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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby rishaed on Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:45 am

vodean wrote:things incomprehensible to beings should not be explained.

i am still insane. i am not saying that anyone understands my insanity fully.
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thehippo8 wrote:I visited Nendreel (as I did pancakemix) and the PM result I got on Nendreel was inconsistent with what he said. But that's enough about that for today!


Did you catch him in a lie? Regardless of the answer, please elaborate.

betiko wrote:other thing: who has been a captive mind? rodion and pancake twice? rodion knows commander is an alien and it's the first time I hear that.


N1 - Lovo + PCM + ???
N2 - Saf + PCM + Rodion
N3 - Saf + Edoc + ???

I don't know whether the failed possession on Strike made one of them powerless for the day or whether they got to keep their previous body (which would explain someone still inhabiting Saf). Depending on the mechanics, the N3 ??? can be a failed attempt on Strike Wolf or an unknown player.

I guessed alien because /'s PM releasing me from being a captive mind mentioned an alien city.

Guys, if Ghostly has not yet been hammered, could you please not rush the lynch? There are a lot of things that should be discussed. We don't want people dying N4 without releasing valuable information because some people rushed the hammer. Examples of things I'd like to discuss today are:

1 - Did Hippo catch Nendreel lying?
2 - If Vodean knew Ghostly's alignment due to his night action, how come didn't Vodean vote Ghostly? The no vote actually made me think Vodean was guessing/deducting Ghostly's WC, as someone with clear evidence of a lie would have posted something like this:
"My NA revealed Ghostly's WC is not survivor (he has to kill whatever in order to win). Ghostly lied. LAL. Vote Ghostly."
In the end, Ghostly confessed and everything is going to end up well, but I still want to understand if Vodean used a NA in order to catch Ghostly and, if so, why didn't he vote Ghostly in his last post.
3 - The end of Vodean's PR also bugs me. He went insane for asking a mid-tier question (track) and then got cured after asking the riskiest one (cop)? Wasn't his PR permanent, unlike Jonty's?
4 - How did Commander know Kanin's abilities if his mind was never captured?

cop is not the riskiest question. My PM does not say that Ghostly was fighting anything other than Elder and Outer Gods.
i did ask yog sogoth for information. rishaed is scum. player X is scum, and by my guess, alive. kanin may have been captured. we dont know for sure.

Nendreel, one of the scummiest people of D2, has been caught in a lie. my best option for a lynch (assuming no new info, so this is kinda irrelevant) on D6 after ghostly and rishaed, who are both confirmed scum. did i not vote ghostly? i am happy to hammer, in that case. i was in a rush when i posted earlier today.
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Here I am laughing. I put my head on a chopping block for you and you decide that its good to pick up the ax for everyone. And no I am NOT scum, if your memory is corrected i am a "Human" with a WC change. My role didn't suddenly change because of that. Anyways why should we trust your information if you are now insane. Technically speaking, i had asked / in the beginning of the game and it also said that the information that you are likely to get CAN be insane, so technically not true. Just some thoughts that i had forgot about.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:59 am

Yes Rishaed but the only way for you to win is for the bad guys to achieve their win condition. You no longer have a vested interest in helping anyone else. If you were once the foot soldier for Town you are now a foot soldier for Ghostly. I suspect your win condition is tied to Team Ghostly not just Ghostly.

Either way you slice it you are now a huge liability.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby rishaed on Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:47 am

Tja, seems however the one i sacrificed to help will be my downfall neh? What a shame, I was actually hoping that things would work out differently. Remind me next time not to stop a lynch on vodean k?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby vodean on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:18 am

rishaed wrote:Tja, seems however the one i sacrificed to help will be my downfall neh? What a shame, I was actually hoping that things would work out differently. Remind me next time not to stop a lynch on vodean k?

its not my fault you worshipped scum...
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby betiko on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:24 am

I think that for us normal humans, we either need to survive or to fulfill the unknown WC of the person we decide to worship. I'm going to ask / again because that's the way I understood it.
This would mean rishaed's win condition has been revealed by vodean (so you confirm that yog gave you that much details??) and he will try to kill elder and outer gods; but if he doesn't succeed yet survives he also wins. Yet, it seems like a dangerous role as i would imagine elder and outer gods are good guys? but I just wanted to add this to say that by surviving in my understanding it's still a win for him. We have so many cases that need to be developped right now, I'd like to hear further developpement on them then we decide priorities..
Rishaed, do you have a killing ability?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby rishaed on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:33 am

Ask the others they'll tell you, at least im sure vode will
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby betiko on Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:32 am

rishaed wrote:Ask the others they'll tell you, at least im sure vode will


unless you forgot I have the same role than you and vodean; I am just not sure that all the guys with our type of role all have the exact same one, or if there are little differences, I don't know if vodean could have something to do with the undead or something with his day 2 giberish for example.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby vodean on Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:44 am

when all the elder things were seen, they were unseen.

betiko wrote:
rishaed wrote:Ask the others they'll tell you, at least im sure vode will


unless you forgot I have the same role than you and vodean; I am just not sure that all the guys with our type of role all have the exact same one, or if there are little differences, I don't know if vodean could have something to do with the undead or something with his day 2 giberish for example.

im the same as you as far as i know.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby spiesr on Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:45 am

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i did ask yog sogoth for information. rishaed is scum. player X is scum, and by my guess, alive. kanin may have been captured. we dont know for sure.

