[Official] Holiday Mafia - Game Over!

[NoSurvivors]

i got a laugh out of superkeener's post

the only person really sticking out at me is betiko, just seems very on edge unvote vote betiko

Lmfao chuck, betiko is always on edge early.

Anyhow you morons are jumping on the new kid for suing sarcasm.. shows a very low tolerance level for it here I guess.. geez usually posts are FILLED with sarcasm but since this is an official game what? Cant lighten up? Especially since he's new..

Nice post man, lol.

[rishaed]

well i'll unvote for now unvote I don't have all that much to add atm. So I think i will either go for a NL at the end of the day, or wait until someone slips.

[MoB Deadly]

I didnt know he was new. For the record I did not see the sarcasm either, but I will back off as well. Looks like little witt checked in too, so my leads are dead.

unvote

[Little Witt]

You guys have to realize that this is my first legit full mafia game. I joined the H P Lovecraft one as a reserve. I know how to play but this D1 stuff is all new to me. Also I've been at my friend's house for the past couple of days watching the NFL football games and playing xbox. I haven't been on the computer more than 15 minutes the past 48 hours. I really don't know how I am supposed to be of any help, as we are still just throwing votes around at random. That's all I have to say.

It's my first legit full mafia game too, but I don't think the learning curve's that steep... In fact, to be honest, I've never played mafia games that start off with a town lynch instead of a mafia kill. But I do know that if nobody threw around any random votes, we'd have a dead thread here, so throwing out stuff at random is more productive than being a silent observer.

...I didn't even have access to the computer for forever so that is not a fair accusation .

[anamainiacks]

You guys have to realize that this is my first legit full mafia game. I joined the H P Lovecraft one as a reserve. I know how to play but this D1 stuff is all new to me. Also I've been at my friend's house for the past couple of days watching the NFL football games and playing xbox. I haven't been on the computer more than 15 minutes the past 48 hours. I really don't know how I am supposed to be of any help, as we are still just throwing votes around at random. That's all I have to say.

It's my first legit full mafia game too, but I don't think the learning curve's that steep... In fact, to be honest, I've never played mafia games that start off with a town lynch instead of a mafia kill. But I do know that if nobody threw around any random votes, we'd have a dead thread here, so throwing out stuff at random is more productive than being a silent observer.

...I didn't even have access to the computer for forever so that is not a fair accusation .

You could've put that as the main point earlier But fair enough, and you're posting pretty actively now anyways, so unvote (:

[superkeener]

Yo I'm back. I'll just "clarify" some for everyone.
YES, the post was sarcastic. I am not new to mafia games, but this is my first CC mafia game.
I guess my posts need a little more details for some of the members out there.

superkeener Post 1:
"One sentence recap. Go."
I was not to lazy to read the post, in fact I knew what the discussion was. I wanted to see if anyone would bite and maybe give a nice little ancedote of what had already been said, in other words, maybe to start some dialogue. It didn't really work. I apologize.

superkeener Post 2:
"Hmmmmmmmmm. I guess the matter is solved. Can we move on?"
This had no sarcasm really. I was just tired of the topic and wanted the discussion to move elsewhere. Maybe I should have written more to help the movement of the discussion. Here I failed, again. I apologize.

superkeener Post 3:
"Vote betiko thats all. I have got to keep to my short meaningless posts."
A straight up retaliation vote. What more can I say? Before this post I had made 2 posts. betiko wanted to base his reasons for voting me on my posts "that says nothing". So with this post, I just kept up with the trend that he attributed to me.

That is all I have posted prior to this post.
Scummy, maybe? However, I don't think so.

[betiko]

ok, I got you were I wanted, really participating and not just pretending to, it really looked like you were too lazy to read and wouldn't let us see deeper in your thinking process, mostly as you are unknown to us. Appologies then, unvote

I don't think I'm in favour of a no lynch though. The problem is that if some players give out gifts do we want to norraow down the options or not? If the gifts can be whatever you want and we send the to mafia it canend up in a 2 night kills...

2 questions to the mod: what happens to the gifts of a killed/lynched player? does the killer/hammerer gets them or do they disapear? can gift givers send gifts to themselves?

[jonty125]

I don't see much in the betiko/Mets battle just blowing hot air.
I don't see anything in the superkeener "case" - it was just sarcasm.

Anything else happened in the last few pages that I haven't commented on?

[anamainiacks]

I don't think I'm in favour of a no lynch though. The problem is that if some players give out gifts do we want to norraow down the options or not? If the gifts can be whatever you want and we send the to mafia it canend up in a 2 night kills...

Hmmm what do you mean by narrowing down the options? Options of what?

