Time Warp Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[vodean]

why soundman didn't even vote to try save his ass is above my understanding..

Might not have been scum.

well there wasn't any real case on him except that we didn't know shit about him and that he was probably the least active from the start. If you are a few hours away from being lynched I see no reason not to claim or not to even leave a vote to avoid being lynched as there are 2 double voters.. I think he just gave up because he didn't really had time for this game. I wanted to get a claim from him rather than plainly lynch him, but at least it's not kanin.

why would kanin be so much worse? if its because hes active, then he could have replaced in, assuming he is town. either way, the case on sound was no better than my vote on kanin. neither of them should have been lynched at this point.

[betiko]

why soundman didn't even vote to try save his ass is above my understanding..

Might not have been scum.

well there wasn't any real case on him except that we didn't know shit about him and that he was probably the least active from the start. If you are a few hours away from being lynched I see no reason not to claim or not to even leave a vote to avoid being lynched as there are 2 double voters.. I think he just gave up because he didn't really had time for this game. I wanted to get a claim from him rather than plainly lynch him, but at least it's not kanin.

why would kanin be so much worse? if its because hes active, then he could have replaced in, assuming he is town. either way, the case on sound was no better than my vote on kanin. neither of them should have been lynched at this point.

unless you've missed something (like always), from my perspective kanin is my mason buddy and our role pm was sent with each other's alignment so I'm certain he is town. On another hand, we have the obligation to lynch someone by deadline. So what exactly don't you understand in my relief to see a guy both me and kanin were voting against the other day lynched instead of my town confirmed mason buddy???

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, finally here to write the scene. I wrote my last exam last night.

The time had come to figure out the time. The game was almost won, or lost, and nobody quite knew.

In the end, a rapid flurry of activity ended up with a man stuck alone at the edge of the abyss. Any last words? they asked, expecting an explanation. He just grinned, and then winked at the crowd, waiting to push him over. Before they could finally push him over the edge, the ground gave way and he fell, fell, fell. As they went back to bed, they had a strange sensation that they wouldn't wake up ever again.

Night 3, ???? (sooundman) has been deadline lynched.

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As they woke up, they realized that the time was about to come. They only had two chances left, they had better not waste them. Time kept flowing, death kept happening. Did life?

Day 4 Begin

Deadline Dec 22nd.

[betiko]

this is starting to get far too confusing and unplayable...

day 1 vodean
night 1: PCM (unknown alignment politician lynched day 6)
day 2 Ghostly (VT?)
night 2:?
day 3:?
night 3: Soundman (lynched day 5, ???)
day 4:?
night 4: NoSurvivors (lynched day 2, VT?)
day 5:?
night 5: Gregwolf (lynched day 1 mafia vote disabler, 100% dead)
day 6 iron butterfly (town? double voter)
night 6: ?
day 7: ?

jonty (claimed town vote stealer)
edocsil (softclaimed town power role)
new guy1 (softclaimed night)
nendreel
Kanin Usagi (claimed day, betiko claimed town mason with betiko)
betiko (claimed town mason with kanin)

[new guy1]

Okay, seriously I am agreeing with either a massclaim or killing someone that will hopefully throw the game into a night phase so we can get SOME information. This is getting really aggravating

[ghostly447]

My vote goes to a mass claim. I cant take these continuous days anymore. O.o

[soundman]

why soundman didn't even vote to try save his ass is above my understanding..

Might not have been scum.

well there wasn't any real case on him except that we didn't know shit about him and that he was probably the least active from the start. If you are a few hours away from being lynched I see no reason not to claim or not to even leave a vote to avoid being lynched as there are 2 double voters.. I think he just gave up because he didn't really had time for this game. I wanted to get a claim from him rather than plainly lynch him, but at least it's not kanin.

I did not give up. I only join games if I have time for them. Why did I not vote? Because I wasn't sure who is scum. Why didn't I claim? Because it wouldn't have made a difference to you. Just so you know I'm a vanilla townie. See? No case against me and a VT claim = no hope for me.

[betiko]

why soundman didn't even vote to try save his ass is above my understanding..

Might not have been scum.

well there wasn't any real case on him except that we didn't know shit about him and that he was probably the least active from the start. If you are a few hours away from being lynched I see no reason not to claim or not to even leave a vote to avoid being lynched as there are 2 double voters.. I think he just gave up because he didn't really had time for this game. I wanted to get a claim from him rather than plainly lynch him, but at least it's not kanin.

I did not give up. I only join games if I have time for them. Why did I not vote? Because I wasn't sure who is scum. Why didn't I claim? Because it wouldn't have made a difference to you. Just so you know I'm a vanilla townie. See? No case against me and a VT claim = no hope for me.

well fair enough soundman, but just because you had little chances of surviving doesn't mean it's not worth trying..

Anyway, I'd say that an important thing right now is that we only have 2 days left and the game is still going. This means that in the worse case scenario, we have 2 mafia left; best case scenario there is just one mafia. 2 shots! so we could eventually be at LYLO at the moment; we know there is a short deadline and at this point I think the massclaim is a good idea. So if everyone agrees, we would need vodean, edoc, new guy and nendreel to claim, they are the last 4 left.

[Iron Butterfly]

I agree. Not much else to do...either that or guess.

[new guy1]

I am completely willing to make that claim when everyone else agrees.

