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Re: Man, don't get irritated

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:37 am

Can I get a legend clean up please. Seriously cannot read a single word easily.
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Re: Man, don't get irritated

Postby Oneyed on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:30 am

thenobodies80 wrote:Next time send a pm to koontz


as I wrote, I did it ;)
thenobodies80 wrote:[Merged]


thanks, thenobodies :)

Armandolas wrote:It looks interesting. but please change the font and make it more clear.
If u do that ,maybe i can read it without the danger of loosing my sight :)
Change the font and change the style


koontz1973 wrote:Can I get a legend clean up please. Seriously cannot read a single word easily.


my idea about font (legend) was that it is intagliated to table... but it looks that I am outside with this.
Armandolas wrote:The hands and the dice picture are ok.
I will promise that i will give feedback in the game itself after u change the graphics around the board
I seriously cant look at it
Keep up the good work ;)


thanks and looking forward to next feedbacks :)

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Re: Man, don't get irritated

Postby Oneyed on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:31 am

new font of legend

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby P4Ssoa on Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:21 am

I really like the idea! :-)
I read the topic, but some things are not yet clear to me.

"Any of 3 in the row one way attacks any field of nests".
Does this mean you need to have three in a row before you can attack nests? (stupid question, but i've never seen a map before with this option.)
Also do these 3 in the row need to be in the same region as the nests? (example, do you need 3 in a row in region A5 to A11 in order to attack NA1 to NA4?) or can you always attack all the nests when you have 3 in a row?

I don't know if I missed this, but... the normal regions (not nests) are one way attack right? A5 can attack A6 and A7, and A6 can attack A7 and A8...


Cool map, awesome graphics!
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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Falkomagno on Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:42 am

Nice art! keep doing the good work!.
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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Oneyed on Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:33 am

P4Ssoa wrote:I read the topic, but some things are not yet clear to me.

"Any of 3 in the row one way attacks any field of nests".
Does this mean you need to have three in a row before you can attack nests? (stupid question, but i've never seen a map before with this option.)


yes you need to hold 3 normal regions and only then you can attack regions in Nests.
I would like to do this map very extra :) , and no question which could helps is stupid ;)
P4Ssoa wrote:or can you always attack all the nests when you have 3 in a row?


this is right.
P4Ssoa wrote:I don't know if I missed this, but... the normal regions (not nests) are one way attack right? A5 can attack A6 and A7, and A6 can attack A7 and A8...


no. the original idea was to have one way attack here, but to do map more open I made them two way attacks. only from Starts you can one way attacks and it is not possible to attack from Home to normal region.
P4Ssoa wrote:I really like the idea! :-)
Cool map, awesome graphics!


thank you.
and thank you for your input and questions. if something looks not clear in legend (also after my answers), please ask again :)

Falkomagno wrote:Nice art! keep doing the good work!.


thank you :)

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:46 pm

[Moved]

No update has been produced for a month now. Moved into ideas as no stamp has been given yet. Produce an update and it will be moved back.

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby P4Ssoa on Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:08 am

Ok, thanks for answering all my questions.
Attacking both ways will indeed open up the board more. Not to be a pain in the ass, but maybe you should get rid of the arrows then? This will cause confusion to players who play the map for the first time.

One more question: If you hold an entire nest and you want to enter a house, from where can you enter?
Let's say you have the red nest and you want to enter the red house. Can you attack from Start A and D10 or only from D11?

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Oneyed on Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:21 am

koontz1973 wrote:[Moved]

No update has been produced for a month now. Moved into ideas as no stamp has been given yet. Produce an update and it will be moved back.

koontz.


? I changed font in legend because you asked for this, so what more update you waiting for? even if you did not post any gameplay/graphics notices...

P4Ssoa wrote:Not to be a pain in the ass, but maybe you should get rid of the arrows then? This will cause confusion to players who play the map for the first time.


the arrows are needed where they are because from Starts is possible only one way attack.
P4Ssoa wrote:One more question: If you hold an entire nest and you want to enter a house, from where can you enter?
Let's say you have the red nest and you want to enter the red house. Can you attack from Start A and D10 or only from D11?


only from D11 is possible to enter red house. I could maybe delete arrows from all 11 to Starts...

thanks for your input :)

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:25 am

Oneyed, sent to you in PM why I moved it, but here is a few other things to consider.

39 posts.
21 have been made by you.
6 by me. (My 6 are not for support but because of clarity issues)
12 by 10 others.