[spiesr]

I don't think I'm in favour of a no lynch though. The problem is that if some players give out gifts do we want to norraow down the options or not? If the gifts can be whatever you want and we send the to mafia it canend up in a 2 night kills...

Hmmm what do you mean by narrowing down the options? Options of what?

Presumably he means that by lynching a player today there will be fewer recipients that gifters could gift to. I don't know that this really holds up as for starters, if we end up killing a non-scum player today the of a gift going to scum actually increases. On the other hand the more discussion we have today the better informed the gifters will be about where to send their gifts (in theory at least).

[Little Witt]

I don't think I'm in favour of a no lynch though. The problem is that if some players give out gifts do we want to norraow down the options or not? If the gifts can be whatever you want and we send the to mafia it canend up in a 2 night kills...

Hmmm what do you mean by narrowing down the options? Options of what?

Presumably he means that by lynching a player today there will be fewer recipients that gifters could gift to. I don't know that this really holds up as for starters, if we end up killing a non-scum player today the of a gift going to scum actually increases. On the other hand the more discussion we have today the better informed the gifters will be about where to send their gifts (in theory at least).

I am Gonna Unvote I am to lazy to go back and see if I even voted on rish in the game or the other mafia game but I am not voting on anyone right now.

spiesr's post sounds a bit not scummy, but instead a player who wants to find out who he is giving his gifts to. I think that possible slip might mean spiesr is a gifter. that is my thoughts on his post.

[NoSurvivors]

I don't think I'm in favour of a no lynch though. The problem is that if some players give out gifts do we want to norraow down the options or not? If the gifts can be whatever you want and we send the to mafia it canend up in a 2 night kills...

Hmmm what do you mean by narrowing down the options? Options of what?

Presumably he means that by lynching a player today there will be fewer recipients that gifters could gift to. I don't know that this really holds up as for starters, if we end up killing a non-scum player today the of a gift going to scum actually increases. On the other hand the more discussion we have today the better informed the gifters will be about where to send their gifts (in theory at least).

I am Gonna Unvote I am to lazy to go back and see if I even voted on rish in the game or the other mafia game but I am not voting on anyone right now.

spiesr's post sounds a bit not scummy, but instead a player who wants to find out who he is giving his gifts to. I think that possible slip might mean spiesr is a gifter. that is my thoughts on his post.

Ummm isn't everyone a gifter? *cough* slip *cough*

[MoB Deadly]

*twiddles thumbs* now what?

[betiko]

I don't think I'm in favour of a no lynch though. The problem is that if some players give out gifts do we want to norraow down the options or not? If the gifts can be whatever you want and we send the to mafia it canend up in a 2 night kills...

Hmmm what do you mean by narrowing down the options? Options of what?

Presumably he means that by lynching a player today there will be fewer recipients that gifters could gift to. I don't know that this really holds up as for starters, if we end up killing a non-scum player today the of a gift going to scum actually increases. On the other hand the more discussion we have today the better informed the gifters will be about where to send their gifts (in theory at least).

I am Gonna Unvote I am to lazy to go back and see if I even voted on rish in the game or the other mafia game but I am not voting on anyone right now.

spiesr's post sounds a bit not scummy, but instead a player who wants to find out who he is giving his gifts to. I think that possible slip might mean spiesr is a gifter. that is my thoughts on his post.

Ummm isn't everyone a gifter? *cough* slip *cough*

humm I don't know, maybe kanin isn't for example, he seemed not to be aware of gifts. But given the mechanism, I'd say almost everybody has the gift ability otherwise it would be pretty impossible to get night actions. I would tend to think mafia can send out gifts too to make it more difficult.

2 other questions to mods: if someone gets 2 gifts tonight, can he use an action that night or does he has to wait for the following? are we aware of the gifter if we receive one?

[jonty125]

Ummm isn't everyone a gifter? *cough* slip *cough*

No.

[superkeener]

So some people are gifters, some are not... I am thinking that maybe we roll the dice on D1 with a no lynch. And then when D2 begins, we all wade through the rubble together

oh and UNVOTE

[blakebowling]

2 other questions to mods: if someone gets 2 gifts tonight, can he use an action that night or does he has to wait for the following? are we aware of the gifter if we receive one?

Go ahead and play as if neither of those things happen, I'll talk it over with pcm to be sure (I'm almost certain you won't know the gifter).

[MoB Deadly]

So some people are gifters, some are not... I am thinking that maybe we roll the dice on D1 with a no lynch. And then when D2 begins, we all wade through the rubble together

oh and UNVOTE

annnddd he trips off the scumdar for a second time for me. Why do you suppose we go for a no lynch superkeener?

