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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby gregwolf121 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:00 pm

pancake who did you try to watch on N2
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:00 pm

thechuck51 wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:I did not lie. Think about it. Kanin gave me the tracker ability...that's what his role did. Pancake didn't lie either.
I'm not sold on edoc.s claim. It's a convenient way for him to get night kills, without added suspicion. However, I can let him slide for now.

so what were you doing visiting me?


I can tell you what I was NOT doing...I was NOT killing you. :)
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby spiesr on Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:21 am

Nebuchadnezer wrote:I can tell you what I was NOT doing...I was NOT killing you. :)
But, what sort of action would you have where it would make sense to target Chuck last night?
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:10 am

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Nebuchadnezer wrote:I can tell you what I was NOT doing...I was NOT killing you. :)
But, what sort of action would you have where it would make sense to target Chuck last night?

I can't answer that without giving away my role.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby rishaed on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:46 am

I think i figured it out though. Took a few hints for me to catch it.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby pancakemix on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:34 am

So let's break this down:

2. rishaed - Parker, Bodyguard (Alien) (inclined to believe him, told truth about bus)
7. pancakemix - Rigger, Watcher (Pirate's Life) (It's me. Confirmed by Neb)
10. spieser - Roleblocker (PKMN Ch. 2) (Did block me N2)
11. thechuck51 - Bus gifter (Rolegift 2) (Confirmed)
5. edocsil - Vilkas, 2-shot vig (Skyrim) (Sems sketchy. Blocked and no kill, claimed vig and spoke in hypotheticals about it before)

8. crazymilkshake5 replaced by Nebuchadnezer - unclaimed (Didn't lie about visiting chuck, so may or may not be trustworthy. I'm inclined to think he is.)
6. gregwolf121 - unclaimed (nothing)

Considering this, edoc is likely to be scum. Vote Edoc

Everyone remaining seems to be pretty airtight, at least as far as no one seems to be making anything up. That leaves greg as the last remaining unconfirmed. He seems to be scum by process of elimination unless somebody's fibbing.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby spiesr on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:52 pm

I am in favor of lynching edoc'sil at this point. Is there anything else we need to cover before I hammer?
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:54 pm

pancakemix wrote:So let's break this down:

2. rishaed - Parker, Bodyguard (Alien) (inclined to believe him, told truth about bus)
7. pancakemix - Rigger, Watcher (Pirate's Life) (It's me. Confirmed by Neb)
10. spieser - Roleblocker (PKMN Ch. 2) (Did block me N2)
11. thechuck51 - Bus gifter (Rolegift 2) (Confirmed)
5. edocsil - Vilkas, 2-shot vig (Skyrim) (Sems sketchy. Blocked and no kill, claimed vig and spoke in hypotheticals about it before)

8. crazymilkshake5 replaced by Nebuchadnezer - unclaimed (Didn't lie about visiting chuck, so may or may not be trustworthy. I'm inclined to think he is.)
6. gregwolf121 - unclaimed (nothing)

Considering this, edoc is likely to be scum. Vote Edoc

Everyone remaining seems to be pretty airtight, at least as far as no one seems to be making anything up. That leaves greg as the last remaining unconfirmed. He seems to be scum by process of elimination unless somebody's fibbing.


This is what I've been rattling around in my head the past few days. I can't honestly say that any of our claims don't add up. There are scenarios and suggestions that can be made with each of the claimed players, but they require leaps of faith (like, spiesr could really be a mafia roleblocker, and chose not to make a kill last night to set up edoc, or rishaed is not a bodyguard, as he refuses to be forthright with his information the next day, etc, etc.). Out of the players left, pancake and thechuck seem to have the best claims that have been backed up and verified.

So, I will go ahead and vote edoc. That'll be the hammer, so I hope I'm right on this.

