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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:03 pm

he who sleeps shall fall, he who falls shall rise, he who rises has conquered.

i dont believe i was using the language of the great old ones, but rather the cosmic language.
and its not necessarily a vote stealer. it could be vote-blocker or ability blocker or something.
remember that this set-up is very non-standard.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby pancakemix on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:55 pm

jak111 wrote:
pancakemix wrote:I have a strong distrust of anyone using the language of the Great Old Ones trying to resurrect anyone.

BTW, I have no vote today.


Vote stealer is in play then.

As far as the first post goes, I just took that as flavour not as literal insanity. Also Vodean, you're not posting your list thing? Is that forced or are you doing that to be potentially annoying?


Based on other circumstances detailed in my PM, I believe my vote is disabled, not stolen.

i dont believe i was using the language of the great old ones, but rather the cosmic language.


Mmmk, but Yog-Sothoth (mentioned in your chant) is Cthulhu's grandparent. Just throwin' that out there.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:58 pm

I'm guessing the insanity would be some kind of horrendous PR since we are still responsible for posting our own thoughts in here.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:03 pm

pancakemix wrote:
jak111 wrote:
pancakemix wrote:I have a strong distrust of anyone using the language of the Great Old Ones trying to resurrect anyone.

BTW, I have no vote today.


Vote stealer is in play then.

As far as the first post goes, I just took that as flavour not as literal insanity. Also Vodean, you're not posting your list thing? Is that forced or are you doing that to be potentially annoying?


Based on other circumstances detailed in my PM, I believe my vote is disabled, not stolen.

i dont believe i was using the language of the great old ones, but rather the cosmic language.


Mmmk, but Yog-Sothoth (mentioned in your chant) is Cthulhu's grandparent. Just throwin' that out there.

great ones know all, see all, do all.

yog sogoth is a god, as per my understanding. perhaps the God.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby Iron Butterfly on Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:41 pm

jak111 wrote:Hmm, I think Edoc may have a similar thing to me, mine did not go through neither.

But I am not insane, so perhaps it is people who do not use their roles who go insane? Or maybe it's neither and scum or third party have a power to MAKE people go insane.. But what I find amusing are people who suggested people going insane back on D1. That's mighty suspicious to be right on in a mafia game...


From the WIKI HP Lovecraft page.

"The beings of Lovecraft's mythos often have human (or mostly human) servants; Cthulhu, for instance, is worshipped under various names by cults amongst both the Eskimos of Greenland and voodoo circles of Louisiana, and in many other parts of the world.
These worshippers served a useful narrative purpose for Lovecraft. Many beings of the Mythos were too powerful to be defeated by human opponents, and so horrific that direct knowledge of them meant insanity for the victim. When dealing with such beings, Lovecraft needed a way to provide exposition and build tension without bringing the story to a premature end. Human followers gave him a way to reveal information about their "gods" in a diluted form."

What drives people insane is learning the forbidden knowledge of the Old Ones. I do not believe power roles per say cause insanity. I suspect Edocsil hit the nail on the head. I believe Vodean is insane because he sought direct knowledge from an Old One such as Yogsothoth ( I say this because of his rant). It appears he tried to beseech Yogsothoth to raise someone from the dead but that could also be a red herring. he may have tried to beseech knowledge and his rant may be the price.

Jonty also appears to have suffered the consequences of achieving some sort of knowlege though he appears to be more coherent then not.

I stated earlier in the game that there may be varying degrees of insanity dependent on the type of knowledge sought. This is how they handled the varying aspects of insanity in the D&D role playing game. One started with a pool of sanity points, which were used up dependent on the knowledge learned.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby / on Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:43 pm

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Vodean: 1 vote: edoc

deadline is Wed



To answer the alignment color questions.
Shoggoth was a third party win condition of some sort, if I do not specifically say "town", it is safe to assume they are not specifically "town", special conditions get special colors.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby jak111 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:51 pm

pancakemix wrote:Based on other circumstances detailed in my PM, I believe my vote is disabled, not stolen.


Hmm, then we have a vote blocker, hopefully town, in scum's hands that'd be a bit powerful of a role to use since they could potentially end the game a day early.

Vote Vodean

I want a reason to your jibberish, not random posts. Are you trying to stall something? Trying to clog us up from a case by deadline? Either way, I wish to hear what you have to say for yourself.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:40 pm

jak111 wrote:
pancakemix wrote:Based on other circumstances detailed in my PM, I believe my vote is disabled, not stolen.


Hmm, then we have a vote blocker, hopefully town, in scum's hands that'd be a bit powerful of a role to use since they could potentially end the game a day early.

