Time Warp Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count


New guy (1) - betiko
Betiko (1) - new guy

Not voting (4)

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is November 26th.


Deadline extended one day for thanksgiving.

[Iron Butterfly]

Sorry for my double post but that last one was really horrible in describing after reading it lol.

IB could have thrown his scum buddy under the bus "sucking up" to town as the hero from yesterday. That was the gist of my weirdly worded post lol.

HAH! I was wondering when and if someone would say this. Use a little common sense. Edocsil was almost toast. If I am mafia and Gregwolf was mafia there would be no reason to throw Greg under the bus the first day. The only benefit would be "Town Cred". All it would take would be a cop investigation or other investigation role to throw that all out the window at the expense of a team member day one.

It would be a pretty stupid move If you think about it.

[betiko]

oh well newguy, I guess you won't let me be lazy and you want me to do a propper post to say why I thought you acted wierd this game. Ok then, let's go post per post.

Vote ghostly just because my vote isnt on anyone and I havent joke voted anyone ...

just a joke vote, on your twin brother so you take the minimum risk.

Unvote. Well no one has done anything suspicious yet so that leaves us with a random lynch. It's looking like Vodean is going to be the target at this point. I say if he has an important role then he should claim.

Well if you want to do a random lynch, then why dont you look at Edocsil's alternative? He posted right above you suggesting vodean/betiko and you seem to be settled for just random lynching vodean. Since from past experience vodean wont claim and will likely take the lynch, I would rather look into betiko because if we discover he is a PR or something then we can always gather enough pressure to lynch vodean in the end. This is a relatively silent game, so I guess it needs to start somewhere, vote soundman for being content with a random lynch.

on this one I have to agree with you, soundman said something strange and deserved a vote

Betiko, was that a joke vote, or a legit vote?

was in between, but already answered

I understand, but being a smart ass isnt a crime either.

so?

Sorry for the double post, its not that Im defending him, I just dont see much there.

why do you need to justify yourself like that? you are double posting and overjustifying...

I wouldnt say he's finding out, because he knew nobody wanted to do it so he must have predicted it was a possibility. Im not voting for edoc as I know (and you probably can tell from my past meta) I say dumb shit on day one and get more shit for it, so I can understand that he was trying to get the game moving and it ended badly because of his wording. Therefore, I will just keep my vote where it is. I do agree with ghost however that he did go completely 180 on the meta of Betiko, but at this point it seems he will get lynched with or without my vote.

talking about edoc's case. fair enough.

Very nice eyes, I completely looked over it, Im guessing a double voter.

neendrel sees a double voter.

Well, give me the player you think is scum, and since Im not going for your case, I will put my vote on them. That way, if town decides to lynch you, no harm no foul. If we decide we will pursue him, it's one less vote that you must gather to turn it around.

you are basically proposing edoc to bandwagon on any case he proposes, whoever it is. You are now OMGUSing me for putting vote number 2 on your ass to get things moving?

I will vote IB like I said I would.

so edoc tells you IB and doesn't vote, you jump on it.

Hey vodean. If you read, I'm only voting so that if we decide the case on edocsil is not a good one then we can turn the wagon to someone whom he believes to be scummy.

fair enough, but if edoc is scum he could point out a fellow scum to gain brownie points.

Ill move my vote to gregwolf, as he hasnt added anything and I would rather give edoc a 50% in exchange for an inactive player. Unvote, vote gregwolf

fastposted.

you are vote number 4

Does this mean you are in the same boat as edocsil, not giving information? I understand that theres not alot on you, but what do you expect day one cases to be made of? The scummiest thing that we can catch anyone on is either somewhere where the scum slips or inactivity.

fair enough

Last post was on page 6, you made no post of substance (before being voted you posted confirmation, zombies!!!!, and a post about vodean being at l4 or something), therefore you did not even add in on the conversation while kanin at least was here, posting, and trying to find a case. You sat in the bleachers.

ok

We have around 5 hours left guys. Since greg is on the spot, you should probably claim.

ok

I feel like there are some townies with night roles, just a gut feeling. Vodean is soft claiming he had the double vote yesterday, so that means whoever has day six must also have a double vote (going by that logic). I dont believe there are multiple mafia factions as then town would just have the shit end of the stick and plus if that were true then when each of the mafia killed someone there would be multiple days killed and therefore doom would have to pick between the days and stuff. FOS Kanin for the WIFOM.

first phrase is more than obvious. I don't understand you logic for the rest about 3rdparty impossible and i disagree.

