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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:43 am
by Ronaldinho
im pritty sure that would be copyright? lol its a film or at least somone told me it was.....

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:53 pm
by maritovw
i will be posting a new version in a couple of days.. i will post two or three maps with different fonts to compare them.....

about the name, i may call it "The New World" or as rock suggested "New Spain" (or "Nueva España" wich is the same but in spanish)... i'll open a poll to decide on the best name...

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:16 pm
by wcaclimbing
not new world cause both north south and central america were considered the new world, not just the carribean and area around it

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:37 pm
by Marvaddin
Same with New Spain, dont you agree? Spain had really most lands in South America at that time...

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:58 pm
by Ronaldinho
I voted for Nueva España its a bit different and sounds cool

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:08 pm
by Ishiro
If you shifted the map down a little to exclude most of North America (leave Florida as part of an island continent) and include more of South America, you could call it The Spanish Main.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:22 am
by happysadfun
but the portuguese and italians had almost all of brazil, so that wouldn't work, unless you made brazil unoccupiable, but then marvaddin wouldn't play it :)

PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:07 am
by Marvaddin
Of course I wont!! :wink: :lol:
Italians? What Italians???? :?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:18 am
by maritovw
maritovw wrote:i will be posting a new version in a couple of days..


i'm afraid that won't be possible... this week i will be loaded with tests (calculus & differential equations :? ) and a C++ project so i really don't think i will be able to post a new version this week, but next week i surely will...

nonetheless, keep voting in the poll and commenting... as of now, "The Caribbean Sea", "Nueva España", and "Middle America" are the most popular... personally, i'd prefer "Nueva España", but the people wil decide on this one...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:55 am
by happysadfun
new spain in either language doesn't work because of arizona and texas, unless the timeframe was set to back before the louisiana purchase, in which case many of the states could be renamed northern mexico. and sorry, marvaddin, i had some history wrong. italians poured into southern brazil (by porto alegre) and northern argentina and uruguay, but did not own it.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:37 pm
by fluffybunnykins
I voted Nueva Espana... I like anything a bit different and that enhances or illustrates the flavour of the map.
Hey Maritovw, you really in Guatemala? I lived there for a few months a while back. Learnt spanish there, which is why spanish people look at me funny when I speak to them! That and that I'm still rubbish... pues...
El mapa esta bien realizado, creo que jugara bueno. Felicitaciones!
Hasta Luego

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:06 pm
by rocksolid
happysadfun wrote:new spain in either language doesn't work because of arizona and texas, unless the timeframe was set to back before the louisiana purchase, in which case many of the states could be renamed northern mexico.


Before Mexican independence in 1821 - when they became part of Mexico - Arizona and Texas were both part of New Spain.

There are definitely parts of this map that weren't in New Spain, but I think it's close enough for CC purposes...

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:14 am
by happysadfun
well then shouldn't texas and arizona be part of mexico, and possibly florida part of the greater antilles? better yet, wasn't there one half of florida owned by the us (west florida i think) and one part by spain? couldn't that be added? that would work! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! SORRY THE ADHD PILLS DON'T WORK

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:50 am
by Fireside Poet
Great map, but it the font used in the legend and the name is begging for a pirate a la Blackbeard or something from the old Sid Meier's classic Pirates!

Do love the map and look forward to playing it out.

Just a thought...

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:26 pm
by maritovw
the map is located in the area where the spanish once had most of their colonies, so you tell me that some US territories don't belong to the map because they were never spain's.... deleting this territories would be like deleting Africa and the Near East on the Europe map or like deleting Oceania in the Asia map... got my point? this territories didn't belong to spain but they were borders of spain's territories, so they are also important because border conflicts have been common in all america, especially in the 19th century. so, even if they never actually belonged to spain, i think i should leave them there because of their historical importance...


rocksolid wrote:There are definitely parts of this map that weren't in New Spain, but I think it's close enough for CC purposes...

this is exactly what i mean!!!


hey fluffybunnykins: si, yo soy de Guatemala (that explains this post lol)... you almost got right what you wrote, only "que jugara bueno" is wrong, it should be "que se jugara bien" lol... and that "pues" es muy guatemalteco :lol:

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:32 pm
by maritovw
well, finally i had time to work on this map so here it is!! the last UPDATE.

things updated:
- drew all attack routes
- added the circles
- changed the font

as i had promised, i created several versions of the map, all the same but with different fonts, to choose the best one. here are the maps:
- Font no. 1
- Font no. 2
- Font no. 3
- Font no. 4
- Font no. 5

i'm opening a new poll to vote for the font you like the best. personally, i like no. 5 because it has some style but it still is very readable.
EDIT: i'm not changing the poll so post here to vote

please, i'd appreciate your comments very much!!


about the name poll, below are the results. because no name got at least half the votes, i'll open a "second round" after choosing the font. in this second round only "The Caribbean Sea" and "Nueva España" will be available.
EDIT: already changed. VOTE NOW!!

How should this map be named?
"The Caribbean Sea" 39% [ 16 ]
"The New World" 14% [ 6 ]
"New Spain" 2% [ 1 ]
"Nueva España" (spanish for "New Spain") 29% [ 12 ]
"Middle America" 14% [ 6 ]

Total Votes : 41

PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:37 pm
by maritovw
isn't there a way to change the poll??? :?: :?: :?:

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:08 am
by gavin_sidhu
aww.. middle america got knocked out, but i guess the majority ruled. If people are complaining about the political corectness, I think you could get away with it if you trim the top of the map so it looks more concentrated and focussed on the spanish part of america even though the number of USA territories remain the same. The Europe map has lots of countries that are not part of europe but it does not look that way because only the very north of african territories is shown. Only problem is then you would be squished for space.

how about we name it

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:57 pm
by reaper
how about we name it if u want to kill a spanish person look for 1 in 1 of these states

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:09 pm
by Evil Pope
The attack routes are a bit hard to see.. could you darken them, or lighten them, or change their color, or something?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:19 pm
by Fireside Poet
Font #5 in my book is the best one.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:52 pm
by sully800
I like font #2 and #5.

I also think the attack routes are a bit too faint. And the curves make them even more confusing. All the curving routes bettween the lesser antilles is very hard to follow I think. Why not just use straight lines?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:23 am
by happysadfun
maritovw wrote:i'm using the local language to write the name of each territory and continent, i like it better that way... but if everyone else thinks i should put them all in english, i can do that too... just lemme know what you all think :wink:

i've just added a new update of the map, so check it out and speak!

i have one question though, what should be the size of the circles?? and, is this size the same on both maps (small and large) or should it be smaller in the small map?



if the title of the map ends up in english, put the continents in english. if it ends up in spanish, keep them the same.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:30 pm
by fluffybunnykins
I vote Nueva Espana
and fonts 1 or 5
2 is too comic book to be on an olde world map
3 is too uptight & unflamboyant for this area of the world & hard to read, too
4 is just too informal for a map of this stature, it's also kind of a title font, rather than a 'body text' one...
just my opinions though
Personally, I really like the curved routes, again I think they add to the theme, but I do think they could be in a clearer colour, and maybe the gaps and/or dashes could be shorter too. That might also help the clarity...

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:18 pm
by ChiefManyFeet
Font 5 and keep the curves baby...

And maybe making the curves the same white as the font would help...