Eurasia Map [Old thread]

[natty dread]

ANYWAY, now that this unpleasantness is behind us, here's what I ended up with:

- I added territory Crimea, and added it to the Baltics bonus, renaming it Baltics & Crimea. Now it's a bonus with 2 separated territories, that gives an undervalued bonus of +1, it's only really worth to hold as part of the E.E. superbonus.

- Some impassable changes.

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With this change, there's now 126 territories and none have to be coded neutrals, so we have an optimal number of starting territories with the +1/4 territory bonus.

8 players = 15 territories = +3
6 players = 21 territories = +5
5 players = 25 territories = +6
4 players = 31 territories = +7
2-3 players = 42 territories = +10

[natty dread]

Changed it a bit again, I decided to split Eastern Europe in N/S portions... well, that and I also renamed Sumatra to Sumatra & Java to get Java some representation on the map. I hope this satisfies all parties.

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[Victor Sullivan]

About the attitude I'm not talking about this thread but more in general, i took just the occasion to take a dig to you.

You're the foundry foreman. Should you really be taking "digs" at mapmakers?

Come on, now, natty, that seems like a double-standard. He's just as human as you are! And if anyone needs a dig, it's you, buddy.

That being said, onto mappy things!

the border between Austria and Germany looks way off

Maybe that's because Austria kind of also includes the Czech. Anyway. Borders can be fudged whenever it benefits gameplay clarity. You should know this, Victor.

I know this very well, but this is not what I'm suggesting My stance is accuracy should be used when there are no major gameplay repercussions. In this case, I don't see much of one. Be it the land of three-fourths of my ancestors, I might be a little biased and stubborn in this regard

Oh, and, why did you decide to put a cap on the territory bonus? Also, I think it would do well to have a connection between UAE and East Iran or Oman and East Iran (UAE--East Iran being my personal preference, given their closeness in comparison).

-Sully

P.S. Oh, yes, I meant Angora, I edited my post after posting it, realizing I used the wrong consonant.

[natty dread]

And if anyone needs a dig, it's you, buddy.

Ha ha. So you're saying that I "need" a foundry mod to come to my map thread, and without any provocation start slinging insults at my face and accuse me of being annoying when I've been nothing but respectful in said thread?

Whatever.

Anyway: The territory Austria represents both Austria and Czech Republic, but due to space constraints it is named simply "Austria". I don't see why Arabia needs any extra connections.

[Victor Sullivan]

And if anyone needs a dig, it's you, buddy.

Ha ha. So you're saying that I "need" a foundry mod to come to my map thread, and without any provocation start slinging insults at my face and accuse me of being annoying when I've been nothing but respectful in said thread?

Whatever. If you have such a low opinion of me, then just stay out of my map threads.

I never said anything of the sort. I have respect for you with regard to your mapmaking knowledge and such, but some of that is weakened when you act less than respectful to others inside and outside of this forum. It seems nobodies agrees at least to a certain extent.

Anywho...

Anyway: The territory Austria represents both Austria and Czech Republic, but due to space constraints it is named simply "Austria".

Hm, almost. If it included all of Austria, Germany wouldn't connect to Italy, and perhaps it shouldn't. And even so, Germany's eastern border shouldn't look off, given the Czech Republic is included in the Austria territory. But perhaps it's petty.

-Sully

[mviola]

Shouldn't Norrland be called North Sweden to keep everything consistent with the labeling? That or change South Sweden to what it's called in Swedish. (I assume Norrland is Swedish for North Sweden)

[natty dread]

No, Norrland is the name of the region. Though I suppose I could change it to Northland to be consistent with the language.

[Industrial Helix]

Did you apply for the supersize stamp?

I'm really liking this map, but one suggestion I have is how about splitting up the Philippines into two regions, Luzon and Mindanao?

[natty dread]

I never said anything of the sort. I have respect for you with regard to your mapmaking knowledge and such, but some of that is weakened when you act less than respectful to others inside and outside of this forum.

Yeah, just look at the posts in this thread for example. I'm answering respectfully to all questions and suggestions, and then out of the blue I get accused of being an asshole and annoying and shit like that.