[Kanin Usagi]

So some people are gifters, some are not... I am thinking that maybe we roll the dice on D1 with a no lynch. And then when D2 begins, we all wade through the rubble together

oh and UNVOTE

annnddd he trips off the scumdar for a second time for me. Why do you suppose we go for a no lynch superkeener?

Probably because its day one and we know next to nothing.

I've never understood why everyone seems to think that a day one no lynch is an awful idea, and why it's scummy to suggest it. The majority of games I've looked through, day one lynches are mislynched, lynch the inactive (who turns up town), or a very lucky lynch because of an inexperienced mafia giving off a big slip.

[Iron Butterfly]

So some people are gifters, some are not... I am thinking that maybe we roll the dice on D1 with a no lynch. And then when D2 begins, we all wade through the rubble together

oh and UNVOTE

annnddd he trips off the scumdar for a second time for me. Why do you suppose we go for a no lynch superkeener?

Probably because its day one and we know next to nothing.

I've never understood why everyone seems to think that a day one no lynch is an awful idea, and why it's scummy to suggest it. The majority of games I've looked through, day one lynches are mislynched, lynch the inactive (who turns up town), or a very lucky lynch because of an inexperienced mafia giving off a big slip.

The reason people act like its scummy is because if the person suggesting it really is mafia a no lynch helps mafia more then Town. Sure there is a high probability of a mislynch on day one BUT that lynch of Townie raises the probability that mafia will be lynched next day.

Mafia meanwhile gets a free night kill without fear of being lynched.

[MoB Deadly]

What happens when we vote no lynch today, get no night results, and start the day off tomorrow? Then we are in the exact same position as today, except mafia got a kill off.

[spiesr]

Here is something to think about in regards to the Day 1 no lynch idea. It is true that on Day 1 there is basically nothing to gone on when deciding on a lynch. A key point is that there are only two ways to avoid this situation playing out the same on Day 2. Either someone has to get a night action result that at least implies someone to be scum, or there has to have been enough discussion from Day 1 that there is something to build off of.
Accordingly, I feel the the result itself of a no lynch occurring on Day 1 isn't inherently that bad. The important part is the path that is taken to reach that point. Day 1 needs to generate a certain amount of discussion. If Day 1 has a lot of discussing with everyone actively contributing and different ideas being brought up and argued about then nobody actually being lynched can still sort of be an "acceptable" result. However, if everyone more or less just agrees to simply go with a no lynch then the Day will truly have been "wasted." Day 1 is really kind of a case where the means are more important than the ends. As such it could maybe be considered scummy to try to move straight to a low discussion no lynch end of the Day, as the pro-town thing to do would be to try to do whatever is takes to make certain that discussion reaches sufficient levels.

[jonty125]

Here is something to think about in regards to the Day 1 no lynch idea. It is true that on Day 1 there is basically nothing to gone on when deciding on a lynch. A key point is that there are only two ways to avoid this situation playing out the same on Day 2. Either someone has to get a night action result that at least implies someone to be scum, or there has to have been enough discussion from Day 1 that there is something to build off of.
Accordingly, I feel the the result itself of a no lynch occurring on Day 1 isn't inherently that bad. The important part is the path that is taken to reach that point. Day 1 needs to generate a certain amount of discussion. If Day 1 has a lot of discussing with everyone actively contributing and different ideas being brought up and argued about then nobody actually being lynched can still sort of be an "acceptable" result. However, if everyone more or less just agrees to simply go with a no lynch then the Day will truly have been "wasted." Day 1 is really kind of a case where the means are more important than the ends. As such it could maybe be considered scummy to try to move straight to a low discussion no lynch end of the Day, as the pro-town thing to do would be to try to do whatever is takes to make certain that discussion reaches sufficient levels.

I have played on mafia sites where NL on D1 is the trend and without the discussion, D1 is like D2, which is like D3 etc.

[betiko]

i personally think in general it's not such a bad thing if a day 1 ends up in an accidental vt lynch. you are still narrowing down options to find scum and you get lots of info on pople's reactions. I mean if we put pressure on someone and he claims vt, I'd rather lynch him than give him a second chance. if he turns out pr then he has to do something that could clear him for the next day.
but in this game vts are probably gift givers, which are essential for town so I think all roles count.

here is a question to everyone: if you guys get enough gifts for an action tonight, what would be the first type of action you would use?

[jonty125]

i personally think in general it's not such a bad thing if a day 1 ends up in an accidental vt lynch. you are still narrowing down options to find scum and you get lots of info on pople's reactions. I mean if we put pressure on someone and he claims vt, I'd rather lynch him than give him a second chance. if he turns out pr then he has to do something that could clear him for the next day.
but in this game vts are probably gift givers, which are essential for town so I think all roles count.

here is a question to everyone: if you guys get enough gifts for an action tonight, what would be the first type of action you would use?

Cop.