Well, you are wrong, but I understand we dont have much to go on today, as it is pretty much another day 1 (besides the lynch part). If you were to not take your quote out of context, I did not believe edoc to be scummy even though he was amounting a large group of votes on himself. He softclaimed being a town powerrole, and that is why I decided to put my vote where he thought it was needed, because the way he worded it, I did not think there was a way to get enough votes off of him and on to the scummiest person in 24 hours. Therefore, wherever he was going to put his vote, I thought it would be better for day 1 to put my vote in the same place. He was soft claiming a power role, and I would rather not kill a power role on day one. That is why I was going to cluster my vote with his, because it would possibly save him. Now obviously IDK if he is a power role for real, but I thought that was information I should find out another day instead of lynching him because he would not claim. Now IDK where I was sucking up to him (and I understand that you could not find a better word for it), as I even said "not to suck up" or something like that in my second post "defending" (for lack of a better word) him. It was a double post, and I wanted to make it clear. I was not trying to gain town cred as I dont need it, and I nudged Gregwolf into a claim because it was his last chance of living while we gained information elsewhere. I have never seen a game that getting someone to claim (after we pressured him) was scummy. I mean really?

Ok you know what, after re-reading all your posts I realize I quite agree with all your plays, I guess I had other impressions before looking at it in details. therefore, unvote

Secondly about IB. I have to say I did think of it. Edoc brings IB as an alternative, NG1 follows to counterballance the votes on edoc, and before this goes further, IB decides to change his strategy... 20 minutes after answering edoc, he searches an alternative and goes for the less active, which is gregwolf. It could be a great mafia play, but I don't know. I don't like to be a whistleblower, but 3 minutes after posting the case about gregwolf, he sent me a PM to tell me "check the game". Why to me? and we are not masoned. there was 24H left, no emergency. Any other received the same PM, vodean? my first thought when I opened the PM before updating myself to the game was that edoc was in trouble and there were good evidence about him being the PR he softclaimed and I had to remove my vote immediately but no.

so IB, please tell me why you felt the urge to send me this PM.

fastposted by IB

[Iron Butterfly]

First I have no excuses. I saw you posted in Lovecraft and wanted you to look at the game. You did the same thing to me another game by messaging on my wall so I felt you would understand the urgency. I have never done this in any game ever. If the mod wishes to mod kill me so be it.

EVERY THING about my case on Edocsil and Greg is posted. It is what it is. I pressured Edicsil for a claim, he resisted. At the end I belled Edoc was Town. I did not even know Greg wolf was in game till I went through the list one last time after making my last post about Edoc.

there is a strong chance i will be mod killed because of this so I need to get info to Town if that is the case.

I am Day 6. I am Town. My role is Double Voter. I did NOT vote Edoc with my secrete vote.

I did imply that this game will be determined by votes during the day. So far we have three vote manipulators. Myself, Greg and whoever double voted edoc.

I do not have the ability to triple vote because it is day 6. LOL that thought did cross my mind when Vodean soft claimed.

I wanted to get this info out in case i am mod killed. The good news is that even if I die its only day two and while having a double vote in this game can be damaging it by no means guarantee's I am targeting Town.

Betiko LOL I never considered you may be mafia when I tried to get you to look at the game......weeeeeeeeeeeee whatever.

[betiko]

First I have no excuses. I saw you posted in Lovecraft and wanted you to look at the game. You did the same thing to me another game by messaging on my wall so I felt you would understand the urgency. I have never done this in any game ever. If the mod wishes to mod kill me so be it.

EVERY THING about my case on Edocsil and Greg is posted. It is what it is. I pressured Edicsil for a claim, he resisted. At the end I belled Edoc was Town. I did not even know Greg wolf was in game till I went through the list one last time after making my last post about Edoc.

there is a strong chance i will be mod killed because of this so I need to get info to Town if that is the case.

I am Day 6. I am Town. My role is Double Voter. I did NOT vote Edoc with my secrete vote.

I did imply that this game will be determined by votes during the day. So far we have three vote manipulators. Myself, Greg and whoever double voted edoc.

