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DoomYoshi wrote:Aage, I am playing same as I always do. Maybe a bit bitchier than normal.
So my crime switched from only posting one-liners to posting too much?
"getting us nowhere"
-Not true. I got us to a wagon. I am probably going to get us to a lynch. Where else do you want me to get us to? Also, why is the entire weight of where we go on me? Why can't I passively sit back and let the wagon go where others want to steer?
If I was scum, then me directing town would be worse. If you think I am scum, you should be glad I am getting us nowhere because anywhere scum takes us is bad.
Iron Butterfly wrote:"I don't know. Superkeener's attitude is characteristic of bad play, not necessarily bad intent. Why would anyone not bother to defend themselves?"
You keep saying this as if it means something without considering the psychological aspects of weather he is Town or mafia.
If you are going to keep using this as an argument to defend Superkeener you need to explain what exactly is "characteristic" of bad play and more importantly how can you determine "intent" if you do not know alignment?
DoomYoshi wrote:So no matter what I am scum, eh, aage. This is the most vacuous and vapid case I have been subjected to in a long time.
DoomYoshi wrote:So no matter what I am scum, eh, aage. This is the most vacuous and vapid case I have been subjected to in a long time.
aage wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:So no matter what I am scum, eh, aage. This is the most vacuous and vapid case I have been subjected to in a long time.
Prove me wrong. Or prove anything at all, for that matter. You say that my accusation is wrong, explain why. The one-liner isn't going to cut it, actually it's typical for your scummy plays in this game.
No, the truth is you won't defend yourself because you can't. I called you on this and there's no excuse. Is there?
aage wrote:Shall we get on with it, then?
Doom, you've made six posts within two days (and incidentally also two pages) and therefore you get my vote.
unvote, vote DoomYoshi
aage wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:@saf: my flip may tell you something. My claim doesn't.
Then we might as well just lynch you and Keener and everyone else, right?
Doom, you're not making a hell of a lot of sense and you completely ignored my plead for giving actual defenses. Do you want to have a case on you? Because right now you're wasting town time. That justifies a vote DoomYoshi at this point.
aage wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Aage, I am playing same as I always do. Maybe a bit bitchier than normal.
So my crime switched from only posting one-liners to posting too much?
"getting us nowhere"
-Not true. I got us to a wagon. I am probably going to get us to a lynch. Where else do you want me to get us to? Also, why is the entire weight of where we go on me? Why can't I passively sit back and let the wagon go where others want to steer?
If I was scum, then me directing town would be worse. If you think I am scum, you should be glad I am getting us nowhere because anywhere scum takes us is bad.
Oh, scum rarely directs town. They haven't the guts.
But you have indeed given us two wagons. One is on superkeener, yes you started it, and I already told you why I don't favour it. The other is on you. I doubt you're referring to that one, because getting yourself lynched is never good.
You are right on the latter part of your post though, that's why I don't really think superkeener to be scum. Even for scum, why would anyone deliberately and publicly be such a pain in the ass to town? Cause I don't know, and I have no reason to believe this is a setup.Iron Butterfly wrote:"I don't know. Superkeener's attitude is characteristic of bad play, not necessarily bad intent. Why would anyone not bother to defend themselves?"
You keep saying this as if it means something without considering the psychological aspects of weather he is Town or mafia.
If you are going to keep using this as an argument to defend Superkeener you need to explain what exactly is "characteristic" of bad play and more importantly how can you determine "intent" if you do not know alignment?
I already told you, I don't care whether superkeener dies. But:
"Not only [is Doom] probably more dangerous, but [he is] also more likely to actually be scum."
Tell me about the psychological aspects. Why would town be a public pain in the ass to town? Why would scum be a public pain in the ass to town? It's probably a load of wifom, but if you ignore that the conclusion seems clear, because neither question has a good answer. Therefore him being a pain in the ass right now doesn't tell us anything about his alignment, only about his level of play. And it's low, I'll grant you, but we don't string up people because we dislike them. We string them up because we think they're scum.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
If you wish to avoid No Lynch you should vote for one or the other very quickly.edocsil wrote:Bah. I hate NL. Same thoughts as Spiesr, but I really think you guys have a hard on for hanging Doom mainly because he was a dick.
Iron Butterfly wrote:Your answer is a non answer.
One could also be a bad player with mafia alignment.
Well, yes. I'm not accusing you of being town.You haven't accused me of anything other than of being scum.
Answers in the quote. Concerning day 1, you may have noticed I followed your case on Neb that day. Similarly, I have actually aided you in your case against Superkeener for several pages until I realised it had nothing to do with his alignment. How does that constitute to having had a "hard-on" for you since day one?a) How am I not making sense? Which part would you like me to clarify? Do you really need an explanation of how my claim doesn't actually tell you anything? Is this why you are voting me? I meant your case was bad. I apologise if that was unclear, as I've only said it all the time.
b) Completely ignored? What plea? I have reread your entire post history up-to-this-point twice now and there is not a single plea anywhere, for anything. You don't accuse me of anything at any point and therefore there is nothing I can do to offer a defense. I wasn't the first to vote for you though. You ignored those previous votes easily enough. I never said it was my case against you, that only came in when I voted for you during this day.
c) You ask if I want to have a case on me. Yes, I do. I would rather there be a case so I would have something to defend against than having absolutely nothing. I take it you read my post, since you're quoting it. I believe the argument to be quite clear.
d) Explain better how I am wasting town time. less than 8 hours on the clock and still no consensus to lynch. If you were serious about accusing Superkeener, you would've put in more effort, and more words. Instead you wait for a few people to join your cause, and then take your own vote off your own case and place it on yourself. Please explain how that is not wasting town time.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
edocsil wrote:Someone else will do it, as above. I do not think the lynch is accurate, hence my lack of vote. Care to place odds on it? Personally I blame you Aage for this mislynch. I am fairly certain that I have Doom's number when it comes to his playstyle, and he was playing as town. You have arguments against him that lend credibility to the lynch, but I cannot go against my intuition.
aage wrote:I agree, vig him. I've said that forever. But in the meantime we lynch scum.
Iron Butterfly wrote:aage wrote:I agree, vig him. I've said that forever. But in the meantime we lynch scum.
You have been saying like a broken record bad play does not mean bad intent and that is what you used to defend Superkeener. Now you wish to Vig Superkeener??
edocsil wrote:Someone else will do it, as above. I do not think the lynch is accurate, hence my lack of vote. Care to place odds on it? Personally I blame you Aage for this mislynch. I am fairly certain that I have Doom's number when it comes to his playstyle, and he was playing as town. You have arguments against him that lend credibility to the lynch, but I cannot go against my intuition.
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
superkeener wrote:So has there been a lynch, or have I missed something?
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
superkeener wrote:So has there been a lynch, or have I missed something?
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