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Re: Paris (April 2) First draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby Flapcake on Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:38 pm

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DoomYoshi wrote:Keeping +2 makes sense, and you can even have that one with more neutrals on it to reflect the greater bonus and central location advantage.


So, should I keep Notre Dame at 10 neutrals, or maybe cut it down to, say, 8?



I think 10 is to much, you can easily cut it down to 5, the areas are part of ohter bonuses and will gets atacked by different players.

1 thing: you can not have 4-way border, in a 4-way border you can't tell who attacks who.
2 thing: still your large map are obvious that you have just enlarged the file, it dosent work well, looks very pixelated, you have do get that sorted out (your small map also have some serius pixilations) Il say for this to being a draft, the pixilation are one of your main conserns rigth now.
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:10 pm

I was just talking about Notre Dame, since it's centered and gives +2 autodeploy. The others I've made 5.
I put a note in on the bottom of the map that you can't attack across corners. If you guys think players won't read it, I'll redraw the borders.

OK, I thought I had fixed the pixelation, but I guess not. How do I fix it? What do I need to do?
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:12 pm

Also, Flapcake, how did you get do the icons for the sights on your Copenhagen map? I'd like to do something similar here, but I don't know how.
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:20 pm

sempaispellcheck wrote:I was just talking about Notre Dame, since it's centered and gives +2 autodeploy. The others I've made 5.
I put a note in on the bottom of the map that you can't attack across corners. If you guys think players won't read it, I'll redraw the borders.

OK, I thought I had fixed the pixelation, but I guess not. How do I fix it? What do I need to do?


To fix the pixelation, don't just make it larger. Redraw it at a larger size.
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby cairnswk on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:27 pm

sempaispellcheck...welcome to mapmaking and all its trials and tribulations...good start for concept :)
I see the fourway borders you have on your map has been targeted, so i won't go there.

Below is a little something i did sometime ago that might/might not give you some inspiration for your map.
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:15 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:To fix the pixelation, don't just make it larger. Redraw it at a larger size.

Grr. I was hoping to avoid that.

Thanks, cairns!! And thanks for sharing your idea!! I could definitely use some of your territory names, if nothing else. :D

All right, all right, I'll redraw the borders. :roll:
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby Flapcake on Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:25 pm

You simple just not enlarge text or lines, whats always good to remember is that images, text and drawn stuff reduces quality when enlargin, you only have the same amounth of pixels to work with, when scrinking the pixels gets smaller and you avoid pixilation, build large and scale down, newer the ohter way.

Solution to your pixel problem, redraw the map (sorry) in large version, smoot the edges of the borders, then when you do the small map, scrink with out the text, retype the text, or else you risk it will be blurry.

you asked for the icons at my copenhagen map, its landmarks and therfor have no copyrigths, the mermaid I have taken the picture my self, you can google the stuff you need and redraw/remodel it to out of reconesion, then thers no copyrigth.

(i know my english suck, but i hope you understand ;) )

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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:44 pm

Why is there never an easy way out? :x C'est la vie...I guess.
Oooh boy. Guess I have my work cut out for me. The next update may not be ready for a little while, but hopefully it will be worth the wait.
Thanks for the feedback, all!! (and don't worry about it, Flap, I can understand you perfectly).
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby Flapcake on Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:05 am

sempaispellcheck wrote:Why is there never an easy way out? :x C'est la vie...I guess.


well I hope not its "C'est la vie" course you have something worth working with, but no one sayd map making was easy ;) you do have to do your very bedst, or aleast try. its not a hard job Iv asked for, its only the borderlines and the text, then what ever you want for effects (icons, patterns, shapes, shadows ect. ect.) you can add later on, rigth now we must lift it up to a minimun standard for a draft. (hope not it sounds to rugh :| )

wich program do you use ? (photoshop/Gimp, other)

Keep up the mood and good work.
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:12 am

I'm just being over-dramatic, Flap (and whining a little, yes, but I'll get over that). True, true, I know, and I will.

I'm using GIMP, and I think what I'm going to do is redraw the map following natty's GIMP tutorial, but keeping bonus colors, territory names, bonuses, gameplay, etc. - starting from quasi-scratch. :D
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Re: Paris (April 2) Second draft (pg. 1) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby Flapcake on Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:29 am

sempaispellcheck wrote:
I'm using GIMP, and I think what I'm going to do is redraw the map following natty's GIMP tutorial


It was just what I had in mind ;) then it cant go wrong, is a very useful tool :)
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Re: Paris- V3 (4/17) (pgs. 1 & 2) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:23 pm

Version 3, finally! I am sorry about the delay, and I hope you find it worth the wait!

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If anyone has any advice on how I can get illustrations of my landmarks into GIMP (preferably without having to draw them out), 'twould be appreciated. :D

Also, I realize now that I made the army circles too small. That will be fixed in the next update.
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Re: Paris- V3 (4/17) (pgs. 1 & 2) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby Flapcake on Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:51 am

Hi sempaispellcheck

First one thing thats not about the map, whats easy for every one is that you post the images on the last page aswell as the first, you already have sayd in the headline that you have V3 at pgs 1 & 2, what is the correct way to put it ;) then we dont have to look at both pg 1 and ---> to see what is written and the image (hope i made my self understandble)

Now your new update :) about the blurness, much better, its just about gone (hurray :lol: ) You got all seperate colors for bonuses now, thats good.

