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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:41 pm

Gustaf Wasa wrote:Ouch. Even though theChuck was our opponent (Ding dong, the Warlock is dead!) I have to sympathize with him. That is not a nice picture to see in your inbox unprepared. I don't know what story that is from, but I can imagine a wicked king sitting in his icy castle somewhere near the North Pole, plotting his invasion of Santa's toy shop. Probably Norwegian.

On to business! I wasn't roleblocked yesterday. Was it because the Mafia tried to kill me instead and were stopped by the Doc? Luckily we can ask one of them directly. My investigation revealed this: Iron Butterfly is Mafia.

vote Iron Butterfly


This sounds beautiful.

I think this clears mets and makes Betiko look extremely suspect.

Either Betiko, or animaniacs who visited me the same night my gifts were stolen.

you know no one has to tell me to vote for IB twice ever since that escapade at the end of Day 2.

unvote vote Iron Butterfly
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:44 pm

Hold the phone though!!!

This makes Betiko look better than he has though.

Iron Butterfly STARTED the case on Betiko on Day 3 and forced a claim.

No night actions have been confirmed from Betiko, if we could get one that could possibly put him on the town list.

If IB flips scum, its looking like 50/50 betiko/animaniacs.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:51 pm

This is all interesting. Before I vote IB, I want to hear from both betiko and little witt regarding their night actions.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:54 pm

God I suck at making 1 post.

I guess, the no kill COULD have been faked to make mets look clear as well. So mets cannot be taken off the list.

If IB is the gift stealer, then Betko or Mets is most likely gift stealer, and animaniacs is clear.
If IB is NOT gift stealer, then Betiko, Mets, and animaniacs are on the list. With emphasis on animaniacs and Betiko in my opinion.

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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:56 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:God I suck at making 1 post.

I guess, the no kill COULD have been faked to make mets look clear as well. So mets cannot be taken off the list.

If IB is the gift stealer, then Betko or Mets is most likely Mafia Roleblocker, and animaniacs is clear.
If IB is NOT gift stealer, then Betiko, Mets, and animaniacs are on the list to be a gift stealer. With emphasis on animaniacs.

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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby rishaed on Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:27 pm

Looks pretty solid, vote Iron Butterfly
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Iron Butterfly on Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:41 pm

Hold your horses.

No one finds it odd what so ever that the two primary suspecsts, being Mets and Betiko were not investigated??

Buncha sheep.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby anamainiacks on Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:57 pm

I would vote for IB too, but since he's already at L-2, I think we should see what he has to say in his first.

Iron Butterfly wrote:Hold your horses.

No one finds it odd what so ever that the two primary suspecsts, being Mets and Betiko were not investigated??

Buncha sheep.

What're you trying to say? That Gustaf is their accomplice? I don't see there being 2 Mafia Cops, and Gustaf/Nendreel has already pretty much confirmed his role claim when he correctly called out spiesr for being a 3rd Party on D1.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Gustaf Wasa on Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:17 pm

MoB Deadly wrote:Hold the phone though!!!

This makes Betiko look better than he has though.

Iron Butterfly STARTED the case on Betiko on Day 3 and forced a claim.

The post MoB is referring to, IB starting the case against Betiko, can be found here, on page 32:
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Although IB also unvoted Betiko with an explanation for that, on page 38. (Who says I don't read up on the thread, hmm?)

Iron Butterfly wrote:Hold your horses.

No one finds it odd what so ever that the two primary suspecsts, being Mets and Betiko were not investigated??

Buncha sheep.


A valid point, except for the sheep part. As a snowman I shy away from sheep, they would eat my carrot nose.

I didn't investigate Metsfanmax and Betiko because with theChuck exposed as Mafia, they are targets anyway. One of them is probably Mafia and he won't get away.

Fearing that I could be night killed at some point, I wanted to use my investigative power elsewhere while I still could. Because when the Mets/Betiko scum is gone, town will have no more strong leads.

My investigation was a few days ago, and it is after midnight now, I can't remember exactly what it was that made me investigate you ... except for one of the things, namely that you claim to be a "gift doubler", doubling the number of gifts given you. Almost everyone else has a role that can be verified by others at some point: roleblocker, cop, gift giver, the guy with the crazy giveaway ghost voice. Yours was a convenient non-verifiable claim for scum, I thought. Turns out I was right.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby betiko on Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:29 pm

I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:22 pm

betiko wrote:I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.


Wait, what? No one has yet revealed whether or not they received a gift. Per MoB's request, we are all waiting for you to claim you who sent your gift to, at which point this person can confirm or deny having received a gift. This is pretty straightforward. No one is going to take you seriously if you aren't going to put your cards on the table and attempt to prove that you are town.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:25 pm

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betiko wrote:I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.


