Time Warp Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[new guy1]

I understand, but being a smart ass isnt a crime either.

[new guy1]

Sorry for the double post, its not that Im defending him, I just dont see much there.

[ghostly447]

Betiko, I think you are getting critical because he said it was you or vodean as a best forceful claim.

[Iron Butterfly]

Unvote. Well no one has done anything suspicious yet so that leaves us with a random lynch. It's looking like Vodean is going to be the target at this point. I say if he has an important role then he should claim.

Well if you want to do a random lynch, then why dont you look at Edocsil's alternative? He posted right above you suggesting vodean/betiko and you seem to be settled for just random lynching vodean. Since from past experience vodean wont claim and will likely take the lynch, I would rather look into betiko because if we discover he is a PR or something then we can always gather enough pressure to lynch vodean in the end. This is a relatively silent game, so I guess it needs to start somewhere, vote soundman for being content with a random lynch.

If anything edocils vote is more about self preservation then weeding out scum and he says as much. He has suggested we pick between Vodean and Betiko based on what they "may" say. He suggests they will eventually say something stupid so we may as well lynch them first because we would eventually lynch them anyways.

We have two options. 1) a truly random vote where no one votes and the mod picks randomly
2) let the players decide with their votes.

This game is different as non-votes pile on the person with the most votes. A player with two votes can still die, which means ones vote is even more powerful this game then normal.

So lets talk scum. Vodean has done nothing wrong except having been the recipient of joke votes. he has NO case whatsoever on him. NONE yet three player have kept their votes on him as the deadline approaches knowing their votes were joke votes. THAT is the first scummy thing of importance I have seen.

Edocils is more scummy because he is advocating a lynch on Vodean or Betiko based on something thay have not done and making it sound like a valid reason in doing so.

Vote edocsil

[vodean]

so when i (for once) am not scummy, does that make me scummy? (ah, thats better)

the two cases we have going are
1) betiko. not too much except being betiko (aggro) and trying to get me to claim/pressure jumping/being jumpy
2) edoc. supporting an essentially random lynch, voting simply to try and get a lynch rather than gather info. just because we have to lynch doesnt mean it has to be this instant.
despite them voting eachother i wouldnt rule them out as being scumbuddies.
i'll vote edoc for playing more out of character.

[edocsil]

I would rather die then even bother claiming for the crap that you three think you can pull.

A. Both of my subjects directly OMGUSed. This completely validates my claim that they are the worst players in the game and use little logic for their votes
B. IB, your point is invalid. Idgaf that there is a "case" of jokes on vode, it's irrelevant to my opinion. Call me a Liar if you can, Who has the worst Meta for saying things at the worst of times, and forcing us to hang them?
C.

i'll vote edoc for playing more out of character.

Wtf? This is totally withing my meta. I'm a dick, and I will always sacrifice another player then myself in RL.

[betiko]

I would rather die then even bother claiming for the crap that you three think you can pull.

A. Both of my subjects directly OMGUSed. This completely validates my claim that they are the worst players in the game and use little logic for their votes
B. IB, your point is invalid. Idgaf that there is a "case" of jokes on vode, it's irrelevant to my opinion. Call me a Liar if you can, Who has the worst Meta for saying things at the worst of times, and forcing us to hang them?
C.

i'll vote edoc for playing more out of character.

Wtf? This is totally withing my meta. I'm a dick, and I will always sacrifice another player then myself in RL.

well I guess you'll just have to suck it up cupcake. I think you have one of the worse logics there. If you think that me and vode are the worse players and that you will get OMGUS votes from both of us, your lack of reasoning is pretty funny given this game's mechanics. In a 7 day day 1 where no one dares to make a move there is obviously not going to be an case where logic prevails. It s just plain stupid to go seriously after 2 players at the same time that you know will OMGUS you AND to suggest town a random lynch instead of getting a target to claim. You are suggesting 100% luck insead of reducing this % by getting valuable info. How is that a good play?
and you've said it yourself. "No one wants to be the one to say this I suppose". You therefore knew that that post could get you in some trouble especially in a day 1 yet you did it.