Nendreel, one of the scummiest people of D2, has been caught in a lie. my best option for a lynch (assuming no new info, so this is kinda irrelevant) on D6 after ghostly and rishaed, who are both confirmed scum. did i not vote ghostly? i am happy to hammer, in that case. i was in a rush when i posted earlier today.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby jonty125 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:48 am

vote ghostly for the inconsistency in his claim.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:57 am

I know this is a little late Rodion, but with regards to your A,B,C question, I still think it could very well be B or C, and really we haven't heard much from either A or B to either confirm or disprove them.

I'd also like to say that I can pray to Yog-Sothoth to ask for information but risk losing some sanity over it. I haven't done that because I'm a captive mind twice in a row, but I think the praying to Yog-Sothoth is a universal thing.

Also, with regards to a possible third person being captive minded, I would have to conclude that it failed. I'm only masoned with edoc and nobody else.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:35 pm

After Saf's last post, captive minds list is:

N1 - Lovo + PCM + ??? (not sure whether there was a 3rd captive mind or not)
N2 - Saf + PCM + Rodion
N3 - Saf + Edoc

@Kanin

Commander9 wrote:II) Granted, Kanin seems to have behaved rather oddly and I'm not completely sure of his logics behind some actions in the previous day, BUT I can confirm that at according to his abilities, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that he would be mafia or scum. Survivor/town are both possible. As of now, I believe that's enough.


@Vodean

I was asking Hippo if he had caught Nendreel in a lie. Now you're confirming it did happen. Care to provide evidence? And, like spiesr said, please make it a straight answer before people derp into prematurely ending the day (assuming it did not already happen).
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby thehippo8 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:35 pm

@Rodion - I appreciate the opportunity but I suspect that it would be more useful coming directly from Nendreel (who is either avoiding or busy). At any rate, he is not a concern to me at present.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:46 pm

Rodion wrote:After Saf's last post, captive minds list is:

N1 - Lovo + PCM + ??? (not sure whether there was a 3rd captive mind or not)
N2 - Saf + PCM + Rodion
N3 - Saf + Edoc

@Kanin

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@Vodean

I was asking Hippo if he had caught Nendreel in a lie. Now you're confirming it did happen. Care to provide evidence? And, like spiesr said, please make it a straight answer before people derp into prematurely ending the day (assuming it did not already happen).


Don't you think if there was an anti-town lie, hippo would have said something?
Also, if Comm9 says Nendreel is town, why do you care about this contradiction so much? You know for a fact that there is a lot of confusion in this game, are you willing to just let it slide? Especially now that hippo has agreed to not push, I would think that you should be. But the damage is already done. You have front-and-centered nendreel, who is now likely a scum target.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:22 pm

You seem to want to sweep weird things under the rug too quickly.

We have 2 players showing issue with Nendreel, one of them claiming that he has lied (Vodean), while the other has merely suggested it (Hippo). Where there are lies, there are usually anti-town win conditions around (remember LAL?), and no matter how you slice it one of these 3 HAS to be a suspect. I just don't yet know which one, hence the questions.

Regarding your last sentence, Nendreel cannot be a scum target while scum thinks he has a decent shot at getting lynched (scum uses NKs to kill townies that are harder to mislynch), and if "A" says "B" lied, you don't waste your NK on that "B". That's pretty much the same logic on why I said you would not be N1 recruited, which you seemed to agree with.

Also, Commander never said Nendreel is town. Did you mean Kanin?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:27 pm

Edit: I don't know if there is a pro-town or an anti-town lie around (or even just a bigass misunderstanding). I don't even know if Hippo has the power to tell the difference between a pro-town or anti-town lie either. What I know is that something does not quite add up and I want to get to the bottom of this.

I also heavily dislike the fact you're getting in my way, Yoshi.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:30 pm

Rodion wrote:You seem to want to sweep weird things under the rug too quickly.

We have 2 players showing issue with Nendreel, one of them claiming that he has lied (Vodean), while the other has merely suggested it (Hippo). Where there are lies, there are usually anti-town win conditions around (remember LAL?), and no matter how you slice it one of these 3 HAS to be a suspect. I just don't yet know which one, hence the questions.

Regarding your last sentence, Nendreel cannot be a scum target while scum thinks he has a decent shot at getting lynched (scum uses NKs to kill townies that are harder to mislynch), and if "A" says "B" lied, you don't waste your NK on that "B". That's pretty much the same logic on why I said you would not be N1 recruited, which you seemed to agree with.

Also, Commander never said Nendreel is town. Did you mean Kanin?


Ok, I guess the real answer is halfway between here. I am not sure where I read that nendreel was town by comm9, I think I had nendreel and Kanin mistaken.

