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War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby bspride on Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:20 pm

Basic Info
38 territories
4 continents
This map is over the Civil War fought in England...

Version 13
Major change...flipped map and i am looking for a new direction to go with gameplay...any comments or advice on which direction to head is welcome
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Version 12
changed color...changed docks...comment on which text looks better
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapv12.jpg
Version 11
Moved minimap...added bonuses...moved text
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV11.jpg
Version 10!
Added bonuses...moved one battle...moved text...resized text...added mini map
Any ideas for how the continents should be labeled in the mini map?
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV10.jpg
Version 9...moved text...made army circles smaller
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV9.jpg
Version 8...enlarged playable area...moved legend...added army circles...added territory names...moved compass...moved roses...
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV8.jpg
small map Version 8
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV8small.jpg
Version 7...added legend...added text...moved compass
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV7.jpg
Version 6...added docks...added rivers....added houses of lancaster and york
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV6.jpg
Version 5...named territories...enlarged parchment...fixed parchment...fixed title
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV5.jpg
Version 4...fixed territory lines...enlarged playing field...added title
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV4.jpg
Version 3...changed background and added 42 territories
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV3.jpg
Version 2...changed it up a bit...tell me what you think about it...
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/mapV2.jpg
I am in the process of creating a map for the War of the Roses...here is my first rough draft...still need to add territories and such...
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff119/bspride/map1.jpg
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea

Postby bryguy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:21 pm

sounds good! to bad i forget what war that was.... uh... google it! ill edit this once i google...


edit: okay i googled it! cant wait now! maybe make it like an old parchment map? oh and what are you using to make this?
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea

Postby ZeakCytho on Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:22 pm

Could be a good idea. Could be a bad one. Once you get a draft up, you'll get more helpful comments :)
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea

Postby RjBeals on Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:23 pm

Will Danny Devito be in it?
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea

Postby bspride on Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:26 pm

RjBeals wrote:Will Danny Devito be in it?

sry...he didnt pass the height requirements :D
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea

Postby RjBeals on Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:36 pm

bspride wrote:
RjBeals wrote:Will Danny Devito be in it?

sry...he didnt pass the height requirements :D



Nice...
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea

Postby bspride on Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:11 pm

bryguy wrote:sounds good! to bad i forget what war that was.... uh... google it! ill edit this once i google...


edit: okay i googled it! cant wait now! maybe make it like an old parchment map? oh and what are you using to make this?

thats exactly what i was thinking ;) ...very rough first draft still need to add title...the roses represent the two different houses...I want to add some history there...comments?
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bryguy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:42 pm

1) Nice job on the parchment look! better than when i did it! but the edges could use a little work... I suggest taking a small eraser brush around the edge and just make it look a little more natural (if your using GIMP, then a fuzzy 3 brush would work nicely :) )
2) The actual map itself could use some work. I suggest doing the following:

Use a fuzzy selection brush on a picture of that area to get the outline and such of it
Fill that with the color u used for the parchment before you bumpmapped it and such
Remove the fuzzy selection (cntrl+shift+a) and then take a small fuzzy 3 brush eraser around the edge, like for the parchment
Somehow add a small (1 pixel or fuzzy 3 brush would work nice) outline around the main part of the map
Fuzzy select it again, and then do Select: Invert, create a new layer, and then fill the fuzzy select on the new layer with a color darker than the parchment (not much darker, but noticeably darker)
Remove the fuzzy select, then fuzzy select the area around the parchment, and erase in there
Move the different layers around so that the darker layer is below the main map part
Change the opacity of the land layer and the darker layer (WATER!!) to like 50% or around there. Maybe try different layer modes, like Overylay or Color.

that should make it look better, and maybe do the same sort of thing to the roses. Oh, and maybe make the roses layers fit onto the parchment and set their layers to maybe Color or Overlay, and mess around with the opacity.