From my point of view, this map has no support from anyone. I would rather see you try to get your other maps done than to see you try and force this through.
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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Oneyed on Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:18 am

koontz1973 wrote:Oneyed, sent to you in PM why I moved it, but here is a few other things to consider.


your PM says that there was not update. this is lie. and here is probatio:

by koontz1973 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:37 pm
koontz1973 wrote:Can I get a legend clean up please. Seriously cannot read a single word easily.


here is update from me (I did exactly for what you asked - changed font of legend):

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then there was no one post from you about UPDATED version. you just only moved this map away (because only you do not like it)...

koontz1973 wrote:From my point of view, this map has no support from anyone. I would rather see you try to get your other maps done than to see you try and force this through.


yes? so these guys aro nobody?:

isaiah40 wrote:I have to say Oneyed, this current draft is really thinking outside of the box! =D> I really like it! I say if the community wants this, then continue in this vein. Good work!!


Dukasaur wrote:I like the new draft, with the hands and all.

This will probably never be on my favourites list. But then, Poker Club and Chinese Checkers won't be, either. For those who like the game-board maps, this is a good addition.

Bravo!


Armandolas wrote:It looks interesting. but please change the font and make it more clear.

Keep up the good work ;)


P4Ssoa wrote:I really like the idea! :-)

Cool map, awesome graphics!


Falkomagno wrote:Nice art! keep doing the good work!.


koontz, time ago you made me mad, because your ignorantia and nescience. you made me mad now again for the same reason - your ignorantia. I will not more ban my maps or leave foundry because you think that you are the best map maker and half god.

there are some realy cool guys in the foundry who helped me a lot and I will not annul their support and help with my maps.

there is also strong call for make new maps different, special. this map is from gameplay and graphics far different and special and because your mind is closed to new things it must be dead?

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:01 am

6 out of 39 is not support. Think what you like, this map is bad IMO and I do not support it. But I will do my job as far as the foundry goes. That includes me moving maps if they do not get updated within the month. Out of those 6 you say support this map, how many came back? Where is the support from these guys you talk about? And where is your community support. 6 people in 3 months do not say support or that this map should get made. If that happened, then we would end up with so much rubbish. As for me making you mad, sorry you feel that way, but I judge all people the same, by their actions and words. You think I am being harsh, fine, but I am doing what I feel is necessary. Your last update was on the 18th Feb, moved 18th March. 1 month went by with no update.
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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Oneyed on Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:07 am

koontz1973 wrote:But I will do my job as far as the foundry goes. That includes me moving maps if they do not get updated within the month. Out of those 6 you say support this map, how many came back?Your last update was on the 18th Feb, moved 18th March. 1 month went by with no update.


the point is that you did not your job. there was update (February 18) when you asked for it (February 18). and I did not any more update because your ignorantia of current update. do you understand this?

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:09 am

Oneyed wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:But I will do my job as far as the foundry goes. That includes me moving maps if they do not get updated within the month. Out of those 6 you say support this map, how many came back?Your last update was on the 18th Feb, moved 18th March. 1 month went by with no update.


the point is that you did not your job. there was update (February 18) when you asked for it (February 18). and I did not any more update because your ignorantia of current update. do you understand this?

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You updated the map on the 18th, correct?
I moved it one month later, also correct?
I saw the update, I just did not wish to comment. I follow maps I like, but I do my job on all.
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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:39 am

This map will add almost nothing to the site whatsoever.

Half the area of the map isn't even playable either.
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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Oneyed on Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:36 pm

koontz1973 wrote:You updated the map on the 18th, correct?
I moved it one month later, also correct?
I saw the update, I just did not wish to comment.


then why you asked for updated version with changed font in legend? just to bugger?
koontz1973 wrote:I follow maps I like, but I do my job on all.


you are blue guy, so your job is follow all maps. when you would be "only" normal member of foundry you can follow only what you like.

nolefan5311 wrote:This map will add almost nothing to the site whatsoever.

Half the area of the map isn't even playable either.


you are wrong in both notices.
and you did not read legend when you said that half of map is not playable...

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:48 pm

Ok, it's time to take a break for you both. =;

Please gimme the time to review the whole thread, understand the current situation and post my thoughts.
Don't force me to post here again (before I'm able to give a objective opinion on the matter) just to stop the current debacle or I will lock the thread.

