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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 12 p.8) [Vacation]

Postby bspride on Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:01 pm

Map Update

After moving it back to the living lol...I have looked at my original map and decided to make a few changes...hopefully i will have the revised map up by the end of the week...
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 12 p.8)

Postby bspride on Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:46 pm

Whoop Whoop...after about a half year lay off im ready to begin again on this epic journey of making a map lol...after looking over past comments and concerns about my map i have switched it up quite a bit...please compare to last version which can be found on page 8 or in a link in the first post...i have changed the map to make better use of the room allotted yet i still feel there is to much dead space on the map...comments and concerns are always welcome!
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby jefjef on Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:28 am

War of the roses was all about kindoms - villages & castles...... Ya could include castles for each kindom & family crests would be cool (lots of color & neat shields) and I believe London and a couple other cities was of importance then & ya could do an auto deploy of 1 (like in europe 1914)too & ya could split S england and give ya another bonus area & increase wales value...... Nice work - cool idea =D>
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby sailorseal on Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:47 pm

Could you define the borders more they are difficult to make out, I like the texture you have going but I think you have overused it, its hard to see most details maybe lighten up a little.
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby bspride on Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:54 pm

sailorseal wrote:Could you define the borders more they are difficult to make out, I like the texture you have going but I think you have overused it, its hard to see most details maybe lighten up a little.

By lighten up a little...do you mean lightening the parchment?
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby MrBenn on Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:39 am

jefjef wrote:War of the roses was all about kindoms - villages & castles...... Ya could include castles for each kindom & family crests would be cool (lots of color & neat shields) and I believe London and a couple other cities was of importance then & ya could do an auto deploy of 1 (like in europe 1914)too & ya could split S england and give ya another bonus area & increase wales value...... Nice work - cool idea =D>

I'd like to see a bit more history conveyed in the map somehow....

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/colbeck/england_wars_of_the_roses.jpg
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/01library/01archives/03maps/03sha/england1455.jpg
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby walnutwatson on Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:30 am

The last version of this map that I saw had the locations of the main battles signified by crossed swords. They seem to have disappeared but I was going to suggest auto-deploy on them, also Hull, Bristol, Liverpool and London would be good places for sea routes
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby kevusher on Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:10 am

I think the central idea is really good, but a few thoughts on the geography.... The House of York rose should really be one territory to the left ie. currently where the "Engl" of North England is. This obviously brings it adjacent to the red rose, so why not include London in a "hold opposing rose + London" type bonus. Historically London was the real strategic hub, and you have to remember that the terms York and Lancaster as personal titles were losing their geographic links around this time... A modern example for those who know the geography is that Chatsworth House, the seat of the Duke of Devonshire is actually in Derbyshire ~300miles away (or 2/3 of the map is possibly a better description!)
I also slightly disagree with the idea of it being a war between kingdoms, as I'd say it was more a dispute between 2 central factions but with changeable minor allies. Don't think that's too important at this stage, but was a little concerned in case the gameplay started drifting away from the history....
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:14 am

All the lines are way too light. I can't read a thing.
Darken the bolder lines as well as the interior lines (without losing the difference in darkness between them).

The names of the regions are way too light.

The numbers in the minimap are too small, as are the words below it.

All of the external words, even though I can read them after looking for a moment, need to be darker.

Bring out the color in the roses, I think.

After the graphical problems are addressed, I'll comment on gameplay.
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby jefjef on Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:44 am

Great idea of the roses being a bonus only when held in conjunction with london. Other wise N England would be worth 6 when completely held..................
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby God Emperor Q on Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:05 pm

At first glance, it is really hard to tell seperate terits apart. Maybe darker lines? Or you could give them names? I would go with darker lines for a start though. I also think you could do more with this map, looks a bit straight forward. Maybe each terit could be controlled by a kingdom, and each kingdom could be controlled by a house (kingdom is the worng word, i know). Idk, all i know is that after reading Richard III i was confused, so i think this map can be a lot more... confusing? :D
Great start though, and your 13 drafts show that your willing to do work, which is good.

Good Luck,
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby bspride on Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:37 pm

God Emperor Q wrote:At first glance, it is really hard to tell seperate terits apart. Maybe darker lines? Or you could give them names? I would go with darker lines for a start though. I also think you could do more with this map, looks a bit straight forward. Maybe each terit could be controlled by a kingdom, and each kingdom could be controlled by a house (kingdom is the worng word, i know). Idk, all i know is that after reading Richard III i was confused, so i think this map can be a lot more... confusing? :D
Great start though, and your 13 drafts show that your willing to do work, which is good.

Good Luck,
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I will definitely darken the lines...i dont want to name them though...that seems to hard and crowds the map too much...And any suggestions on gameplay ideas would be gladly accepted!
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby jefjef on Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:04 pm

MrBenn wrote:
jefjef wrote:War of the roses was all about kindoms - villages & castles...... Ya could include castles for each kindom & family crests would be cool (lots of color & neat shields) and I believe London and a couple other cities was of importance then & ya could do an auto deploy of 1 (like in europe 1914)too & ya could split S england and give ya another bonus area & increase wales value...... Nice work - cool idea =D>

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http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/colbeck/england_wars_of_the_roses.jpg
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/01library/01archives/03maps/03sha/england1455.jpg
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Re: War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:07 pm

[Moved]

It would appear that development of this map has stalled. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Foundry Moderators will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;-)
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