I do not have the ability to triple vote because it is day 6. LOL that thought did cross my mind when Vodean soft claimed.

I wanted to get this info out in case i am mod killed. The good news is that even if I die its only day two and while having a double vote in this game can be damaging it by no means guarantee's I am targeting Town.

Betiko LOL I never considered you may be mafia when I tried to get you to look at the game......weeeeeeeeeeeee whatever.

yup and that game was modded by doom too. not sure you deserve a mod kill for that. I was just surprised and checked the timings.
Yes, I did it to you as well, but there was a real emergency; it was lylo and you were the second town to vote for me so the scum only had to come in and vote for me to win, i really needed you to read the thread and check my defense before trinicardinal jumped in.. shouldn't've done it either and you didn't believe me that time anyway.
Anyway, moving on, I don't know how double voting works, I thought that when a double voter votes it counts double automatically and would say "anonymous". do you have to pm the mod and say where your second vote goes? did you ask doom if your vote could count triple or you assume it can't? If vodean had a double vote on day 1 would it be possible that the second vote went where his first vote was automatically?

the good thing with no night is that mafia didn't get the chance to speak to each other yet, and if they both (assuming they started being 3) can't coordinate shit yet.

[betiko]

also as a proof, IB can you place your second vote on a person of your choice that you will name here, preferably not me nor ng1 who both already have a vote?

[new guy1]

I understand betiko, just a misunderstanding of motives with the given actions. I will also unvote because I feel like he had a reason to think the way he did.

[Iron Butterfly]

I will vote PCM.

[new guy1]

Can you at least give us a reason why? Also might wanna make that bold and a color.

[Kanin Usagi]

Can you at least give us a reason why? Also might wanna make that bold and a color.

I'm not entirely sure he's being serious. He did the same thing to me in the joke stage.

Anyway, I guess we should just put pressure on inactives. I don't have anything else so far. Vote soundman.

[Iron Butterfly]

Can you at least give us a reason why? Also might wanna make that bold and a color.

I emailed Doom to secrete vote PCM to prove my claim. Its my second vote so no need to bold cap red it. I picked PCM at random so please don't read anything into it.

Either that he will mod kill me and that will prove i was telling the truth as well.

[vodean]

hum well, I have to say I did find ng1 somewhat strange this game for similar reasons. we don't have much to go with today and I'm fine bandwagoning on that. after all, iron nailed it yesterday.

vote newguy1

Yes.. Iron DID nail it yesterday.. Could it be a twisted scheme to try and their us way off course? I mean what better disguise than to throw his scum buddy under the bus trying to get NG1 lynched. NG has made good defence and I do think he was right to defend edoc.

Anyhow FOS IB

i would FOs Betiko for Bw. but i defo agree with IB. i noticed it yesterday, and i think i even said something then, but we were busy. [color=red=]unvote vote NG1[/color]

[betiko]

hum well, I have to say I did find ng1 somewhat strange this game for similar reasons. we don't have much to go with today and I'm fine bandwagoning on that. after all, iron nailed it yesterday.

vote newguy1

Yes.. Iron DID nail it yesterday.. Could it be a twisted scheme to try and their us way off course? I mean what better disguise than to throw his scum buddy under the bus trying to get NG1 lynched. NG has made good defence and I do think he was right to defend edoc.

Anyhow FOS IB

i would FOs Betiko for Bw. but i defo agree with IB. i noticed it yesterday, and i think i even said something then, but we were busy. [color=red=]unvote vote NG1[/color]

FOS vodean for bandwagoning on IB's case. bandwagoning is not a capital sin when it's got a purpose, and there are many for town in this game. You're giving as much reasons as I have to vote ng1, only that I worded that what I did was bwing and you don't. That is so hypocritical from you.

anyway, compiling my quotes from ng1 I saw that great quote thinking it was his but "unfortunately" for my case it was from soundman he was quoting:

Unvote. Well no one has done anything suspicious yet so that leaves us with a random lynch. It's looking like Vodean is going to be the target at this point. I say if he has an important role then he should claim.

if he has an important role then he should claim...? why would he not have to claim if he has a minor role? why would he have to claim at all with like 3 votes and like 5 days left? Also he is clearly the less active.

vote soundman

[DoomYoshi]

No reason to go modkill happy yet.

Please quote the PM into thread.

