Eurasia Map [Old thread]

[natty dread]

Hurm... cool. I like it so far but I think it still needs a little something. Maybe throw in some superbonuses? Capitals?

It already has superbonuses. Look at the groupings in the legend.

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[AndyDufresne]

Oh, perhaps Helix, like myself, thought the Super-Bonuses were Heading/Division titles for easy reference.


--Andy

[thenobodies80]

If possible can you add also Java? Why you left it out?
Technically is part of Asia. Just add some pixels in the lower part, draw the whole borneo (it will look better) and add the Java island.



African territories don't convice me, what's the reason to have them?
In any case very nice start natty, I like this map.

[natty dread]

If possible can you add also Java? Why you left it out?

1. Space constraints. The image height is 1000 already pixels, which is the maximum.
2. Oceania isn't strictly speaking a part of Eurasia, so I don't see including the whole of it necessary. I'd rather keep it as a small peripheral bonus.

African territories don't convice me, what's the reason to have them?

They are analoguous to antarctic on World 2.1. They provide some extra mobility on the left side of the map.

In any case very nice start natty, I like this map.

Glad to hear that.

Oh, perhaps Helix, like myself, thought the Super-Bonuses were Heading/Division titles for easy reference.

Understandable, however they will be clearer once the bonus numbers are in.

[thenobodies80]

I didn't mean the whole australia. I posted the Wallace line (in red on the image)because it is the imaginary border between asia and oceania, java is on the asian side

About space you have other 200 px if you want : SUPERSIZE LARGE MAP: WIDTH up to 1400 px ; HEIGHT 1200 px

[natty dread]

I didn't mean the whole australia. I posted the Wallace line (in red on the image)because it is the imaginary border between asia and oceania, java is on the asian side

Yes but it still falls outside the current cropping.

About space you have other 200 px if you want : SUPERSIZE LARGE MAP: WIDTH up to 1400 px ; HEIGHT 1200 px

But the small map height restriction is 800 px.

The supersize limits are weirdly inconsistent that way. When the small limit is 800, it doesn't matter that the large limit is 1200... if I aim for a +25% size differential then the maximum height for the large becomes 1.25 * 800 = 1000.


Anyway, I got the legend finished, and changed the colours so that they should be pretty ok for CB people.

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[lostatlimbo]

There seems to be some inconsistency in your naming. Like Fennoscandia. I get that you live there and want to represent with the proper term for that area, BUT if you are going to do that, be consistent. Turn Western Europe into Iberian Peninsula, etc.

I'm sure you'll disagree, but it just strikes me as odd to have a super specific term like Fennoscandia (when most would lump it into the simplified Scandinavia), and yet you have another bonus region called "Other Stans." Go with one or the other - common names or technical terms.

Why did you decide to split Eastern Europe into its own tiny super bonus? Why not add in the Balkan/Romania/Greece terits to beef that up and move Italy & islands into Central Europe (which is more accurate anyway). Yes, its bordered by the Med, but so are significant chunks of France & Spain & Turkey, etc etc. (Romania - on the other hand - has no border with the Med). I think that makes more sense than having a super bonus of 19 and another of 5.

You asked for more impassable suggestions, so I'll again suggest tundra.

PS - the textures and depth of the oceans and seas are AWESOME.

[Victor Sullivan]

I have to agree with lostatlimbo. There are some curious names you've used. I, myself, prefer more technical names. For example, "Fennoscandia" is technically not correct, since that bonus area includes Denmark, Svalbard and Faroe, and doesn't include the Kola peninsula (Murmansk). This would be best as "Nordic Countries". "Other Stans" could be called Russian Turkestan, as that area was called during pre-independence (a la the USSR). And the territory of "Angora" might best be called "Anatolia" or "Turkey" or "Ankara", perhaps the first being the better option. I'm not familiar with the term "Angola" used to describe that region (though maybe perhaps animals of that region, or something? I thought I remember there being some "Angora Cat" or "Angora Sheep" or some such nonsense).

