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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby Flapcake on Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:18 am

chapcrap wrote:I know that koontz and Flap like the silliness of the map (I wouldn't call it cartoonish. It looks more like poor graphic work than good cartoon work), but I am not a fan of that. I don't mind the colors being fun/cartoony, but the way the map is currently setup isn't appealing me. However, the concept does appeal to me.


Hi chapcrap, You are 100% entitled to have your opinion, and that is fine, taste is different from person to person, some love Mr. bean, ohters hate him. But im kind of disapointed that you say "poor graphic work" I have spendt good time drawing every thing my self. What is wrong with some silliness ? try to see it as fun and a map you actually can play, I dident made this as a joke (like ohters that do maps as an provocation) but as a serius map that not only looked funny but also will be fun to play. You are not a fan of it, ok, I respect your opinion.
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby chapcrap on Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:56 am

Flapcake wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I know that koontz and Flap like the silliness of the map (I wouldn't call it cartoonish. It looks more like poor graphic work than good cartoon work), but I am not a fan of that. I don't mind the colors being fun/cartoony, but the way the map is currently setup isn't appealing me. However, the concept does appeal to me.


Hi chapcrap, You are 100% entitled to have your opinion, and that is fine, taste is different from person to person, some love Mr. bean, ohters hate him. But im kind of disapointed that you say "poor graphic work" I have spendt good time drawing every thing my self. What is wrong with some silliness ? try to see it as fun and a map you actually can play, I dident made this as a joke (like ohters that do maps as an provocation) but as a serius map that not only looked funny but also will be fun to play. You are not a fan of it, ok, I respect your opinion.

I understand. I don't think that you are joking. And I was not trying to insult you.

I actually enjoy the faces at the bottom. It's the map itself that needs refinement. I think that the map could be more realistic and still have the cartoonish/silly aspect because of the miner's faces.
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby Flapcake on Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:58 am

chapcrap wrote:
Flapcake wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I know that koontz and Flap like the silliness of the map (I wouldn't call it cartoonish. It looks more like poor graphic work than good cartoon work), but I am not a fan of that. I don't mind the colors being fun/cartoony, but the way the map is currently setup isn't appealing me. However, the concept does appeal to me.


Hi chapcrap, You are 100% entitled to have your opinion, and that is fine, taste is different from person to person, some love Mr. bean, ohters hate him. But im kind of disapointed that you say "poor graphic work" I have spendt good time drawing every thing my self. What is wrong with some silliness ? try to see it as fun and a map you actually can play, I dident made this as a joke (like ohters that do maps as an provocation) but as a serius map that not only looked funny but also will be fun to play. You are not a fan of it, ok, I respect your opinion.

I understand. I don't think that you are joking. And I was not trying to insult you.

I actually enjoy the faces at the bottom. It's the map itself that needs refinement. I think that the map could be more realistic and still have the cartoonish/silly aspect because of the miner's faces.


I see your point, and I know thers kind of distance between the funny faces and the boats, hammers, claims ect. It could be possible to turn more cartoonish look in to it, but I also think ther need to be some kind of balance so it dont get to silly ;) also the new city names this time are not from my imagination, most are names of minerals :!:

Maby the hammers can be changed whit a dynamite stick, and the ships with a more moby dick look a like boat, and the goldbars could be a sign instead that says "I found gold !" just balls thrown in the air :P
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby chapcrap on Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:53 pm

I don't mind the icons so much. It's more the background and setup of the map itself. I think that the gold bars are fine. The hammers would not be awful to keep.
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby army of nobunaga on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:02 am

Ill be honest... I looked at this map a week ago and was like blah.


I have spent the last 10 minutes looking at it today.

Not too damn bad brother.


I suggest this... make it doodle style


you are gonna get bashed for graphics until you 1) conform to these guys idea of gaphics or 2) make the whole map in the style of your miners, cartoonish.


I think you could have a gem with #2

if you go #1.. I do not see this ever making it out.
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby Flapcake on Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:04 am

army of nobunaga wrote:Ill be honest... I looked at this map a week ago and was like blah.