If answering feedback honestly according to the best of my ability isn't what I'm supposed to be doing, I never got the memo.

ANYWAY, Austria connecting to Switzerland is doable. I'm not sure why I left that piece out, the reason is probably complicated... Germany's eastern border is perfectly accurate within the scale of the map though. And, the territory bonus is capped to 10 to make the map more bonus-oriented.

I still don't know why you want a connection between UAE and Iran? I don't see the reason...

Did you apply for the supersize stamp?

Got it already.

I'm really liking this map, but one suggestion I have is how about splitting up the Philippines into two regions, Luzon and Mindanao?

Is there a gameplay reason for doing so?

[Industrial Helix]

As for the Philippines.. for me at least it feels like it could be its own bonus region, given its significance in the region and making it two sections would allow for that to happen. And generally I like little bonuses cause they're nice starting areas which will counter the easy bonuses of those three-part euro regions on the other side of the map.

I'ma sticky this now.

[natty dread]

Mmh... I share your love for small bonuses, but.... I don't know if 2-territory bonuses are really suitable for a map this size.

Also, the small bonuses are already spread quite evenly accross the map. If you look at the 3-territory bonuses, in Europe there are 3 (Central E, Southeast E, Brits), in China 2 (Mongolia & Manchuria), and 1 in India (East India). That makes 3 in the west and 3 in the east.

Anyway, thanks for Sticky.

I changed Austria to connect to Switzerland and renamed it Austria & Czech, although now it has to be abbreviated.
I also renamed Norrland to Northland, although I'm not sure if Northland is a term that is used anywhere.

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[tkr4lf]

@Natty-
I think the "insults" and "digs" come because of your general attitude. It's the way you come off to people. Maybe it's not your intention, but you come off as somebody who thinks they know everything and couldn't give a shit what anybody else thinks. There is an air of superiority and condescension in your speech (or rather your typed words).

I'm not saying this to piss you off or bait you or whatever, just saying what pretty much everybody else thinks. Maybe you could work on that some, and people would be more friendly towards you.


On topic:
I like the look of the map. I have to agree with others on the naming, uniformity is better in that regard I think. I also agree with thenobodies on the Java issue, it would make more sense to include an island that is part of Eurasia over an island that is part of Oceania. Overall though, it's looking good. I will definitely play this one.

[natty dread]

Tkr4lf, I don't really appreciate your "attitude" either. The way you come off right now is all holier-than-thou, like you have the right to judge my character or personality.

Also, I seriously doubt you are qualified to say what "everyone thinks". Speak for yourself, don't try to lend credibility to your arguments by pretending to represent some kind of imaginary majority.

Anyway, if you have a problem with me, you're welcome to discuss it somewhere else, with me or whoever you like. This map thread however is not the place for it. Any further posts on this subject will be ignored.


As for Java, it's already included on the map. There's a territory called Sumatra & Java. Furthermore, Sulawesi is definitely part of Asia, not Oceania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulawesi

[DiM]

so you have a map of eurasia that does not include the whole europe or the whole asia but funny enough it includes part of africa.
then you split this whole area into territories named after countries cities or generic regions while drawing many imaginary borders.
and speaking of the imaginary, you decided to add some fantasy mountains in various locations.

don't bother responding i know what your answer will be even though i can't see your posts

[tkr4lf]

Tkr4lf, I don't really appreciate your "attitude" either. The way you come off right now is all holier-than-thou, like you have the right to judge my character or personality.

Also, I seriously doubt you are qualified to say what "everyone thinks". Speak for yourself, don't try to lend credibility to your arguments by pretending to represent some kind of imaginary majority.

Anyway, if you have a problem with me, you're welcome to discuss it somewhere else, with me or whoever you like. This map thread however is not the place for it. Any further posts on this subject will be ignored.


As for Java, it's already included on the map. There's a territory called Sumatra & Java. Furthermore, Sulawesi is definitely part of Asia, not Oceania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulawesi

It's all good. I didn't expect anything less from you. I'll leave your thread in peace now. It's obvious constructive criticism isn't wanted.