Elsewise, the border between Austria and Germany looks way off, and I'm not too keen on the Baltics having their own one-territory bonus area. I they'd best be combined with "East Europe".

-Sully

[isaiah40]

What they said. It seems funny to see East India instead of Assam, and combining Jordan and Israel.

Anyways this is obvious so here is what you have asked for.

[natty dread]

Names, names, names... yeah, most of the names were thrown together pretty quickly without thought and I'll be making them more consistent in the future.

Hm, I always thought Fennoscandia was just a term used to refer to Scandinavia + Finland. And I even live in the area... Yup. Oh well, I guess I'll do some name changes.

Why did you decide to split Eastern Europe into its own tiny super bonus?

Small bonuses are needed too. I think it's best when there's a variety of sizes between bonuses, which applies to superbonuses too.

move Italy & islands into Central Europe (which is more accurate anyway)

Nopes, Italy is definitely considered a part of mediterranean countries. You might have a case on Romania, though.

You asked for more impassable suggestions, so I'll again suggest tundra.

I meant specific locations where impassables should be. If you have any suggestions I'll hear them.

PS - the textures and depth of the oceans and seas are AWESOME.

Heh... thanks. I love making textures. It's kind of my specialty...

I'm not familiar with the term "Angola" used to describe that region

Angora is the old name for Ankara (while Angola is a whole another country), also refers to the general area where Angora sheeps live. It just seemed weird to name it Turkey when it's not all of Turkey... But I guess I could just call it Anatolia.

the border between Austria and Germany looks way off

Maybe that's because Austria kind of also includes the Czech. Anyway. Borders can be fudged whenever it benefits gameplay clarity. You should know this, Victor.

I'm not too keen on the Baltics having their own one-territory bonus area. I they'd best be combined with "East Europe".

Nah, 1 territory bonuses are fine. Again, I like to have a scale of bonuses. From 1 territory to 12. Anyway, Baltics isn't really an Eastern European country. It's it's own region and deserves to be recognized on this map, I feel.

It seems funny to see East India instead of Assam, and combining Jordan and Israel.

First of all... I don't subscribe to the MrBenn school of mapmaking. I don't think it suits any purpose to make a map where 1 country = 1 territory. I feel it's counterintuitive... in what world does it make any kind of sense that 1 army can hold the entirety of Russia, while that same army is also required to hold a place like Kaliningrad or Vatican? This is just my opinion... Europa is an ok map but not the kind I would make.

So I like to combine small countries, and split large ones, to limit the disproportionacy between territory sizes. Especially when countries are so small that having them independently would hurt gameplay clarity.

East India can be renamed to Assam though, I would have in the first place but somehow the name had escaped my brain and I was too lazy to search for it

Anyways this is obvious so here is what you have asked for.

Thanks

[natty dread]

Updates!

- Name changes: East India > Assam, Angora > Anatolia, Fennoscandia > Nordics, Other Stans > Turkics (not totally accurate for the area but the best I can think of)
- Bonus area changes: Romania from Mediterranean > East Europe
- Added Sulawesi to Oceania
- Added sea routes: Kyushu-Taiwan, Svalbard-Sevetnaya Zemlya
- Added abbreviations legend
- Region bonus: +1 for 4 regions, min 3 max 10

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[thenobodies80]

I didn't mean the whole australia. I posted the Wallace line (in red on the image)because it is the imaginary border between asia and oceania, java is on the asian side

Yes but it still falls outside the current cropping.

About space you have other 200 px if you want : SUPERSIZE LARGE MAP: WIDTH up to 1400 px ; HEIGHT 1200 px

But the small map height restriction is 800 px.

The supersize limits are weirdly inconsistent that way. When the small limit is 800, it doesn't matter that the large limit is 1200... if I aim for a +25% size differential then the maximum height for the large becomes 1.25 * 800 = 1000.

In this way you'll never be wrong natty. Your way to reply to people it's pretty annoying, as I said to you in past, like you know everything about mapmaking and graphics and everyone else is shit.
Now I understand why so much people stay away from the foundry and when I ask them I receive 99% of times the same reply.
Anyway Good Luck with your maps.