[edocsil]

Betiko, you just used a circular argument. There is nothing random about my suggested lynch (also for the record, I would chose vodean over you, you tend to be a far calmer player. I suggested a culling of the weak so to speak. If I wanted a RL I would have just unvoted and let the night come. If I was scum, that's what I should do anyhow. A RL favors scum and everyone fucking knows it. I want to stop a RL at all costs.

[jonty125]

unvote, vote betiko for suggesting a claim from someone based on jokevotes and voting edoc for being a smart-ass which is not a crime.

I disagree with edoc's logic, but he actually doesn't vote for betiko or vodean he just puts an idea out there.

[NoSurvivors]

Honestly I am at a toss up. I do think edoc has made far better rebuddles than betiko has, but I don't think I want to place a vote yet.. IB was right. your vote means more in this game than in others.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

Kanin Usagi (1) - edocsil
vodean (1) - edoc
edoc (3) - betiko, Iron Butterfly, vodean
soundman (1) - new guy1
soundman (1) - Nendreel
betiko (1) - jonty125

Not Voting - , NoSurvivors, gregwolf121, , Kanin, ghost, pancakemix, soundman

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch (or a majority at deadline).
Deadline is Thursday. (2 days left)

6 players without a vote.
This means 9 players agree to have edocsil lynched on Thursday.

[jonty125]

Honestly I am at a toss up. I do think edoc has made far better rebuddles than betiko has, but I don't think I want to place a vote yet.. IB was right. your vote means more in this game than in others.

Well through not voting, you are supporting a lynch on edoc.

[betiko]

unvote, vote betiko for suggesting a claim from someone based on jokevotes and voting edoc for being a smart-ass which is not a crime.

I disagree with edoc's logic, but he actually doesn't vote for betiko or vodean he just puts an idea out there.

this just makes me laugh. Another example of circular argument as edoc would say. In this game more than any other there isn't going to be time for any case on day 1, scumarining is the best thing to do for everyone. I know all my votes so far have been for stupid reasons (jokevote+post jokevote stages), but you all know that your vote no matter what will be for stupid reasons. A claim will make us start somewhere. I'd rather make someone claim randomly than lynch someone randomly.
Everyone of us is just going to try not to be the one lynched, and it's in our personal interest to bandwagon on someone cause there is little time.
Anyway, here we are again with the stupid and time consuming discution about day 1 claims... We obviously have more chances of killing a townie statistically but at least let's try to learn something, cause we don't have the choice of no lynching.

[ghostly447]

Betiko, you just used a circular argument. There is nothing random about my suggested lynch (also for the record, I would chose vodean over you, you tend to be a far calmer player. I suggested a culling of the weak so to speak. If I wanted a RL I would have just unvoted and let the night come. If I was scum, that's what I should do anyhow. A RL favors scum and everyone fucking knows it. I want to stop a RL at all costs.

Lulwut? Betiko is not a calm player. He ALWAYS jumps at the first sign of a case on him. The game I remember most is Arkham where he claimed bomb. He got such a strong case on him BECAUSE he got pissed at the first sign of a case and started going off on errbody. So with that I Vote Edoc for knowing the only cases today will be made of meta, but yet messing up on the meta of another player by goign 180 degrees in the wrong direction. I dont know why, but you arent seeming like the same player either Edoc. Something jsut doesnt feel right here. Call it my gut, but for whatever reason you just dont seem to be following your meta.

[pancakemix]

Ghostly's correct. You've absolutely got your meta wrong on this one, edoc. Now you're finding out why no one wanted to suggest that kind of thing: it's a one-way ticket to the gallows. Also, saying someone is not likely to contribute is an easy way to get them to vote you.