Also, I don't think that nendreel is a likely target for a lynch, but maybe the mafia thinks otherwise.

Finally, I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that vodean was just referencing hippo's distrust and your pushing, rather than additional information.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Nendreel on Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:17 pm

Vodean doesn't have any information on me, he's just bandwagoning.
I suspect the discrepancy Hippo is talking about is over the human/Human thing. I can explain that with a claim. And no Comm9 has never mentioned my alignment before.

Obviously if enough people think I've been anti-town I'll make a full claim. Considering all the votes tied up on ghostly, I'll make the claim if enough people just ask.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:48 pm

I don't think that would be appropriate. I'd rather see them (Hippo/Vodean) making their accusations in a clear manner first and you claiming after that (if needed) than seeing you claim to rebuke accusations that are poorly formulated/explained as of now.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:56 pm

pancakemix wrote:They can work together if he asks about a mechanic that wouldn't apply to him or doesn't use said mechanic.

He cannot be part of Commander's group because he was a captive mind.


That would be true.

N1 - Lovo + PCM (masoned)
N2 - Saf + PCM + Rodion (masoned)
N3 - Saf + Edoc (masoned)

This would be the correct order of succesful captive minds. This does not necessarily reflect all the actions we have taken as some of the inhabitations have not been succesful.

Rodion wrote:I don't know whether the failed possession on Strike made one of them powerless for the day or whether they got to keep their previous body (which would explain someone still inhabiting Saf). Depending on the mechanics, the N3 ??? can be a failed attempt on Strike Wolf or an unknown player.

I guessed alien because /'s PM releasing me from being a captive mind mentioned an alien city.

Guys, if Ghostly has not yet been hammered, could you please not rush the lynch? There are a lot of things that should be discussed. We don't want people dying N4 without releasing valuable information because some people rushed the hammer. Examples of things I'd like to discuss today are:

1 - Did Hippo catch Nendreel lying?
2 - If Vodean knew Ghostly's alignment due to his night action, how come didn't Vodean vote Ghostly? The no vote actually made me think Vodean was guessing/deducting Ghostly's WC, as someone with clear evidence of a lie would have posted something like this:
"My NA revealed Ghostly's WC is not survivor (he has to kill whatever in order to win). Ghostly lied. LAL. Vote Ghostly."
In the end, Ghostly confessed and everything is going to end up well, but I still want to understand if Vodean used a NA in order to catch Ghostly and, if so, why didn't he vote Ghostly in his last post.
3 - The end of Vodean's PR also bugs me. He went insane for asking a mid-tier question (track) and then got cured after asking the riskiest one (cop)? Wasn't his PR permanent, unlike Jonty's?
4 - How did Commander know Kanin's abilities if his mind was never captured?


I already confirmed that Strike was indeed target (I'm pretty sure that I did, at least) and we have failed as he died. Yes, we are not humans - we are indeed aliens. I could provide the name, if necessary, but I honestly see no need for it or how it would change anything.

1. I'm torn about this one - but it does seem so.
2. Playing cautiously and afraid that people won't trust him?
3. I do agree about this one - it definitely seems odd. There is a remote possibility that he would be one of the 3rd group of Gods and he would be trying to get rid of rival factions, but there is no evidence but speculation and WIFOM.
4. Who said we didn't use the actions of people while in their bodies? ;)

@ Nendreel

Commander never said he was town ;)

Rodion wrote:I don't think that would be appropriate. I'd rather see them (Hippo/Vodean) making their accusations in a clear manner first and you claiming after that (if needed) than seeing you claim to rebuke accusations that are poorly formulated/explained as of now.


The current way to get scum seems to target a person nearly blindly and just pressure, pressure and then pressure some more with hopes of hitting the right target.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby / on Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:52 pm

Vote count

ghostly447: 10 votes: DoomYoshi, jak111, pancakemix, new guy1, thehippo8, rishaed, thechuck51, Iron Butterfly, betiko, jonty125

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:25 pm

Saf/PCM: answer to that thing we've been discussing is C. I thought one of you had the answer because I hadn't. It turns out / corrected a PM he had sent me and I was the one with the answer to that particular doubt.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:47 pm

Rodion wrote:Saf/PCM: answer to that thing we've been discussing is C. I thought one of you had the answer because I hadn't. It turns out / corrected a PM he had sent me and I was the one with the answer to that particular doubt.


Would you guys care to indulge us as well?... I don't see how being secretative is to town's favour and I would be curious to know (as I'm sure others are) to what exactly you are talking about.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Rodion on Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:16 pm

We were talking about who your 2 buddies were. We know. =]

I decided not to out them because I'd rather see you keep feeding us info about possible anti-town players.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Four

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:22 pm

Rodion wrote:We were talking about who your 2 buddies were. We know. =]

I decided not to out them because I'd rather see you keep feeding us info about possible anti-town players.


Fair enough. One should not be too difficult to deduce, although I am curious how you found the other (assuming you got it right)... But we'll see.
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