Nobodies

[natty dread]

About space you have other 200 px if you want : SUPERSIZE LARGE MAP: WIDTH up to 1400 px ; HEIGHT 1200 px

But the small map height restriction is 800 px.

The supersize limits are weirdly inconsistent that way. When the small limit is 800, it doesn't matter that the large limit is 1200... if I aim for a +25% size differential then the maximum height for the large becomes 1.25 * 800 = 1000.

In this way you'll never be wrong natty. Your way to reply to people it's pretty annoyin, as I said to you in past, like you know everything about mapmaking and graphics and everyone else is shit.
Now I understand why so much people stay away from the foundry and when I ask them I receive 99% of times the same reply.
Anyway Good Luck with your maps.

What the actual f*ck, nobodies?

What exactly is your problem here? Have I been disrespectful to you in any way? I thought one of the foundry guidelines was to respond to all feedback and suggestions in a reasonable way.

You suggested that I add Java on the map, I gave you reasons why I think that isn't feasible. If you think those aren't good reasons, you're welcome to post and explain why.

I don't think my response was annoying or arrogant. I challenge you to show me where I have posted anything that even implies "I know everything and anyone else doesn't know shit". Look at any of my posts/responses in this thread, I've been perfectly cordial and reasonable in all my responses, I've agreed with some feedback, disagreed with some, but I've ALWAYS provided reasons why I disagree if so. I thought that was how the feedback system was supposed to work in the foundry?

Maybe you're just having a bad day and overreacting to something, I don't know. But either way, I don't think I've deserved this personal assault from you. We're adult humans and we should be able to disagree or debate without getting all pissed at each other.

[thenobodies80]

You're drawing a map about eurasia and you add Suwalesi (Oceania) but not Java (Asia)....this is the point.
It's like draw a map about a human body and say "sorry I draw everything but not the head because size restrictions".

I suggested Java for the same reasons people suggested me to add or cut territories when I developed Oceania with pikkio. viewtopic.php?f=358&t=70624&start=15#p1714489

If the problem is that you don't have space just ask, because size restrictions are managed by myself and isaiah40 so it's not a big deal.
As written when they were announced, we have restrictions, but in some exceptional cases we allow more space. (see tisha americas and kabanellas kings court 2 for example).

So, if you want to draw Europe and Asia, draw Europa and Asia, just that. Don't tell me you can't because size restrictions. What you did in your answer was to say that the fault is with size restrictions that are not consistent, it wasn't give me an answer. Then if the fact is you want to have the small 25% smaller than the big, this is a your choice, but we ask for 9% as minimum, so don't tell us that the "rule" set are wrong if you're not willing to fit them to your map.

About the attitude I'm not talking about this thread but more in general, i took just the occasion to take a dig to you.
If you want I can quote some PM or posts where people tell the same about it, but probably this map thread is not the right place so I shut up and I leave you with a common italian proverb "Chi ha orecchie per intendere intenda"

Have a good day
Nobodies

[natty dread]

You're drawing a map about eurasia and you add Suwalesi (Oceania) but not Java (Asia)....this is the point.

If it seriously bothers you that much, just pretend that Java is included in the Sumatra territory.

If the problem is that you don't have space just ask

No, I won't. I'm not going to add another 100 pixels of height to the map just to add one territory. There's no point in that. The size restrictions aren't the only reason (like I already told you).

The main focus of the map is the Eurasian continent, any islands that fit in are in, the ones that don't are out. I'm not including Iceland either, even though it's a part of Europe, because it's outside the cropping which is focused around the outlines of the Eurasian continent.

About the attitude I'm not talking about this thread but more in general, i took just the occasion to take a dig to you.

You're the foundry foreman. Should you really be taking "digs" at mapmakers?

If you want I can quote some PM or posts where people tell the same about it

I don't care. If anyone has a problem with me, they can come talk to me directly, and we can work it out. If they'd rather gossip about me in pm:s or whatever, that's their problem.