Conquer Club

new guy1 wrote:I am completely willing to make that claim when everyone else agrees.

well that makes you, your brother, IB, me, most probably kanin so 5/11 at least; you were the one suggesting the massclaim first and we can't afford to waste 2-3 days asking ourselves if we should do it or not, the deadline is hell of short and we'll need time to take the decision, my guess is that we are at lylo given the title of the day and the scene...

Day 5, Town Tracker.

Get them out. Don't waste time

Night 6, Vanilla. I would say its enough to go ahead anyone else not claimed.

I still think a mass claim is going to hurt town more than help, but it looks like it's happening anyway.

I am Night 2, Vanilla

How would it hurt us? We havent had a night this whole time, so we have nothing else we can do. Also, I dont think we are at lylo, i think it just goes with the progression of the game, like if we were actually at day four, day 6 would be lylo, so we would be closing in on the end.

new guy1 wrote:How would it hurt us? We havent had a night this whole time, so we have nothing else we can do. Also, I dont think we are at lylo, i think it just goes with the progression of the game, like if we were actually at day four, day 6 would be lylo, so we would be closing in on the end.

It gives mafia a road-map of who to hit so that they can have back-to-back Nights.
We aren't at LYLO yet, but the 2 chances warning most likely refers to me and and you. Once we're dead Day phases can't be triggered anymore.

Actually we may already be too late. If there are two scum left then they can Endgame us even if we lynch one today.
If there is only one left then we have to get them today.

Nendreel wrote:

new guy1 wrote:How would it hurt us? We havent had a night this whole time, so we have nothing else we can do. Also, I dont think we are at lylo, i think it just goes with the progression of the game, like if we were actually at day four, day 6 would be lylo, so we would be closing in on the end.

It gives mafia a road-map of who to hit so that they can have back-to-back Nights.
We aren't at LYLO yet, but the 2 chances warning most likely refers to me and and you. Once we're dead Day phases can't be triggered anymore.

Actually we may already be too late. If there are two scum left then they can Endgame us even if we lynch one today.
If there is only one left then we have to get them today.

And how do you know it will cause back to back nights? Last I checked, that theory is not proven. While I agree we are the last ones that can for a fact keep us in a day phase, I would say that there cant be a way for them to just do back to back nights. I would say that this game is probably mostly lynch based.

new guy1 wrote:And how do you know it will cause back to back nights? Last I checked, that theory is not proven. While I agree we are the last ones that can for a fact keep us in a day phase, I would say that there cant be a way for them to just do back to back nights. I would say that this game is probably mostly lynch based.

Let's assume (for the sake of example only) that we lynch Vodean today.
He is Day 1. If he gets lynched we go into Night 1 right?
If, as you assume, the phases are only lynch based what happens when we end Night 1?
We can't go into Day 2 since we already went through Day 2 and lynched NoS. Repeating Day 2 would create a Time Paradox and Doom warned us that those were bad.

Well, I guess you do have a point there. I was just trying to think outside of the box. But still, I dont think doom would have made all the mafia night because then we could have just lynched all the mafia without giving them a night to kill, so I am assuming there are some day mafia as well. Maybe from the other scene where he said that we had killed one faction but their enemies or whatever were still alive meant that day and night mafias were against each other or something... IDK this is so confusing.

ok here is my new list, in pink are lynched targets and in orange the days that have already happened. There are way too many VTs there.. and a night role given these settings seems wierd.. the thing is that the game having only days may not have happened the way doom was expecting..

day 1: vodean (?)
night 1: PCM (unknown alignment politician, lynched day 6)
day 2: Ghostly (claimed VT)
night 2: nendreel (claimed VT)
day 3: jonty (claimed town vote stealer)
night 3: Soundman (claimed VT, lynched day 5)
day 4: betiko or kanin (claimed town masons)
night 4: NoSurvivors (lynched day 2, VT?)
day 5: Edocsil (claimed town tracker)
night 5: Gregwolf (mafia vote disabler,lynched day 1 100% dead)
day 6: iron butterfly (town? double voter)
night 6: new guy1 (claimed VT)
day 7: betiko or kanin (claimed town masons)

betiko wrote:ok here is my new list, in pink are lynched targets and in orange the days that have already happened. There are way too many VTs there.. and a night role given these settings seems wierd.. the thing is that the game having only days may not have happened the way doom was expecting..

Probably wasn't expecting us to get mafia day one like that. Our understanding of the game would probably be quite different if we hadn't.