I certainly see an improvement in you map but you have some things you need to sort out.

The outer border, its very rough and pixilated, did you use a pencil tool ? use a brush ( 3 pix for outerborders) I have my brush for borderlines set with 90% transparency, it gives a softer look. ofcourse it depend on how the image appears (soft vs. hard)

The armycirkles, same rough and pixilated, I think you can skip the cirkles in the territories and keep the ones for Ligne, but they are also rough and pixilated.

Innerborder from Montmartre/Gare du nord to La villette, delete the littel piece that crosses over ;)

The flag for bagground is much better, the "red" side just seems kind of "pink" to me :-s

I like your improvements and you are on track for a very nice map, keep it up :D

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Re: Paris- V3 (4/17) (pgs. 1 & 2) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:23 am

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Here are some graphics I found. I searched :
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and it gave the image. Some are stock photos or free-use, others are not. I am only including them here so you can get an idea of what is possible to find on the web.
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Re: Paris- V3 (4/17) (pgs. 1 & 2) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:01 am

Flapcake wrote:whats easy for every one is that you post the images on the last page aswell as the first


Done.

Flapcake wrote:Now your new update :) about the blurness, much better, its just about gone (hurray :lol: ) You got all seperate colors for bonuses now, thats good.

I certainly see an improvement in you map


Thank you. I worked hard on this update, and I'm glad to hear that it shows.

Flapcake wrote:but you have some things you need to sort out.


Of course.That's why it's in the Drafting Room. :D

Flapcake wrote:The outer border, its very rough and pixilated, did you use a pencil tool ? use a brush ( 3 pix for outerborders) I have my brush for borderlines set with 90% transparency, it gives a softer look. ofcourse it depend on how the image appears (soft vs. hard)


I did use a brush - 9 px fuzzy circle at 0.50 scale, as natty suggests in his tutorial. I'll try a smaller brush for my next version and see how it works.

Flapcake wrote:The armycirkles, same rough and pixilated, I think you can skip the cirkles in the territories and keep the ones for Ligne, but they are also rough and pixilated.


If you think I can skip them, I probably will - that way the XML won't give me as much of a headache with centering and all that. I'll work on the ones for the Métro - maybe use a smaller brush or something. I have to make them larger anyway, so that might help.

Flapcake wrote:Innerborder from Montmartre/Gare du nord to La villette, delete the littel piece that crosses over ;)


Sure. That's an easy fix.

Flapcake wrote:The flag for bagground is much better, the "red" side just seems kind of "pink" to me :-s


To me, too. I'll fix that.

Flapcake wrote:I like your improvements and you are on track for a very nice map, keep it up :D

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Re: Paris- V3 (4/17) (pgs. 1 & 2) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:02 am

DoomYoshi -

You are amazing. That is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. Thank you so much.
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Re: Paris - V4 (4/23) (pgs. 1 & 3) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:45 pm

OK - Here it is: Version 4.

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Changes: Fixed flag background so red didn't look pink, redid bonus borders and removed outlines on army circles to fix pixelation, and FINALLY figured out how to add landmark illustrations - many thanks to DoomYoshi for that last. :D
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Have you thought about making the background look more like a waving flag, like Image?

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Re: Paris - V4 (4/23) (pgs. 1 & 3) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:08 pm

I have, actually, but I went about it the wrong way when I tried it, so I gave up.
Now that I think I know how to do it, I'll try again.
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Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:54 pm

HERE we go.

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Changes: Replaced flag background with WAVING flag background. :D
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Re: Paris - V4.1 (4/24) (pgs. 1 & 3) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:53 pm

At the risk of sounding impatient (which I am :D ), about how far is this map from its Draft stamp?
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Re: Paris - V4.1 (4/24) (pgs. 1 & 3) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:07 pm

For the flag, I think it would look better and cleaner if you do what Flapcake did with the Danish flag on his Denmark map.
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Re: Paris - V4.1 (4/24) (pgs. 1 & 3) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:31 pm

My whole idea has been that the French flag would be the background for the map. I can't use water like Flap does - Paris is landlocked, and it's not like a country or a state where it borders 4 or 5 other places - Paris has a LOT of suburbs, and they all have fairly long names (Issy-les-Moulineaux, for example).
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Re: Paris - V4.1 (4/24) (pgs. 1 & 3) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:56 am

I think the three big issues right now for me are these...

The current flag background is not very nice, isaiah40 idea of using the same thing as Flapcake on Denmark should really bring the map to life.Not with the water or on a small scale, but covering the whole of the maps background. (Look at the style)

The images you have for the landmarks are so so. None of them fit the map as it is, all of them have different orientations and all are drawn different ways.

The amount of text for such a small map is overbearing. Try to cut some if not half out. Should be able to do that simply.

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Re: Paris - V4.1 (4/24) (pgs. 1 & 3) - FEEDBACK PLEASE!!

Postby sempaispellcheck on Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:01 pm

Oh! My apologies, isaiah, I misunderstood you. I'll find a better flag.

The images were the best I could find. I'll look some more and find better ones.

I'm assuming you mean the text at the top? Aw, I liked it. I thought it was funny. :( Oh well. I can cut it.
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