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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby edocsil on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:19 pm

You are of course. My faction only had 2 members and no abilities besides the kill. I contemplated just surrendering after the block, but I figured I had a shot. I didn't look at my early play when I was looking for a a fake, something that has proved to cost me. If the game isn't over with my death look at greg. I suspect there is a cult, so also look for players who have not been able to verify their last actions. I had hoped to steer the town towards that once I was clear of the current case, and become more of the "town" hero, but oh well.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby rishaed on Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:22 pm

edocsil wrote:You are of course. My faction only had 2 members and no abilities besides the kill. I contemplated just surrendering after the block, but I figured I had a shot. I didn't look at my early play when I was looking for a a fake, something that has proved to cost me. If the game isn't over with my death look at greg. I suspect there is a cult, so also look for players who have not been able to verify their last actions. I had hoped to steer the town towards that once I was clear of the current case, and become more of the "town" hero, but oh well.

Your initial post on the case after doom was well made. That alone convinced me that you were town. If it wasn't for the fact that you randomly voted chuck in the run-off I don't know if I would have ever voted you.
So well played. =D>
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby jonty125 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:49 am

edocsil - Jack (Mafia Goon) has been lynched.

rishaed - Parker (Town Bodyguard) has won
gregwolf121 - Vanilla (Vanilla Townie) has won
pancakemix - Rigger (Town Watcher) has won
Nebuchadnezer - Doc (Town Doctor) has won
spieser - Date Masamune (Town Roleblocker) has won
thechuck51 - Busdrive Gifter (Busdrive Gifter) has won
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby jonty125 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:00 am

show: Day One


show: Night One


show: Day Two


show: Night Two


show: Day Three


show: Night Three
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby rishaed on Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:30 pm

Ooh! Spiesr good job blocking your killer N1! It really helped. (that and mafia botched their fakeclaims) I would have never suspected edoc. And I really did figure out that Neb was a Doc! So happy we didn't force his claim. That being said mafia was way under powered with so many protection roles in the mix
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby rishaed on Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:32 pm

Hmm and y did hank lie about his N1 action??
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:58 pm

Good game all.

Watcher 2 doc and a bodyguard is an uphill battle for any mafia.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:38 pm

Wow...quite a bit unbalanced for mafia. Good game!
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby Iron Butterfly on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:14 am

So why is it i am Town and lose again? I was a VT with no powers. What is the sense of that?

Thank God I was killed day one.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby spiesr on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 am

Two goons was really not balanced for the mafia. (At least with so many protective roles on the town side.) Edoc'sil was basically screwed once Doom Yoshi was lynched. His own hope would have been to come up with an absolutely airtight claim.
Iron Butterfly wrote:So why is it i am Town and lose again? I was a VT with no powers. What is the sense of that?

Thank God I was killed day one.
Unless your PM said otherwise I would assume you won when the rest of the town did.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby jonty125 on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:50 am

You didn't lose.

All dead town won as well. I forgot to put it in the scene.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby rishaed on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:16 am

Would have been interesting with more people. I think that eventually with more people it would have become more balanced.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby jonty125 on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:33 am

Mafia would of needed, 4 more players until they got Swab, Mafia Framer.

Player 13 - Lilith (Town Overzealous Roleblocker)
Player 14 - The "Pauper" (Third Party Jester)
Player 15 - Forever Alone (Town Tree Stump)
Player 16 - Swab (Mafia Framer)
Player 17 - Michael (Town Cop)
Player 18 - Joleton (Town Bulletproof)
Player 19 - New Boy Dan (Vanilla Townie)
Player 20 - Erik Turner (Vanilla Townie)
Player 21 - Juilet Capulet (Third Party 1-shot Reviver, Mason, Lover)
Player 22 - John (Town Doctor)
Player 23 - Cop (Town Cop)
Player 24 - Arsenic (Mafia Goon)
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:03 pm

For future years, it might best to generate the random list and the scroll through until you find a gap of 12 players that seems to be balanced. This will still result in a random mixing, but will also have a control built in for situations like this and in cases with no mafia for example.

BTW, I don't mean that I played well and only lost because of the setup. I am just saying that in addition to my screw-up, the setup didn't help.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby jonty125 on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:10 pm

I did consider that, but I didn't know how much work it would be, so I went for blind random.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

Postby edocsil on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:16 pm

Yeah, that was only going to go one way. If this were done again alignment should be predetermined and then roles randomly from the appropriate category (scum/3rd/town/whatever) This could help balance quite a bit.
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