Vote Vodean

I want a reason to your jibberish, not random posts. Are you trying to stall something? Trying to clog us up from a case by deadline? Either way, I wish to hear what you have to say for yourself.

the great ones are all knowing

i dont see how i am holding the game back at all.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby Rodion on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:07 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Rodion: not posted yet today, likes to lay low until day 3, can we at least get an acknowledgment of the scene? Why didn't you vote for elon yesterday even though you supported the case?


I'm behind. Gonna catch up soon.

Meanwhile, regarding Elon, I never supported the case. I said you had reached an interesting conclusion but it sorely depended on a premise ("all human 'VTs' got the same role PM"). Then I asked you whether you had proof that all "humans" had the same role PM, which would convince me, but you never presented that proof.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby Kanin Usagi on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:19 pm

vodean wrote:
jak111 wrote:
pancakemix wrote:Based on other circumstances detailed in my PM, I believe my vote is disabled, not stolen.


Hmm, then we have a vote blocker, hopefully town, in scum's hands that'd be a bit powerful of a role to use since they could potentially end the game a day early.

Vote Vodean

I want a reason to your jibberish, not random posts. Are you trying to stall something? Trying to clog us up from a case by deadline? Either way, I wish to hear what you have to say for yourself.

the great ones are all knowing

i dont see how i am holding the game back at all.

I would be willing to bet that Vodean can't directly address the whole chanting issue. After all, many insane people don't even realize that something is necessarily wrong.

Could be an interesting new game mechanic.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby ghostly447 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:56 pm

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:I'm guessing the insanity would be some kind of horrendous PR since we are still responsible for posting our own thoughts in here.


LSU. You addressed insanity and then posted "since we are...thoughts in here". Does this mean you are insane and you know for a fact you are still in charge of your own thoughts?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby safariguy5 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:22 pm

I suppose if we were to assume that someone went insane, it might actually be a signal that they're not mafia or a monster third party or whatever. We know monsters don't go insane, and mafia cultists (if there indeed are some) would most likely not be given debilitating insanity PR's. Certainly not ones that would last multiple days.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby spiesr on Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:35 pm

safariguy5 wrote:I suppose if we were to assume that someone went insane, it might actually be a signal that they're not mafia or a monster third party or whatever. We know monsters don't go insane, and mafia cultists (if there indeed are some) would most likely not be given debilitating insanity PR's. Certainly not ones that would last multiple days.
Although now that you say that it won't work on anyone in the future. As every new case would be WIFOM as to if they are genuine or faking it.
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Unfortunately Vodean is being deliberately(?) obtuse in areas unrelated to that as well. So either the hypothetical insanity prevents him from giving a direct answer to anything, in which case is what use is he anymore, or he needs to get his shit together and play competently.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:22 pm

elder priests be praised, elder gods be powerful. fear is safety, respect is fear.

i do not believe myself to be insane, also, my alignment has probably not changed from what it originally was.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby jonty125 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:43 am

Other stars anon shall rise

vote vodean sounds like he's trying to raise the Soggoth with all his praise of the Elder Gods, and that's not good.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:09 am

in the twilight of old rose man.

im no more in favor of raising soggoth than anyone else who is not in favor.

it sounds like the BW on me is moving, so im going to claim. Im a "normal human" 3rd party, like the other humans. that is the reason i knew to ask doom what his alignment was. so whoever asked that earlier, yes. i just didnt want to give it away then. despite being 3rd party, we are essentially joats, and are the footsoldiers of town. im just a survivor. im pretty sure that thats not too much info from the role PM, since most of it isnt even in the role PM. i have no name. i feel like the hints i dropped earlier regarding humans should confirm my role.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby edocsil on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:03 am

vodean wrote:in the twilight of old rose man.

im no more in favor of raising soggoth than anyone else who is not in favor.

it sounds like the BW on me is moving, so im going to claim. Im a "normal human" 3rd party, like the other humans. that is the reason i knew to ask doom what his alignment was. so whoever asked that earlier, yes. i just didnt want to give it away then. despite being 3rd party, we are essentially joats, and are the footsoldiers of town. im just a survivor. im pretty sure that thats not too much info from the role PM, since most of it isnt even in the role PM. i have no name. i feel like the hints i dropped earlier regarding humans should confirm my role.


Yes, we all surmised that. What action did you take to lose your sanity.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby jak111 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:48 am

Jonty might want to explain his own chants if he thinks Vodean's is to bring Shaggoth back.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:41 am

Such a remarkable revelation from vodean. Why not tell us something we don't know?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:42 am

Rodion wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Rodion: not posted yet today, likes to lay low until day 3, can we at least get an acknowledgment of the scene? Why didn't you vote for elon yesterday even though you supported the case?