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:34 pm

Oneyed wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:You updated the map on the 18th, correct?
I moved it one month later, also correct?
I saw the update, I just did not wish to comment.


then why you asked for updated version with changed font in legend? just to bugger?
koontz1973 wrote:I follow maps I like, but I do my job on all.


you are blue guy, so your job is follow all maps. when you would be "only" normal member of foundry you can follow only what you like.

nolefan5311 wrote:This map will add almost nothing to the site whatsoever.

Half the area of the map isn't even playable either.


you are wrong in both notices.
and you did not read legend when you said that half of map is not playable...

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It can't be wrong to state an opinion, and my opinion is this map will rarely ever get played.

And I just wonder...how you talk to koontz in this thread...is that how you talk to people in real life?
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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Oneyed on Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:29 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:It can't be wrong to state an opinion, and my opinion is this map will rarely ever get played.


no it is not. but before you post your opinion read map correctly. it is not true that half of regions will be nonplayable...
nolefan5311 wrote:And I just wonder...how you talk to koontz in this thread...is that how you talk to people in real life?


it was koontz who asked for update. I did it and he ignored it. so if he knew that he not support this map why he asked for update? only for bugger?

you know nothing about my real life, so whist :-$

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:02 pm

Oneyed wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:It can't be wrong to state an opinion, and my opinion is this map will rarely ever get played.


no it is not. but before you post your opinion read map correctly. it is not true that half of regions will be nonplayable...


I didn't say half the regions would not be playable. I said half the map is non playable space, i.e., there is a lot of wasted space on the map.

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nolefan5311 wrote:And I just wonder...how you talk to koontz in this thread...is that how you talk to people in real life?


it was koontz who asked for update. I did it and he ignored it. so if he knew that he not support this map why he asked for update? only for bugger?

you know nothing about my real life, so whist :-$

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I didn't claim to know anything about your personal life. The point I was making is that, perhaps if you were a little more respectful in how you talked to people, and less confrontational all the time, things would be a bit smoother for you here in the Foundry. I honestly don't expect you to understand, or really care, but seeing someone call someone else ignorant when they clearly have no idea what they're talking about bothered me.
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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Oneyed on Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:00 am

nolefan5311 wrote:I didn't claim to know anything about your personal life.


then for what you mentioned it?
nolefan5311 wrote:The point I was making is that, perhaps if you were a little more respectful in how you talked to people, and less confrontational all the time, things would be a bit smoother for you here in the Foundry.


what? there was just one confrontation from me in Hungary map. so do not say demagogy.
nolefan5311 wrote:I honestly don't expect you to understand, or really care, but seeing someone call someone else ignorant when they clearly have no idea what they're talking about bothered me.


as you did not correct read map (and then you said bullshit about it) you also did not correct read what was said. I did not said that koontz is ignorant, I said that he ignored my updated version.
and when you are so sapient tell me if it is correct from blue guy to ask for update and when map maker did update blue guy ignore it.

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:21 am

Okay that will be enough of this bickering.

Oneyed, koontz has already said that he saw the update but choose not to say anything. You didn't do an update since the 18th of Feb so on the 18th of March koontz moved it into the Melting Pot. We move maps into the Recycling Bin (those that have a stamp) or into the Melting Pot (those without a stamp) after 1 month has passed without an update from the mapmaker. Koontz did the right thing as you did not provide an update between Feb 18th and March 18th.

SO if you want this map to proceed, then you will have to do another update to get moved mack into the Drafting Room.

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:46 am

Wow, I kindly asked to stop this and wait for a my post, but it seems no one here is able to wait 24 hours.

I'll unlock this topic this evening, after posting my thoughts on this useless battle that is going on and also on the map idea.

I don't like to lock topics, but it seems we can't talk about the map idea without fall into personal attacks for now, so the lock is the only way I have to prevent worst actions on my part. till

I'll post here in few hours.

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:15 pm

It's clear that more than a month has passed so I'm not going to spend time on it, I need only to quote isaiah40:

isaiah40 wrote: Koontz did the right thing as you did not provide an update between Feb 18th and March 18th.

SO if you want this map to proceed, then you will have to do another update to get moved mack into the Drafting Room.


Now, what I'm really sad to see is a such level of bitterness into the discussion. For this reason I want to clarify a thing:

Oneyed wrote:you are blue guy, so your job is follow all maps. when you would be "only" normal member of foundry you can follow only what you like.