I have spent the last 10 minutes looking at it today.

Not too damn bad brother.


I suggest this... make it doodle style


you are gonna get bashed for graphics until you 1) conform to these guys idea of gaphics or 2) make the whole map in the style of your miners, cartoonish.


I think you could have a gem with #2

if you go #1.. I do not see this ever making it out.


You are entitled to have your opinion and I appreciate you have taken you time studied it and your conclusion, I do not agree with you on the doodle thingy, one doodle map already exist and that is enough for me, I dont like doodle style at all, but that dosent meen that its not allowed to be here, Im sure the majority of gamers loves it.

This gold fever map, Im determined to work on. Iam goin in a more cartoonish way of style but as I mentioned previous, the balance of sillynes and serius must be present.
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:13 am

Flaps, if you want to go the cartoon way, you need to make sure the whole thing is of a cartoon style/theme. Try these images to give you inspiration.
Family guy.
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American Dad.
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King of the hill.
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Archer.
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or even the worst programme on TV today. The Simpsons
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So far, the only cartoon element you have are the miners. The rest are jpegs. Give everything a feel of a modern cartoon but not a mish mash like now.

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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby Flapcake on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:03 pm

My intentions are to make the workers like a old golddigger guy with wild beard, hat and a lit dynamite stick ;)

then the ships do them more like "Moby dick"

and the cities more like old western style instead of cirkles, the claims and the shaft + gold lump fits alrigth.


P.S. tha "Archer" from you job ? hehe

I know what you are after, but when you say cartoon, these are the ones I think of. These are the ones I watch as I gave up on Daffy duck, bugs bunny a long time ago. Your miners do remind me of Bluto from the popeye cartoons but with all of the wrinkles it does not quite work. May I suggest you try o do the whole image as a cartoon film cell. Go and look at the old Disney cartoons (Sleeping Beauty is the best on Blu Ray or Pinocchio) to get a feel of what can be done with a cartoon and still have a menacing look to it.
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:16 pm

Flapcake wrote:My intentions are to make the workers like a old golddigger guy with wild beard, hat and a lit dynamite stick ;)

then the ships do them more like "Moby dick"

and the cities more like old western style instead of cirkles, the claims and the shaft + gold lump fits alrigth.


P.S. tha "Archer" from you job ? hehe


I know what you are after, but when you say cartoon, these are the ones I think of. These are the ones I watch as I gave up on Daffy duck, bugs bunny a long time ago. Your miners do remind me of Bluto from the popeye cartoons but with all of the wrinkles it does not quite work. May I suggest you try o do the whole image as a cartoon film cell. Go and look at the old Disney cartoons (Sleeping Beauty is the best on Blu Ray or Pinocchio) to get a feel of what can be done with a cartoon and still have a menacing look to it.[/quote]
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:19 pm

If you do not like that idea, have a look at new jersey.
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That will probably be as cartoony as you will get. Look at the icons drawn for this one.
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby happy2seeyou on Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:33 pm

For me, looking at this map is confusing. Either go all out with the funny cartoon look or go out on the graphics.

You have a realistic looking gold at the top and boats but your gold diggers are "cartoony". Try sticking to one theme (like doodle earth, I don't play that map often but love how the map maker stuck to one basic theme of crayon childish fun). Also it seems like a lot of wasted space on the map. Is there a better way to bring it all together so it doesn't look like random images being thrown on?
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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby army of nobunaga on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:44 pm

I think you missed my point and decided to get all aggro on me man..

Your miners are awesome and already an almost classic (add an asian dude or two)

But those graphics do not match the map graphics.
I am just telling you I have looked in on this forum for this last 7 years or so, and Maps with mixed types of graphics never go through.


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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby Flapcake on Fri May 04, 2012 5:26 pm

Please set this on vacation for a couple of months, Im dry for ideas rigth now meet the the mobs demand.

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Re: Gold Fever --- 04.21.2012 V2 PG1

Postby koontz1973 on Sat May 05, 2012 12:08 am

[Moved]

As per mapmakers request.

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Flaps, not every idea we have for maps stick. :(
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