I'm behind. Gonna catch up soon.

Meanwhile, regarding Elon, I never supported the case. I said you had reached an interesting conclusion but it sorely depended on a premise ("all human 'VTs' got the same role PM"). Then I asked you whether you had proof that all "humans" had the same role PM, which would convince me, but you never presented that proof.


The main part of the case is that he was lying. Regardless of whatever role I had. Did you miss that post?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby Rodion on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:05 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
Rodion wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Rodion: not posted yet today, likes to lay low until day 3, can we at least get an acknowledgment of the scene? Why didn't you vote for elon yesterday even though you supported the case?


I'm behind. Gonna catch up soon.

Meanwhile, regarding Elon, I never supported the case. I said you had reached an interesting conclusion but it sorely depended on a premise ("all human 'VTs' got the same role PM"). Then I asked you whether you had proof that all "humans" had the same role PM, which would convince me, but you never presented that proof.


The main part of the case is that he was lying. Regardless of whatever role I had. Did you miss that post?


I wonder whether I had skimmed? From what I remember, the situation was the following:

1 - Elon says his gut (and only his gut) tells him there is a cult
2 - Elon says he's a human
3 - Yoshi says he's a human and his role PM tells him of a cult
4 - Yoshi assumes all humans got the same role PM, which means that either:
a) Elon is not a human, so he's a liar (lied on "2")
b) Elon is a human, but then he had more than his gut to conclude there was a cult, so he's a liar (lied on "1")

That's what I understood from all that. I wanted proof on "4" ("that all humans had the same role PM") so that the syllogism would be flawless. Being that there was no proof and it was just an "assumption", I decided not to join the wagon.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:16 am

No, elon never said he was a human. It's all in the past now though.

Here's what I am doing now: I am going back through day 1 and compiling a list of all the humans we have based on VT tells and reactions and such. Anyone else who wants to be on the list should add themselves now. Keep in mind that being a Human does not mean that a player is cleared. If we are to progress through this monster hunting, I want to at least narrow my list down. Since I am making the list for myself, I may as well share it with everyone.

Anyways (from the top of my head):

Humans
vodean
jonty (these 2 are insane)
Sully
yoshi
edoc

Non-Humans:
spiesr
strike wolf

Unsure right now:
everyone else
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby strike wolf on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:48 am

Question: why do you believe me to be non-human?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:01 pm

After looking over day 1:

Keep in mind these are my opinions, and I am not 100% on all of them.
DoomYoshi wrote:Humans
vodean
jonty (these 2 are insane)
Sully
yoshi
edoc
rishaed (how did I forget this one)
Kanin (maybe)

Non-Humans:
spiesr
strike wolf
Rodion (iffy at first, def on this list now though)
betiko
Nendreel (but probably not a monster)
Commander9 (leaning scum)
ghostly (unsure on alignment, slight fos)
Iron Butterfly (fos'ed)
jak
safariguy (im not too worried about saf, i think im pretty good at reading his scum game now)
new guy (last minute change due to gut feeling)

Unsure right now:
LSU (still strongly leaning scum, playing very similar to vodean, but without the humanity)
pcm (could be a human trying really hard to pretend not to be)
voldemort (not posting enough to really tell)
thehippo8 (this guy is impossible to read)
Swifte
crazymilkshake5 (who hasn't posted at all yet... WTF??)



For the Record, here is some proof that I already knew your role explicitly on page 16, vodean. So, catch up with the game and tell you did with yog-sothoth already.]

DoomYoshi wrote:I'm starting to get frustrated here.

I didn't softclaim unlynchable. I was just saying that without a case you can't lynch me.

It doesn't seem like that is true though. You people are lynching me for no reason.

Vodean, I'm not fake claiming. I'm claiming to have a role called townie. Since I have the most basic role, and I know it isnt strictly "vanilla" I was able to surmise that
A) there are no vanillas, and therefore no boring roles.
B) elonpuckhog, and a few others (like vodean) have the same role.

Now that all the VTs have basically given themseleves away, this game is just stupid.

I am not going to contribute anything more today. Lynch me if you want, I don't care any more.



vote betiko

For pretending to be human, when he is clearly not.

FP'ed by strike: for thinking that humans are cleared townies.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:03 pm

I suppose I should say that when I say "non-human" I mean people who have a different role than me, not necessarily that you are a monster.
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