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Postby Ronaldinho on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:29 pm

colinb007 wrote:I think it's almost perfect!!!
I just cant keep track of the smaller islands though


yeah but part from that PERFECT!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:34 pm

just refreshed the picture and the font is too much.. I liked the old font much more... the impact font hurts my eyes.
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Postby Ronaldinho on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:39 pm

try comic sans thats a wicked sick font!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:50 pm

i liked the font before.. ti complimented the style.
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Postby Ronaldinho on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:52 pm

just try comic sans and see, its a real good font honest
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Postby rocksolid on Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:39 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:I think you should merge peten and guatemala.. make it 2 borders there.


Boo. I dissent. Keep them separate.
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Postby happysadfun on Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:16 pm

what about the us? i really don't get its connection to the caribbean, and arizona and texas really don't need to be there. i love the map, but there are these little parts that make it less of a caribbean map and more of a middle america map. florida is worth keeping though.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:30 pm

During the last attempt at are Caribbean map, I was wondering a few of the same things regarding the importance of some countries. For instance as noted,

    Arizona - Far from the Caribbean.
    Baja California - Same
    The West side of Mexico
    The West side of Central America
    Parts of South America, far from the Caribean


One idea is that you could combine countries, Peten and Guatamala, Honduras and El Salvador, etc. Making it so there aren't countries that are just on the pacific...considering a pacific only touching country would make much sense on a Caribbean map, at least my logic.

The problem though is, if this is done, harder to get the number of countries needed. Essentially you get rid of a 1/3 or so of the countries, which makes it perhaps difficult to find replacement areas.

Maybe the best idea, is look into creating a 'closer look' of the Caribbean. Where you only see the East side of Mexico, Florida, perhaps a few of the other gulf states, and even less of South America.

Just some thoughts and ideas.


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Postby maritovw on Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:46 pm

when i started making this map, i first tought about the region of where i wanted to do the map, then i tought about the name... so i don't like the idea of merging and removing much territories... maybe i should change the name, "middle america" maybe like happysadfun said... any suggestions for the name???

about the font, i liked the last one too but it was kinda hard to read, i think this one is better, and i'm not much of a comic sans fan, but i may give it a try....
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Postby sully800 on Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:06 pm

I think its fine calling it a Carribean map. That is the central part of this map, with some surrounding areas as well. I suppose I'm just not picky about the title but I don't think its worth sacrificing countries and gameplay just so the title is more accurate.

I still don't like the new font....its much easier to read but too tall and blocky- doesn't seem to fit with the map well anymore. I just looked through some fonts quickly and I think something like Book Antiqua, Courant or Papyrus would look better for the map but still be more legible than the first font was.

I like the overall look of the map a lot right now. However the islands seem unclear- you can't really tell which names belong to which islans, and which ones are grouped together. Perhaps you could distinguish the different areas better somehow? I don't know exactly what to suggest....perhaps an outline around the groups of islands or a different coloring in the water? I think those would both look gaudy but right now its too hard to tell what the labels are talking about.

You also seem to be missing some connections in the islands. I'm assumign Jamaica attaches to Haiti or Cuba or both but its not marked. Puerto Rico is probably supposed to connect to R Dominicana and Virgin I. And the Lesser Antilles seem to be missing a few connections as well or else I am just not understanding the labels.
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Postby maritovw on Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:18 pm

ok, i will try another font... about the islands, i think it will be clear when i add the circles, because each name will have a circle next to it, that should clear things up... about the island connections, i didn't add them cause i thought they were like obvious, but i think it will be better to add them so that there are no confusions
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Postby rocksolid on Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:23 pm

I would like the included area to remain as it is. Southern Arizona and Texas are very immediate to Sonorans and Chihuahuans, even if they're far from the Caribbean Sea, so if you're keeping northern Mexico...and I think it would be weird to lose northern Mexico if you're keeping southern Mexico...and I think it would be weird to, ah, you know where this is going. But having only one coast of Central America would be weird, and I like splitting up the countries that are split up.

I think it's fine as is, but if people are concerned about the title/concept not matching the area, the name could be changed to New Spain, or Columbus' World...I'd have to check up on this, but I'm pretty sure everything from north of Arizona to the bottom of this map and everything in between was once part of New Spain, except maybe Louisiana (New France?) and Georgia (New Poland?).

Again, I don't think it's a problem. This part of the world should just have a map.
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Postby Ishiro on Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:36 am

Just call the map "Pirates of the Caribbean" ... the real pirates actually landed on the gulf coast of Central America, and marched to the pacific side to raid Spanish towns, so that still works... the stuff in North America not so much...
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Postby zorba_ca on Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:03 am

Hi Maritovw:

Great job on the map! It's very rare you see such a developed product on the first post. Your work is very impressive.

I just want to comment on three issues with the playability:

1. When using a group of islands as one territory (such as The Bahamas) it can be confusing which islands are part of that territory. The Greece map had the same issue and that mapmaker drew a circle around the Kyklades to help and I find it works very well. You should probably check it out.

2. Make the attack lines between the islands as clear as possible so there is no confusion about which island (or island group) can attack where.

3. Try to avoid the map being played in a circular manner. What I mean is that you should allow attacks from Cuba to the Yucatan, not just have the Inner Antilles connected in a linear manner.

Looking forward to seeing the next version!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:33 am

Ishiro wrote:Just call the map "Pirates of the Caribbean" ... t.


thats not a trademarked name or anything... :roll:



well come to think of it.. it may not be..
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