The night action thing IS odd though. We have seen very few (none?) roles that use night time. The only thing a town tracker would be good for is killing roles, and as we've seen there has yet to be a night kill.

Lynch ghostly. He's the only one to claim VT and not be a night.

soundman wrote:Lynch ghostly. He's the only one to claim VT and not be a night.

as far as I know you do have the ability to vote..

kanin: gregwolf being a vote disabler, I wonder if it was a day or night role..
Anyway, no one claimed town double voter and we have already seen that we have 2. therefore I think that IB is 100% cleared, no way we have 2 mafia double voters. And I would think the kast one would be a mafia janitor.

to tell the truth I'm pretty sure we've lost this game, we have too little intel and too many potential targets.

actually, im Vt. day one, obviously. so he is not he only one

Yep, I'm Day 3, Town Vote Stealer. Betiko, why don't you tell us which way round you and kanin are? You've got nothing to lose as between you two you are Days 4 and 7.

jonty125 wrote:Yep, I'm Day 3, Town Vote Stealer. Betiko, why don't you tell us which way round you and kanin are? You've got nothing to lose as between you two you are Days 4 and 7.

since day 7 is the last day it might have some impact, I don't know. as you see I have deduced you were day 3 so I proved we are in fact day 4 and 7. I don't see how it could help town at all to reveal it, but it could help scum in case day 7 has some importance to end the game, so this will remain an enigma here in public, no point to take the risk.

Otherwise, I just wanted to point out how are mafia night kills is actually a help for town, this just proves it. We have tons of VTs and fake VTs, this game has way too many suspects and I believe we are screwed unless we get terribly lucky. This is pretty much game for mafia after a great start for town... We each have to chose 1 out of 8 instead of 1 out of 4 at this point. Is it really interesting for scum to kill every night if they don't have an anoying PR that can screw them? This game just proves that always using your night kill isn't the best play for mafia.. And that always lynching VTs if there are no good targets is beneficial for town.

personally, it comes down to this:
vodean
ghostly
nendreel
jonty
edoc
new guy

if there are 2 left, it's 1/3 chances not to lose the game... I wouldn't mind kanin and IB to throw in their 2 cents as they are now the 2 I trust..

betiko wrote: but it could help scum in case day 7 has some importance to end the game,

Fair do's.

Nendreel wrote:I still think a mass claim is going to hurt town more than help, but it looks like it's happening anyway.

I am Night 2, Vanilla

I already claimed the exact thing on Game Day 2. Vote nendreel

Misread, though that was day, my bad. Unvote

can we prod players? this is stalling and we are heading directly to a loss here...

betiko wrote:can we prod players? this is stalling and we are heading directly to a loss here...

Normally, I would agree. PCM is the only inactive one though...

soundman wrote:Lynch ghostly. He's the only one to claim VT and not be a night.

wFOS sound, WIFOM - seems like he's trying to get us to do his dirty work.

jonty125 wrote:

soundman wrote:Lynch ghostly. He's the only one to claim VT and not be a night.

wFOS sound, WIFOM - seems like he's trying to get us to do his dirty work.

kind of, I was thinking the same, he's not even voting like throwing a stone and hidding his hand. I hope he was mafia.. seriously though, I don't know about nendreel, more of a gut feeling that anything.

Also vodean has been surprisingly not so scummy this game which is quite odd given his meta.

betiko wrote:

jonty125 wrote:

soundman wrote:Lynch ghostly. He's the only one to claim VT and not be a night.

wFOS sound, WIFOM - seems like he's trying to get us to do his dirty work.

kind of, I was thinking the same, he's not even voting like throwing a stone and hidding his hand. I hope he was mafia.. seriously though, I don't know about nendreel, more of a gut feeling that anything.

Also vodean has been surprisingly not so scummy this game which is quite odd given his meta.

TBH - I would rather cast a vote on sound for that, than vode for not being scummy because being scummy is his meta.

jonty125 wrote:

betiko wrote:

jonty125 wrote:

soundman wrote:Lynch ghostly. He's the only one to claim VT and not be a night.

wFOS sound, WIFOM - seems like he's trying to get us to do his dirty work.

kind of, I was thinking the same, he's not even voting like throwing a stone and hidding his hand. I hope he was mafia.. seriously though, I don't know about nendreel, more of a gut feeling that anything.

Also vodean has been surprisingly not so scummy this game which is quite odd given his meta.

TBH - I would rather cast a vote on sound for that, than vode for not being scummy because being scummy is his meta.

how would lynching soundman for the second consecutive day help? gosh no one is following this game..........