If thats to confusing, maybe just pm me and ill try to let u know what i mean :D

oh and also add a legend onto the map. And territories.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby whitestazn88 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:42 pm

dude... make the playable area bigger please
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bryguy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:11 pm

also, if im correct, the war of the roses was in england, not scotland... i think thats scotland up at the top at least... sorry, im not good at geometry :mrgreen:
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bspride on Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:14 pm

bryguy wrote:also, if im correct, the war of the roses was in england, not scotland... i think thats scotland up at the top at least... sorry, im not good at geometry :mrgreen:

i dont know...just grabbed a map of internet...just for reference
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby ZeakCytho on Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:26 pm

bryguy wrote:sorry, im not good at geometry :mrgreen:


Geography, you mean? :P

I agree that the playable area needs to be enlarged.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bryguy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:33 pm

ZeakCytho wrote:
bryguy wrote:sorry, im not good at geometry :mrgreen:


Geography, you mean? :P

I agree that the playable area needs to be enlarged.



yea i did mean geography, but i decided to kid around and put in geometry, thats why there was a :mrgreen: smilie, i usually only use those when im kidding around.

If he removes scotland and increases the rest it gives more playing room. Ill put up an example of what i mean in a little bit or tomorrow
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby whitestazn88 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:56 pm

i suppose geometry would help make the playable area larger though..
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bryguy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:28 pm

whitestazn88 wrote:i suppose geometry would help make the playable area larger though..


lol true, it just might!
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bryguy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:39 pm

heres an example of what i think it should look more like...

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sorry its so dark, i did something wrong making the parchment and it ended up dark :oops:


edit: oh, and i have a couple of lines that i just drew in randomly that show theres room for territories and such
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby oaktown on Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:46 pm

if this looks like a serious attempt I'll move it over to drafts.

My early comments are these:

1. Think about somehow making key family members territories in addition to the traditional chunks of land... control all of the Lancasters and receive a Head of House bonus, etc.

2. I agree with the earlier post that Scotland shouldn't be in this map. If it is going to be included it should probably just be represented by a single territory, and if you hold that and one of the English families you get some kind of bonus (I might be remembering wrong, but I think the Scots sided with one of the families - the Yorks I think?). You could do the same with France - control a family and forge an international alliance for a bonus.

3. Focus first on the map and the gameplay itself - don't put a lot of time and effort into the background or making the Roses look right, as that can come later.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:02 am

bryguy wrote:heres an example of what i think it should look more like...

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sorry its so dark, i did something wrong making the parchment and it ended up dark :oops:


edit: oh, and i have a couple of lines that i just drew in randomly that show theres room for territories and such

love what you did to the map...I will try to make that sometime by tonight...yet i still want to roses in opposite corners so i can have room to explain about the families...

And Oaktown I like your ideas about France and Scotland being in the gameplay but i dont think i could fit them in...I will also try to work in controlling the different houses somehow...

Thanks for the comments...keep them coming in
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:36 am

I had an idea last night of how maybe you could have the different houses thing. Maybe you could have different shaded areas on the land part for that parts allegiance to whichever house, and if theres some areas where there is no allegiance, then have those the regular parchment color. So you could have like a bonus for holding an entire house, and a +1 or +2 bonus for holding that house and the neutral (no allegiance) areas.


edit: oh and also, your gonna need some impassables. Since your doing a parchment look, holes in the parchment (or tears, whatever) would work nicely.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 2)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:33 am

Version 2 is up...comments?
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 2)

Postby whitestazn88 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:03 am

i don't like the hole in the paper at all, and the background is hideous
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 2)

Postby oaktown on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:42 am

moved to drafts - and stanz is right, the background doesn't look so hot.

again, ignore the background/visual details for now and give us some territories. Making it pretty can come later.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:53 am

Version 3
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:54 pm

looking good!

1) You put a hole in the paper on both flowers, so you need to do the same thing to the flowers there. And once you do that, redo the color around the parchment, so it includes the holes
2) Englands size needs to be increases slightly. Try rotating it to the right a little and then expanding it. But if you do that, add a compass somewhere on the map to show that north is slightly to the left, and to show that england is rotated.
3) The territories are a little small, but increasing englands size should fix that
4) Some of the territories need some work
5) Theres not much contrast between water and land.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:09 pm

bryguy wrote:looking good!

1) You put a hole in the paper on both flowers, so you need to do the same thing to the flowers there. And once you do that, redo the color around the parchment, so it includes the holes
2) Englands size needs to be increases slightly. Try rotating it to the right a little and then expanding it. But if you do that, add a compass somewhere on the map to show that north is slightly to the left, and to show that england is rotated.
3) The territories are a little small, but increasing englands size should fix that
4) Some of the territories need some work
5) Theres not much contrast between water and land.

didnt notice the holes will change that
will easily increase the size...still looking for a good compass though...any help with that would be awesome
Territories will grow when england grows
Territories were pretty rough sketches
And i dont have any water...
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