[betiko]

No reason to go modkill happy yet.

Please quote the PM into thread.

There is nothing more in that PM that what I said in here.


Time warp mafia

Sent: 15 Nov 2012, 07:03
From: Iron Butterfly
To: betiko
check the game

[NoSurvivors]

Soundy soundy soundy.... He claimed a power role and you want him to claim? What if he's a doc or a cop dude? Do you REALLY want that getting out to the mafia for an easy target? I didn't think so. (Well, unless you're mafia ) ill save my vote for after he rebuddles or he scummarines more. FOS SOUNDY

[new guy1]

Im finding NoS scummy. I will look back, but I cant remember him voting... Yeah, looked back and the only time he placed a vote was on himself in joke vote stage then he unvoted twice. He is hiding in plain sight by posting things that have already been said in a different way. Vote NoS.

[Iron Butterfly]

Im finding NoS scummy. I will look back, but I cant remember him voting... Yeah, looked back and the only time he placed a vote was on himself in joke vote stage then he unvoted twice. He is hiding in plain sight by posting things that have already been said in a different way. Vote NoS.

you know what....with all things considered this sounds as good as anything.

unvote vote NOS

[ghostly447]

Im finding NoS scummy. I will look back, but I cant remember him voting... Yeah, looked back and the only time he placed a vote was on himself in joke vote stage then he unvoted twice. He is hiding in plain sight by posting things that have already been said in a different way. Vote NoS.

you know what....with all things considered this sounds as good as anything.

unvote vote NOS

'I actually recall voting him for the exact reason on Day 1. I dont think he is anywhere near L-2, but just to make sure I will wait for a vote count to put mine on him.

[new guy1]

According to last vote count he should only have 2, but with all the vote manipulators in this game that we may have, I would just assume see if we have enough pressure on him in his opinion to claim before we push him to the point where vote manipulators can hammer him.

[soundman]

anyway, compiling my quotes from ng1 I saw that great quote thinking it was his but "unfortunately" for my case it was from soundman he was quoting:

Unvote. Well no one has done anything suspicious yet so that leaves us with a random lynch. It's looking like Vodean is going to be the target at this point. I say if he has an important role then he should claim.

if he has an important role then he should claim...? why would he not have to claim if he has a minor role? why would he have to claim at all with like 3 votes and like 5 days left? Also he is clearly the less active.

vote soundman

Actually we had about 1 1/2 days left. Crunch time. At that point I didn't think anything else would come up and as such Vodean was on the lynching block. Vodean has a thing about holding off till the last minute to claim. If he had an important role and did that, then there would be a good chance he would be lynched before people could unvote and choose another target. Simple logic.

Soundy soundy soundy.... He claimed a power role and you want him to claim? What if he's a doc or a cop dude? Do you REALLY want that getting out to the mafia for an easy target? I didn't think so. (Well, unless you're mafia ) ill save my vote for after he rebuddles or he scummarines more. FOS SOUNDY

Uh... What? Read above for the answer to your other questions.

Frankly, NoS, your posts today have been pretty scummy in my eyes. You've just been following along with whatever other case is presented without adding anything to it and then backing down at the first sight of trouble. Then you make a post like the above that doesn't even make sense and makes it look like you're skimming. He claimed after my post. Why would I be making a post after he claimed asking for another claim from him?

[betiko]

no soundman, it was 2,5 days left out of 7

and yeah what's up with nos.... he's trying very hard to be targeted skimming, never voting and openly scummarining?

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count


NoSurvivors (1) - new guy1
soundman (2) - kanin usagi, betiko

Not voting (3)

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is November 26th.

[betiko]

Vote Count


NoSurvivors (3) - new guy1, Iron, anon.
soundman (2) - kanin usagi, betiko

Not voting (8)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is November 26th.

With 8 not voting, this means that 11 players agree to lynch NoSurvivors.

can you confirm doom there is no vote on PCM?

[NoSurvivors]

Openly scummarining.. more like openly using sarcasm.. w/e, sorry you fellas cant get the sarcasm thing. Anyhow, yeah my posts have been wonky, but I'm not a scum. Just posting poorly trying to avoid being caught as inactive. but I will claim if town wants, I dont feel my role is THAT important. but i might end up using it anyhow to try and save someone (me) who i know is town later.