do anything on night 1 acording to gillipig I would never have believed him today and would ve gone for his lynch whatever the explanations could be. But we would ve got a valuable info for day 4! he probably investigated someone last night. Gillipig would ve been the town lynch and nagerous the vig kill. we wouldn t ve had the vig outed + an extra investigation result or whatever he used night 2.

back to iliad/saf2.0

Iliad wrote:Sorry guys, cookies trouble kept being logged out of CC. Technical issues over.

betiko's behaviour is just baffling to me. He collates a full flavour list, a list not really needed on day 1 and i don't see what why it was made. He responds aggressively and invites pressure onto himself essentially and then under the lightest pressure roleclaims, but only the flavour.

betiko wrote:i'll save town some time as you are most probably going to continue this nonsense. I am Bane

you will not learn anymore from me, not even if someone fakeclaims my name. but I'm eager to see if any scum has the balls on day 1 to step up and fakeclaim!

Notice how assumes that he's immediately out of the clear. Not so fast.

Looks to me like a scum newbie who got a fakeclaim as part of his role, and was overeager and wanted to role claim as soon as possible thinking that'd make him in the "clear".

Let's get one thing clear about themed games. Fakeclaims given to mafia are very likely. Whenver I make themed games I usually make the decision to leave out a few relatively important characters out so mafia has credible fakeclaims. Otherwise it's endgame and the claims are Hermione,Ron, Professor Mcgonnagall and Groundskeeper #4 from Book 3. It's entirely possible that Bane is fakeclaim and I'm not a fan of assuming guilt based on flavour claims. Bekito's actual actions have been very scumy.

vote bekito

so if the guy writes 1 and only post that is just about me and that i don't get lynched that day, what are the odds that he didn't investigate me? why the hell would ve he investigated directly before bussing nagerous? thanks god the coin flipped on the good side or it would ve killed 2 townies for the price of an investigation. Anyway i'm sure i'll get cleared by saf, otherwise he is the one lying and nagerous has a role that mafia wants to see dead asap to the point of sacrifying one of their own? he can still say that it's be cause he's half insane cop but come on.. my guess is that saf just forgot to add that the result was on nagerous following the busclaim but that i was the primary target. Bah i won't wait for safari, I think skimming an lying like that wouldn't be his style, he just didn't mention "after bus".


unvote vote nagerous

fastposted. out of the killed, droz is the only one that could replace squirrel...
and nagerous, why would iliad investigate you and not me on night 1 please? nice try yourself.