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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Wed May 19, 2010 5:34 pm

carlpgoodrich wrote:IH, I'm a bit disappointed you don't see the beauty of your original suggestion (or at least in how I interpreted it ;)). If there are starting positions which can attack the entire cow (which is full of neutral 1's ), then its like manual deployment on steroids: you get to decide what regions you want to focus on from the start, whether you want to battle with some other player for a "quick" bonus or take a chance on a large region, etc. A simple -1 decay on the knives should be sufficient to force people off the knives. This would be such a different style of game and would require such a different strategy and approach, it would be like having another "game type" setting.

Am I the only only one who thinks this is genius? Did people not understand what was meant in my earlier posts or does everyone just disagree with me? Are there practicality issues I have missed?


I do like this idea. Is there a way to attack the knives, though? Or perhaps there's just a victory condition to hold 60% of the cow so we don't have to bother with that?

How about a victory condition to hold at least one territory of every cut? That'd be different.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby carlpgoodrich on Wed May 19, 2010 7:50 pm

Evil DIMwit wrote:
carlpgoodrich wrote:IH, I'm a bit disappointed you don't see the beauty of your original suggestion (or at least in how I interpreted it ;)). If there are starting positions which can attack the entire cow (which is full of neutral 1's ), then its like manual deployment on steroids: you get to decide what regions you want to focus on from the start, whether you want to battle with some other player for a "quick" bonus or take a chance on a large region, etc. A simple -1 decay on the knives should be sufficient to force people off the knives. This would be such a different style of game and would require such a different strategy and approach, it would be like having another "game type" setting.

Am I the only only one who thinks this is genius? Did people not understand what was meant in my earlier posts or does everyone just disagree with me? Are there practicality issues I have missed?


I do like this idea. Is there a way to attack the knives, though? Or perhaps there's just a victory condition to hold 60% of the cow so we don't have to bother with that?

How about a victory condition to hold at least one territory of every cut? That'd be different.


A victory condition to hold at least one territory of every cut.. that would be really cool! I like it. However, I think for assassin games you need to be able to kill an individual player, no?

There was some talk about having a food critic and/or an animal rights protester that would start with a very large (killer?) neutral and can attack the knives and can be attacked by the cow (either any cut or from specific places). I like the idea of a food critic because I like the idea of the meat attacking the person eating it :lol:. There's something pleasing about that: knives attack meat, meat attacks critic, critic attacks knives (which represents chefs, butchers, etc).
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Wed May 19, 2010 7:57 pm

I'm wary of putting in too many things that aren't cow, but what must be done must be done, I suppose.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Industrial Helix on Wed May 19, 2010 9:59 pm

Evil DIMwit wrote:I'm wary of putting in too many things that aren't cow, but what must be done must be done, I suppose.


Well, to be honest, I think it would work as a fine simple gameplay map... go back to using knives as bridges?
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby natty dread on Thu May 20, 2010 12:53 am

To be honest, I wonder if the mapmaker will ever return... I also wonder if you guys will keep throwing suggestions for many years even if he doesn't :D
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby carlpgoodrich on Thu May 20, 2010 5:47 am

natty_dread wrote:To be honest, I wonder if the mapmaker will ever return... I also wonder if you guys will keep throwing suggestions for many years even if he doesn't :D

Oh, I will! No doubt :D
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu May 20, 2010 7:00 am

Industrial Helix wrote:
Evil DIMwit wrote:I'm wary of putting in too many things that aren't cow, but what must be done must be done, I suppose.


Well, to be honest, I think it would work as a fine simple gameplay map... go back to using knives as bridges?


That's true too. Maybe we should have a whole meat pack?
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu May 20, 2010 1:10 pm

Evil DIMwit wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:
Evil DIMwit wrote:I'm wary of putting in too many things that aren't cow, but what must be done must be done, I suppose.


Well, to be honest, I think it would work as a fine simple gameplay map... go back to using knives as bridges?


That's true too. Maybe we should have a whole meat pack?


PORK CUTS!
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Evil DIMwit on Thu May 20, 2010 1:57 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:
Evil DIMwit wrote:
Industrial Helix wrote:
Evil DIMwit wrote:I'm wary of putting in too many things that aren't cow, but what must be done must be done, I suppose.


Well, to be honest, I think it would work as a fine simple gameplay map... go back to using knives as bridges?


That's true too. Maybe we should have a whole meat pack?


PORK CUTS!


Only it he agrees to do the graphics, I presume?
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby natty dread on Thu May 20, 2010 4:10 pm

No, pork should do a "Pork & beans" map, which would consist of a plate full of pork and beans. Each slice of pork would have +1 autodeploy and the beans are killer neutrals. Knife attacks the beans, and fork attacks the pork.

Hold fork, pork and get it in your mouth to win the game.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby b00kw0rm on Mon May 24, 2010 2:43 pm

natty_dread wrote:No, pork should do a "Pork & beans" map, which would consist of a plate full of pork and beans. Each slice of pork would have +1 autodeploy and the beans are killer neutrals. Knife attacks the beans, and fork attacks the pork.

Hold fork, pork and get it in your mouth to win the game.



You need to also hold the Tums, so you don't get killer indigestion which resets your mouth and the beans to neutral.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Squidward on Mon May 24, 2010 6:50 pm

The Bison King wrote:I think we lost the OP again... If I had to guess he probably feels like this has gotten completely away from him.


Haha, exactly. I wouldn't even know how to begin implementing some of the gameplay ideas people are suggesting, and honestly, I really don't understand most of them. I'd love to see this map progress further, but I think it's getting a little too complicated for me.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby Bruceswar on Mon May 24, 2010 7:04 pm

Can I get a copy of the PSD please. You should also continue to work on it as much as you can.
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Re: Beef Cuts Idea

Postby The Bison King on Mon May 24, 2010 8:18 pm


The Bison King wrote:I think we lost the OP again... If I had to guess he probably feels like this has gotten completely away from him.



Haha, exactly. I wouldn't even know how to begin implementing some of the gameplay ideas people are suggesting, and honestly, I really don't understand most of them.


Ha, am I good or am I good! I understand your predicament. It seems that a lot of people want a lot of different things out of the map but here's how I see it... let's make an allegory out of this.

You came to a group of guy and said "Hey I made a great new toaster, It's not the most unique toaster ever, and it can't make toast better than some other toasters, but this is my toaster and I would like to make it."

and everyone else looked at the toaster and said "hmm... yeah that is a toaster... but can it pick up radio stations? or browse the web?" Then some one else said "Why do you want to browse the web on a toaster?? it should be able to Iron clothes." Then some else said "F*** that this toaster should double as a slap chop!"

All the while you're standing around saying "....what happened"

but some toasters are just meant to make toast damn it! And if you want to make toast I think that you should stand up and say "I want to make toast god damn it! and I want to make toast my way!"

Maybe, this will never make it past the melting pot, but if you want to fight for this toaster I will be there right along side with you!
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