Wait, what? No one has yet revealed whether or not they received a gift. Per MoB's request, we are all waiting for you to claim you who sent your gift to, at which point this person can confirm or deny having received a gift. This is pretty straightforward. No one is going to take you seriously if you aren't going to put your cards on the table and attempt to prove that you are town.


That being said, even if the person you claim as your target confirms receiving a gift, that does not clear you as town. Little Witt could have sent that person a gift as well (and he should speak to this effect if this comes to pass), and you could just be guessing on the hopes that, with only 7 players to send gifts to, the one you pick will be one of his five. Or, you could just have your mafia buddy "confirm" receiving a gift from you. But telling us who you gifted can go a long way towards clearing your name if you're telling the truth.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby betiko on Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:31 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
betiko wrote:I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.


Wait, what? No one has yet revealed whether or not they received a gift. Per MoB's request, we are all waiting for you to claim you who sent your gift to, at which point this person can confirm or deny having received a gift. This is pretty straightforward. No one is going to take you seriously if you aren't going to put your cards on the table and attempt to prove that you are town.


That being said, even if the person you claim as your target confirms receiving a gift, that does not clear you as town. Little Witt could have sent that person a gift as well (and he should speak to this effect if this comes to pass), and you could just be guessing on the hopes that, with only 7 players to send gifts to, the one you pick will be one of his five. Or, you could just have your mafia buddy "confirm" receiving a gift from you. But telling us who you gifted can go a long way towards clearing your name if you're telling the truth.


I know the person didn't receive it, and that's for you to find out why.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Gustaf Wasa on Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:41 pm

betiko wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
betiko wrote:I can only say that someone knows my night action and that it hasn't been verified. I suspect that the roleblock was on me.


Wait, what? No one has yet revealed whether or not they received a gift. Per MoB's request, we are all waiting for you to claim you who sent your gift to, at which point this person can confirm or deny having received a gift. This is pretty straightforward. No one is going to take you seriously if you aren't going to put your cards on the table and attempt to prove that you are town.


That being said, even if the person you claim as your target confirms receiving a gift, that does not clear you as town. Little Witt could have sent that person a gift as well (and he should speak to this effect if this comes to pass), and you could just be guessing on the hopes that, with only 7 players to send gifts to, the one you pick will be one of his five. Or, you could just have your mafia buddy "confirm" receiving a gift from you. But telling us who you gifted can go a long way towards clearing your name if you're telling the truth.


I know the person didn't receive it, and that's for you to find out why.


I can shed some light on the situation. From page 53, D4:

betiko wrote:By the way: calling edoc for message delivery tonight. I m not quite certain how this works but I want to send a gift to someone and let edoc or Witt know who I m sending it to in private!


The message was for me. Pancakemix told me that I received a letter carried by S.D. Kluger, edocsil's claimed role. The message was signed "B. AKA Mrs Claus", Betiko's claimed role.

The letter said...

...that I probably wouldn't be killed during the night as I was going strong against Betiko and Metsfanmax and the other Mafia would want my vote

...that I would receive a present to prove Betiko's innocence, unless he was roleblocked

...that he suggested a stunt to start the day. I should not reveal this letter and I should deny receiving the gift. But I should signal to Betiko either (a) that I got the letter and a gift by using the word "frosty" in my first D5 post, or (b) that I got the letter but not a gift by using the word "icy" in my first D5 post.

I got to say, I am a sucker for secret trickery, so of course I included icy in my first post, in the most-cleverestest way I could think of. Besides, I wanted to see what Betiko would do with it.

Unfortunately this doesn't prove anything. Betiko could have done it even while being scum, to convince me that he was trying to prove his innocence. But why should I not tell anyone about the letter and the gift? And that is one more time that Betiko's gift-giving hasn't been confirmed.


Not to worry, though. Since my investigation showed Iron Butterfly as Mafia, we lynch him today, and hopefully he is the Mafia's roleblocker. Should Betiko be a town gift giver he can then send a gift to me or someone else to prove his innocence.

I doubt that there are more than three Mafia in the game, not when we have so many Third Party. theChuck, Iron Butterfly and Metsfanmax/Betiko should do nicely. Let's pelt them with snowballs before the snow melts outside my window and takes away the mood.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:58 pm

Why wouldn't we be sheep? We have no reason to distrust Gustaf whatsoever. :roll:

Lol conveniently Betiko was roleblocked, instead of Little witt who can gift multiple people at once.

Or hey if I was mafia I would think I should roleblock Mets so that my kill could process.
Unless that was the plan, knowing we would conjecture that Mets would "not perform a kill" to prove his doctor ability.

So much WIFOM.

Either way. If Mets protects Gustaf again, he can investigate Betiko tonight and he should live to tell the tale.