[betiko]

I am completely willing to make that claim when everyone else agrees.

well that makes you, your brother, IB, me, most probably kanin so 5/11 at least; you were the one suggesting the massclaim first and we can't afford to waste 2-3 days asking ourselves if we should do it or not, the deadline is hell of short and we'll need time to take the decision, my guess is that we are at lylo given the title of the day and the scene...

[edocsil]

Day 5, Town Tracker.

Get them out. Don't waste time

[new guy1]

Night 6, Vanilla. I would say its enough to go ahead anyone else not claimed.

[Nendreel]

I still think a mass claim is going to hurt town more than help, but it looks like it's happening anyway.

I am Night 2, Vanilla

[new guy1]

How would it hurt us? We havent had a night this whole time, so we have nothing else we can do. Also, I dont think we are at lylo, i think it just goes with the progression of the game, like if we were actually at day four, day 6 would be lylo, so we would be closing in on the end.

[Nendreel]

How would it hurt us? We havent had a night this whole time, so we have nothing else we can do. Also, I dont think we are at lylo, i think it just goes with the progression of the game, like if we were actually at day four, day 6 would be lylo, so we would be closing in on the end.

It gives mafia a road-map of who to hit so that they can have back-to-back Nights.
We aren't at LYLO yet, but the 2 chances warning most likely refers to me and and you. Once we're dead Day phases can't be triggered anymore.

Actually we may already be too late. If there are two scum left then they can Endgame us even if we lynch one today.
If there is only one left then we have to get them today.

[new guy1]

How would it hurt us? We havent had a night this whole time, so we have nothing else we can do. Also, I dont think we are at lylo, i think it just goes with the progression of the game, like if we were actually at day four, day 6 would be lylo, so we would be closing in on the end.

It gives mafia a road-map of who to hit so that they can have back-to-back Nights.
We aren't at LYLO yet, but the 2 chances warning most likely refers to me and and you. Once we're dead Day phases can't be triggered anymore.

Actually we may already be too late. If there are two scum left then they can Endgame us even if we lynch one today.
If there is only one left then we have to get them today.

And how do you know it will cause back to back nights? Last I checked, that theory is not proven. While I agree we are the last ones that can for a fact keep us in a day phase, I would say that there cant be a way for them to just do back to back nights. I would say that this game is probably mostly lynch based.

[Nendreel]

And how do you know it will cause back to back nights? Last I checked, that theory is not proven. While I agree we are the last ones that can for a fact keep us in a day phase, I would say that there cant be a way for them to just do back to back nights. I would say that this game is probably mostly lynch based.

Let's assume (for the sake of example only) that we lynch Vodean today.
He is Day 1. If he gets lynched we go into Night 1 right?
If, as you assume, the phases are only lynch based what happens when we end Night 1?
We can't go into Day 2 since we already went through Day 2 and lynched NoS. Repeating Day 2 would create a Time Paradox and Doom warned us that those were bad.

[new guy1]

Well, I guess you do have a point there. I was just trying to think outside of the box. But still, I dont think doom would have made all the mafia night because then we could have just lynched all the mafia without giving them a night to kill, so I am assuming there are some day mafia as well. Maybe from the other scene where he said that we had killed one faction but their enemies or whatever were still alive meant that day and night mafias were against each other or something... IDK this is so confusing.

[betiko]

ok here is my new list, in pink are lynched targets and in orange the days that have already happened. There are way too many VTs there.. and a night role given these settings seems wierd.. the thing is that the game having only days may not have happened the way doom was expecting..

day 1: vodean (?)
night 1: PCM (unknown alignment politician, lynched day 6)
day 2: Ghostly (claimed VT)
night 2: nendreel (claimed VT)
day 3: jonty (claimed town vote stealer)
night 3: Soundman (claimed VT, lynched day 5)
day 4: betiko or kanin (claimed town masons)
night 4: NoSurvivors (lynched day 2, VT?)
day 5: Edocsil (claimed town tracker)
night 5: Gregwolf (mafia vote disabler,lynched day 1 100% dead)
day 6: iron butterfly (town? double voter)
night 6: new guy1 (claimed VT)
day 7: betiko or kanin (claimed town masons)

[Kanin Usagi]

ok here is my new list, in pink are lynched targets and in orange the days that have already happened. There are way too many VTs there.. and a night role given these settings seems wierd.. the thing is that the game having only days may not have happened the way doom was expecting..

Probably wasn't expecting us to get mafia day one like that. Our understanding of the game would probably be quite different if we hadn't.

The night action thing IS odd though. We have seen very few (none?) roles that use night time. The only thing a town tracker would be good for is killing roles, and as we've seen there has yet to be a night kill.

[soundman]

Lynch ghostly. He's the only one to claim VT and not be a night.

[betiko]

Lynch ghostly. He's the only one to claim VT and not be a night.

as far as I know you do have the ability to vote..

kanin: gregwolf being a vote disabler, I wonder if it was a day or night role..
Anyway, no one claimed town double voter and we have already seen that we have 2. therefore I think that IB is 100% cleared, no way we have 2 mafia double voters. And I would think the kast one would be a mafia janitor.

to tell the truth I'm pretty sure we've lost this game, we have too little intel and too many potential targets.

[vodean]

actually, im Vt. day one, obviously. so he is not he only one

[jonty125]

Yep, I'm Day 3, Town Vote Stealer. Betiko, why don't you tell us which way round you and kanin are? You've got nothing to lose as between you two you are Days 4 and 7.