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Re: Master of Elements [28 Aug 2012] [p.1/1] - Scroll Map?

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:47 pm

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barrack, looking good and moved back to the drafting room. Will take a look later today and see what I can see.

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Re: Master of Elements [28 Aug 2012] [p.1/1] - Scroll Map?

Postby thehippo8 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:53 am

I much prefer the scroll map. Although on my screen the islands look too faded - can hardly see them!
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Re: Master of Elements [28 Aug 2012] [p.1/1] - Scroll Map?

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:11 am

barrack, as promised, here are some thoughts for you.

Scroll is the way to go. But the one you have is a shitty jpeg that you have enlarged. This is going to be a real sticking point for the map and the hardest one you will have to overcome. Go and find a royalty free one that is larger than your map. Scaling down is always going to look better than scaling up.

With your islands, they are now very washed out. What are your aims with these as I will advise you when I know.

Text, find one that fits the map. If you do not have one, you can go to dafont and down load one that is free.

Give your title a more prominent placing. Make it larger.

Let me know if you need any help.
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Re: Master of Elements [28 Aug 2012] [p.1/1] - Scroll Map?

Postby barrack on Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:02 pm

Thanks koontz. Look forward to an update in a week or so.
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Re: Master of Elements [28 Aug 2012] [p.1/1] - Scroll Map?

Postby Flapcake on Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:35 pm

Hi Barrack,

Nice start, you got the skill for goin all the way I can see.

The scrool look are cool, you migth end up with something else, who knows? but its the rigth direction your goin in my opinion..

Now goin all the way, that meens get it quenched and listed as a solid map on CC, its a process that can take quite a long time, please have patients and stand up for your work. Listen to constructive critique and work with the suggestions that will come. Dont hesitate asking CA´s for advise. If you commit your self and you got the time, you get the pleasure playing you very one map ;)

God spirit and thumps up :) PS. remember to put you last version in top of first page.

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Re: Master of Elements [28 Aug 2012] [p.1/1] - Scroll Map?

Postby barrack on Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:31 am

Flapcake wrote:PS. remember to put you last version in top of first page.


Thanks for the kind words flaps. I didn't realize that I could edit the first post. I'll put the latest there.
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Re: Master of Elements [28 Aug 2012] [p.1/1] - Scroll Map?

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:14 am

barrack wrote:
Flapcake wrote:PS. remember to put you last version in top of first page.


Thanks for the kind words flaps. I didn't realize that I could edit the first post. I'll put the latest there.

Posting an update of the latest image in actual pages of the topic is also useful, as you can then post an image and then ask for feedback regarding a couple of questions you might have (directed feedback might give you some more responses than just say posting an image).

Best of luck, I like the look of this map.


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Re: Master of Elements [02 Sep 2012] [p.1/2] - Scroll? Text?

Postby tkr4lf on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:06 am

Yeah, the scroll map looks much better than the original. Like Koontz said, find a bigger image and scale it down to meet your needs, the way it is, it looks blurry and messy.

I'm not all that familiar with the Avatar series, so can't offer much help regarding titles and terit placement, etc.

I can say that with the background being a scroll, some of the continents blend in too much with the background. Consider changing the colors, or adjusting the hue/lightness etc. to make them stand out more.

I'll post back with more feedback when you upload another draft.

Good luck!
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Re: Master of Elements [03 Sep 2012] [p.1/2] - Scroll! Text?

Postby barrack on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:14 pm

Okay, the scroll's back. I had to scale down the actual map so that it would fit. I kept the blue so that the map wouldn't get lost on the scroll.

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Re: Master of Elements [02 Sep 2012] [p.1/2] - Scroll? Text?

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:52 pm

Barrack, a lot nicer scroll has done wonders for your map. Two things I would like you do do for me and post the result so I can see how it looks. Turn your text of and remove the brown backing. When you have the islands sitting on the scroll, can you go through all of your layer modes for me and opacity with the islands only and post the one you think looks the best. Burn mode on 100% opacity will look bad but burn at 40 or 50% should look OK.

As a new map maker, I do not know your level of experience so forgive if I am saying things you already know. If you do not understand something, ask.
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Re: Master of Elements [02 Sep 2012] [p.1/2] - Scroll? Text?

Postby barrack on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:22 am

How's this? The "brown backing" from the most recent update is actually the same blue as before, it just looks brown because I did a "multiply" layer merge at 75% opacity. So this is basically the same map with with most of the blue taken out, still using multiply at 75%. I left a little blue left to use it as a blurred outline of the shores.

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Re: Master of Elements [03 Sep 2012] [p.2/2] - Scroll? Text?

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:08 am

Something that might look good is this, increase your opacity to 100% and set it on grain merge.

Let me explain my thinking now for you so you do not think I am being overly picky. You now have this nice scroll which is aged some but not a lot. You map though looks like it was drawn on brand new modern paper. We need to find a way to get these two elements to merge. I am thinking that it might be nice for this to go down the kingdoms of Korea route. Having the outlines drawn straight on to the scroll and use a inner glow to separate the regions. Or look at Berlin, how the map is all one colour but of differing shades. This is something that will need to be addressed and it might be wise to find it now than later.

Overall, I have nothing in the way of GP and or styling but would like to get this sorted now before I bung this upstairs.
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Re: Master of Elements [03 Sep 2012] [p.2/2] - Scroll? Text?

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:30 am

You know, don't be afraid to have the scroll go off the image, to give yourself some more gameboard room, like Route 66, Istanbul, Steamworks.

koontz1973 wrote:Let me explain my thinking now for you so you do not think I am being overly picky. You now have this nice scroll which is aged some but not a lot. You map though looks like it was drawn on brand new modern paper. We need to find a way to get these two elements to merge. I am thinking that it might be nice for this to go down the kingdoms of Korea route. Having the outlines drawn straight on to the scroll and use a inner glow to separate the regions. Or look at Berlin, how the map is all one colour but of differing shades. This is something that will need to be addressed and it might be wise to find it now than later.

Honestly, I kind of like the way he has it now. I think keeping it from being overaged and sort of fresh and recently drawn looks pretty cool.


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Re: Master of Elements [03 Sep 2012] [p.2/2] - Scroll? Text?

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:01 am

Andy is right. Leave it as it is now. Get the names bunged back on and lets work from that.
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Re: Master of Elements [04 Sep 2012] [p.2/2] - Scroll? Text?

Postby barrack on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:15 am

In this version, I removed the blue background on the scroll as recommended. I think it looks good without the dark background.

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