Someone should be able to have 2 gifts to cash in for a cop investigation or watcher role.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:55 pm

Ok, thanks for the update Gustaf. I don't think there's anything more useful we can do today, so

vote Iron Butterfly.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Iron Butterfly on Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:58 pm

Hold off on the lynch. I Can prove I am Town as I was given a day ability.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Gustaf Wasa on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:29 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:Hold off on the lynch. I Can prove I am Town as I was given a day ability.

Is it Stalling?
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby betiko on Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:45 am

Even if Gustaf is likely telling the truth, I d like at least all game participants to have time to speak. I d like to prove no one else was roleblocked for example so it had to be me, also who got his presents stolen ect...
IB, if you have something to prove your innocence, you are not making it very credible by not telling it naturally and immediately, a bit like mets.
By the way, bad move not to kill anyone last night. You guys couldn't t roleblock, gift steal and kill? :p
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby MoB Deadly on Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:23 am

Gustaf Wasa wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Hold off on the lynch. I Can prove I am Town as I was given a day ability.

Is it Stalling?


He is just going to fog up the game. It is actually better to lynch him now before he can play mind games with us.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby anamainiacks on Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:44 am

Well since he's going to be lynched, I thought I'd just lay the cards on the table.

I gifted IB on the most recent night. Why? Because I do believe nobody has gifted him for the entire game. (Let's be honest, he has done nothing to prove his townie-ness, and all the claimed gifters haven't mentioned him at all.) And if his claim were true, giving him a gift would be a plus for the townies, since he'd be able to trade in as a gift doubler. However if he were scum and used that as a fake claim, he wouldn't be able to trade it in, since he'd only have 1 gift. It was a calculated risk, I admit; but one that could have had the potential to help us.

I don't know if he'd confirm the gifting to make it look like we're in cahoots (if he turns scum), or deny it to try and throw a case onto me. I understand this might throw a great deal of suspicion on me, but I'd rather get this out in the open sooner than later, and have it seem all the more suspicious then.

Also, did nobody get gift stolen tonight? Or was chuck the one with the gift stealing ability? O.o Or is there yet another 3rd party keeping quiet all this while or something?
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby betiko on Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:57 am

i mostly wanna know who got his gift stolen and who got blocked. Chuck said the truth, he's the diviner. Chuck performed the kill on night 3/NOS from the scene. that's the night he supposedly rolecoped mets. what a coincidence..
question, what do we do if ib turns town? doesn't mean gustaf is scum, he could just be an insane cop or he might have been framed... We have all interest in taking tha gamble that this result is correct.
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D4 [10/16] No More Toymakers

Postby betiko on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:31 pm

killed/out of the game:

show: jonty

show: superkeener

show: Kanin Usagi

show: Soundman

show: Spiesr

show: NoSurvivors

show: thechuck51

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claims:

show: nendreel-gustaf

show: betiko

show: Little Witt

show: Mob deadly

show: rishaed

show: edocsil

show: anamainiacks

show: Iron Butterfly

show: Metsfanmax

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from scenes
show: abominable snowman


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I think I have compiled there all common knowledge. Please add any common knowledge I may have forgotten, or reveal what you did each night. If you think it's best not to, please give your reasons.[/quote]
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - Night 2 [14/16] Unhappy New Y

Postby betiko on Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:35 pm

pancakemix wrote:"Come" they told him, "come here, you will be safe". The little boy pondered the invitation for a moment. It seemed suspicious. Then he nodded, and his lamb kept time as he pa-rum-pum-pum-pummed his way through the snow. He had no gift to bring, but his drum would honor those who heard it. But the only pounding that would come would be the pounding of the villain's beating him to death, and another child became a Christmas casualty.

Kanin Usagi, Aaron, The Little Drummer Boy, Town Inspiration has ben killed!

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(Kanin could gift a temporary gift, which would last only for one day/night cycle)

It is now Day 3. You have until Feb. 22 to determine a lynch. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.



just showing again the night 2 scene, unfortunately we don't know which character performed that kill...
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Re: [Official] Holiday Mafia - D5 [9/16] Silent Night

Postby Gustaf Wasa on Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:31 pm

Looks like Betiko is pulling out all the stops. Iron Butterfly asked for more time because he has a day action, he says; I guess the day action was to let Betiko talk as much as possible. Their only hope is to get a long discussion started about something other than the fact that Iron Butterfly is Mafia.

IB turned up Mafia in investigation. Can't get away from that one. If we want to have more WIFOM discussions, talk about blocks and gifts and think our hardest about past night kills and lynches and more, we can do it the coming day when we have one less Mafia posting. And then Iron Butterfly can tell us why no one received a gift from him, fifth night in a row. That will be fun!
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