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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu May 06, 2010 1:48 pm

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Industrial Helix wrote:I wonder if permission is even needed, something similar could be made in a separate thread.


You can't copyright an idea. Anyone is free to make a map of the same subject. Otherwise we wouldn't have umpty-zillion maps of europe and north-america... ;)


Not permission. Blessings, maybe? It'd be a bother if he came back after a while and got upset because someone took his map idea.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby natty dread on Thu May 06, 2010 2:00 pm

Perhaps it would be best to enquire whether he intends to resume working on this project, before we start looking for a substitute for finishing his job...
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby The Bison King on Thu May 06, 2010 6:22 pm

natty_dread wrote:Perhaps it would be best to enquire whether he intends to resume working on this project, before we start looking for a substitute for finishing his job...


that's a good Idea. Any takers? if not I'll do it.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu May 06, 2010 6:35 pm

I've PMed Squidward about this. I haven't gotten a response yet.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Squidward on Thu May 06, 2010 7:33 pm

Hey guys, I'm sorry for disappearing. For some reason whenever I checked my posts, it always said this one had no new replies, so I never bothered looking at it.
Anyway, at first I got the impression that no one was too interested in this, but I guess I was wrong. I'll definitely keep working on it.

Right now, the territories are just kind of randomly placed in the regions, so I'll try to place those out more strategically. If anyone has any suggestions or advice, please let me know.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Squidward on Thu May 06, 2010 7:45 pm

Unfortunately, my computer is getting repairs right now, and I'm forced to use my old laptop that doesn't have photoshop or anything on it. So it might be a week or so before I can do any work on the map, sorry.

EDIT: Nevermind, I do have photoshop
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu May 06, 2010 7:55 pm

As far as territorial arrangements: In general, it's good practice to avoid 4-way corners like you have in Thick Flank, Flank, Silver Side, Sirloin, and Thick Rib.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby army of nobunaga on Thu May 06, 2010 8:19 pm

i like small maps, i like new art ideas... but im not sure if this will play without some kind of gameplay tweak ... at least im rooting for a gameplay tweak
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu May 06, 2010 8:53 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:i like small maps, i like new art ideas... but im not sure if this will play without some kind of gameplay tweak ... at least im rooting for a gameplay tweak


I think this map could easily survive on standard gameplay. Simple and fun.

though something like lots of small bonuses could help.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby army of nobunaga on Thu May 06, 2010 8:58 pm

just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby FrancisBoyle on Thu May 06, 2010 9:17 pm

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FrancisBoyle wrote:I think there should be a PETA or some other animal rights group territory that can bombard all territories on the cow.


Wouldn't it be the local steak-eating champ who could bombard the whole cow? And then the PETA protester could attack him! Haha.


That sounds good. How about a butcher too?
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu May 06, 2010 10:45 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.


Well, there's no reason to stop making classic gameplay maps. If the theme works, it shouldn't be obligatory to complicate it.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Bruceswar on Fri May 07, 2010 2:36 am

Evil DIMwit wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.


Well, there's no reason to stop making classic gameplay maps. If the theme works, it shouldn't be obligatory to complicate it.



I agree... Beef Cuts will be a hit!
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri May 07, 2010 2:39 am

army of nobunaga wrote:just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.


I totally see your point of view and agree. But the same concept could be extended to, say, the American Civil War. People see a group of army circles and shapes similar to states and they say "Erg Civil War, I like."

I think for the first map standard gameplay is reasonably ok. The problem comes when we have Pork cuts and Lamb Cuts.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby The Bison King on Fri May 07, 2010 7:11 am

just saying... if I drew this out as circles and posts... people would look at it and say.. "what else you got"

the guy puts a cow around VERY VERY Very simple regions.. with no borders... and ppl are like "Erg cow, I like"

if I did this same map with a celery stalk in the background... I would make it about 5 replys on this thread.

Jsut my opinion.


Don't be such a hater. Cows are funny. Celery isn't as funny as a cow. Also cut's of beef are a real thing, celery cuts aren't. Sorry you don't find the same simple appeal in this map as some of the rest of us. If you don't like it that's fine, but don't be a jerk about it.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby army of nobunaga on Fri May 07, 2010 1:04 pm

not being a jerk. Lets say a salad then.. Ill take a picture of my salad today and put these same regions and schematics inside that salad. This isnt even as intricate as madagascar or lux, which has real gameplay design.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Fri May 07, 2010 1:15 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:not being a jerk. Lets say a salad then.. Ill take a picture of my salad today and put these same regions and schematics inside that salad. This isnt even as intricate as madagascar or lux, which has real gameplay design.

Well, if you think the gameplay design here could use improvements, or even a full overhaul, you're welcome to suggest some.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby army of nobunaga on Fri May 07, 2010 5:59 pm

Evil DIMwit wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:not being a jerk. Lets say a salad then.. Ill take a picture of my salad today and put these same regions and schematics inside that salad. This isnt even as intricate as madagascar or lux, which has real gameplay design.

Well, if you think the gameplay design here could use improvements, or even a full overhaul, you're welcome to suggest some.



fair enough... There needs to be less of a regional "island" idea. As it stands, when the drops come out, people will all get their little island bonuses and protect the chokepoints. At least I would and the people I play with would. looks like some automatic deadlock in a no spoils game.

I would get rid of the sticks and make adjoining regions. There needs natural barriers like the ribbones (not to be confused with the ribmeat).. ummm noone eats the heart, it could be a barrier too .. Ill think on it.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Squidward on Fri May 07, 2010 9:22 pm

Beef Cuts, version 2:
(64 territories, 13 regions)

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Also, here's a basic version that just shows the layout of the territories, so it's easier to look at the gameplay. (And I put it over a celery stalk for army of nobunaga :D )

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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby army of nobunaga on Fri May 07, 2010 9:29 pm

i like the celery
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby army of nobunaga on Fri May 07, 2010 9:32 pm

its all fun and games and im the "jerk" but im telling you this is a stalemate map. Even with the "awesome" cow in the background, if this isnt escalating, its a frigging stalemate and ill dog it till beta.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby FrancisBoyle on Fri May 07, 2010 11:12 pm

What about a circulatory system, which can only attack in one direction depending on whether blood is flowing toward or away from the heart.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby The Bison King on Sat May 08, 2010 12:04 am

if this isnt escalating, its a frigging stalemate


It's impossible to stalemate.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Neato Missile on Sat May 08, 2010 12:11 am

BEEF CUTS!!!
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby natty dread on Sat May 08, 2010 2:38 am

The Bison King wrote:
if this isnt escalating, its a frigging stalemate


It's impossible to stalemate.


No it's not. Go to game finder and look at the oldest still active games... the oldest are from 2006 I think.

As for the map, it still has 4-way borders, you need to get rid of all of those. They are confusing, because players will not know which territory attacks which.

Examples: the border between TL1 to TL4.
Borders in thick flank.
Borders between Center flank, Flank, Flank cut and that nameless territory.
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