The drafting room CA must follow all maps. It's exactly his duty. But while he does his job he needs to understand which ideas could become a CC map or stay just an idea.
The fact that a CA, who is there exactly for that reasons, is not supporting your map deoasn't mean he is not following it. A map can proceed through the foundry even if CAs don't support it. CAs are there to help the foundry process and guide the mapmaker to the right way, but we always consider the community support while judging a situation.
If a CA is not supporting your map, simply he is keeping track of the activity in your thread, he reads the posts...but he has decided to not post directly in your map thread if not for technical reasons. While doing this, the CA is not ignoring the map but simply since he thinks the idea is not totally worth a map he decides to test the community support.
If there's no support the CA has a real proof of his doubts about a map.

This is what koontz has done and it's exactly what I would have done. If you have doubts, see what the people thinks. For me he has acted in the right way.
If I look at the number he has posted, maybe you should consider that he could be not totally wrong. For this reason, maybe you should not reply to everyone in such way. I don't know if it's because the different languages or if it's because the web can easily cause some misunderstanding, but I can assure to you that no one here is trying to offend you in any way. CAs critiques are always referred to the map and not to the mapmaker. In addition if you reply to critiques in that way you will get only less people posting on your map thread.

Now, I think you (oneyed) are a good mapmaker and you're trying to explore new fields, I'm happy to have you here around and I really like your tanks map.
But it's not easy to deal with you, you take everything really personal, specially when you don't agree. Sure, there should be discussion and reasons must be given from both parts but your words sounds always so grumpy when you don't agree.

I don't want to start another duel so please consider that I'm talking objectively: I can easily count the real posts in this thread with my hands.
We can debate about the value of your idea for days and do not find an agreement. i want to speak frankly: my suggestion for you is forget this project and instead focus on the tank map and also on the great war map.
Since, the biggest issue is support, I have a proposal. Test the community support yourself, maybe with a simple poll.

If you don't know how to start a poll, just send me a PM.

So, please everyone chill down, it's possible to have a discussion without being rude.
koontz has moved to gameplay, i will follow the DR so I will follow your map. (btw I don't want to see the same thing happen there :evil: )
My very first suggestion for your map and you is what I said here above, test community support.

When it's done we have several things to discuss.
About the update you can work again with the legend. The legend must be clear and easy to read, your legend background+the current font make everything more hard to read.

If you want to discuss more about the recent diatribe I kindly ask to you to use pms, in this way we can keep the discussion in the topic focused on the map development only.

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Re: Man, don't get irritated, new font - Feb 18, page 3

Postby Oneyed on Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:02 am

isaiah40 wrote:Oneyed, koontz has already said that he saw the update but choose not to say anything. You didn't do an update since the 18th of Feb so on the 18th of March koontz moved it into the Melting Pot. Koontz did the right thing as you did not provide an update between Feb 18th and March 18th.


the point is that in Feb 18th koontz asked for new font in legend. I posted updated version in Feb 18th, but then he ignored it. so why he asked for this update then? why he after my update did not wrote something like "this is not enough", "the legend is still hard readable"...
isaiah40 wrote:SO if you want this map to proceed, then you will have to do another update to get moved mack into the Drafting Room.


and which new update? nobody (also koontz) did not ask for next changes.

btw isaiah, I PMed you in March 2nd for any help or your opinion, but you did not replay more as 20 days (just short answer as "sorry I have no time/interest", "sorry will think about this later" would be enough if you had no time or interest). and I PMed to you not because to bother you, but because I think that you have masterbrain as CA. so try to think about yourself also.

thenobodies80 wrote:It's clear that more than a month has passed so I'm not going to spend time on it, I need only to quote isaiah40:

This is what koontz has done and it's exactly what I would have done.


I do not agree. as I wrote here 100 times, koontz asked for update (change the font of legend). I did it. and he ignored it. if he asked for this update he could also comment this update. how could mapmaker knows what more is needed to do, what is CA´s opinion?
thenobodies80 wrote:But it's not easy to deal with you, you take everything really personal, specially when you don't agree. Sure, there should be discussion and reasons must be given from both parts but your words sounds always so grumpy when you don't agree.


realy? could you tell me where/when this happend except now and Hungary map? I saw some discusions much more grumpy in the foundry...
maybe sometimes is problem language, maybe sometimes is problem that in my opinion CAs have requests on mapmakers but there is not such feedback from CAs...
thenobodies80 wrote:Since, the biggest issue is support, I have a proposal. Test the community support yourself, maybe with a simple poll.


it was you who told me that poll solve nothing ;)
thenobodies80 wrote:If you want to discuss more about the recent diatribe I kindly ask to you to use pms, in this way we can keep the discussion in the topic focused on the map development only.


I also hope that this is last post which has nothing with map.

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