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What exactly don't you think is the case, and why not?DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, it seems that soundman hid behind someone.
So, normally if a hider hides behind mafia, they die. Or if the person they hide behind is killed, they died.
Now, if the first case is true, there would have been 2 deaths, or a roleblock last night, and I don't think that is the case.
spiesr wrote:All right from the scene it strongly looks like Soundman hid behind scum last Night, and that the normal mafia kill failed for some reason. The standard reasons for such a kill to fail are : doctor protection, roleblock, or bulletproof. Now, how do we figure out which it was?What exactly don't you think is the case, and why not?DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, it seems that soundman hid behind someone.
So, normally if a hider hides behind mafia, they die. Or if the person they hide behind is killed, they died.
Now, if the first case is true, there would have been 2 deaths, or a roleblock last night, and I don't think that is the case.
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spiesr wrote:All right from the scene it strongly looks like Soundman hid behind scum last Night, and that the normal mafia kill failed for some reason. The standard reasons for such a kill to fail are : doctor protection, roleblock, or bulletproof. Now, how do we figure out which it was?What exactly don't you think is the case, and why not?DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, it seems that soundman hid behind someone.
So, normally if a hider hides behind mafia, they die. Or if the person they hide behind is killed, they died.
Now, if the first case is true, there would have been 2 deaths, or a roleblock last night, and I don't think that is the case.
Later that night, in the Mafia Cave. The mafia discussed the results of the night, while dawn was approaching. Plan A had failed but not all was lost, due to an Italian, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
DoomYoshi wrote:Later that night, in the Mafia Cave. The mafia discussed the results of the night, while dawn was approaching. Plan A had failed but not all was lost, due to an Italian, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
This implies to me that the mafia had a proactive kill, although on second reading it doesn't seem as clear.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
I think you are reading way too much into the single word "passively" from the wiki entry.Iron Butterfly wrote:Soundman did not die "passivly"
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider
He was brutally killed with a knife to the heart so this is not just him hiding behind a non town role.
Nebuchadnezer wrote:Holy cow! You guys really know how to overanalyze! Keep it simple! He was a hider and hid behind mafia. Done. Let's move on.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
Nebuchadnezer wrote:Holy cow! You guys really know how to overanalyze! Keep it simple! He was a hider and hid behind mafia. Done. Let's move on.
DoomYoshi wrote:Nebuchadnezer wrote:Holy cow! You guys really know how to overanalyze! Keep it simple! He was a hider and hid behind mafia. Done. Let's move on.
Let's. Who did he hide behind? If we can figure that out, we can figure out who is mafia. Not that we will have 100% from this analysis or anything, it just might help us narrow down the search.
rishaed wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Later that night, in the Mafia Cave. The mafia discussed the results of the night, while dawn was approaching. Plan A had failed but not all was lost, due to an Italian, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
This implies to me that the mafia had a proactive kill, although on second reading it doesn't seem as clear.
This sounds like the NK failed, however since soundman hid behind scum he died. Thus Plan A "failed" but not all was lost. I'm not sure if I should say who i protected last night though. If I was mafia I would have tried a NK on Neb. (the whole he's lying mistake). We may have quite a few protective roles/ or all protective roles could be out. I honestly don't know what to think.
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pancakemix wrote:Anyone else think it's strange that the mafia didn't even go after the claimed doc? I mean, yeah, WIFOM and all that, but really...
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
pancakemix wrote:Anyone else think it's strange that the mafia didn't even go after the claimed doc? I mean, yeah, WIFOM and all that, but really...
thechuck51 wrote:pancakemix wrote:Anyone else think it's strange that the mafia didn't even go after the claimed doc? I mean, yeah, WIFOM and all that, but really...
Yes, I do. thats why I would like some clarification from the mod regarding the night scenes and whether or not saves/blocks that are directly related to kill attempts would be in the scene.
If soundman hid behind mafia it explains his death but without evidence of a save we can't tell why there was not a mafia kill.
If mafia killed soundman, how did they if he was a hider? perhaps he didn't send an action in? or maybe one of the randomly selected roles for this game interferes with the hiding mechanic in some way, like he had his night action stolen or something, but wouldn't that be in the scene?
fastposted by edoc...
the doc would be tracked or did you mean the doc would be watched? it still doesn't explain why there was no apparent mafia kill (assuming soundman died because he hid behind mafia)
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, I looked up the mechanics. He was from everywhere's Italian mafia. Saf had that role and died because he hid behind scum. Unfortunately, the role PM wasn't listed after the game.
I think that rules out though that my original interpretation was wrong.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
thechuck51 wrote:Question for the mod:
If there was a save or roleblock or any other action that would directly prevent a kill would it be reflected in the scene?
Do we know that they didn't attempt to?pancakemix wrote:Anyone else think it's strange that the mafia didn't even go after the claimed doc? I mean, yeah, WIFOM and all that, but really...
jonty125 wrote:thechuck51 wrote:Question for the mod:
If there was a save or roleblock or any other action that would directly prevent a kill would it be reflected in the scene?
No.
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