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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bryguy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:39 pm

heres an example of what i think it should look more like...

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sorry its so dark, i did something wrong making the parchment and it ended up dark :oops:


edit: oh, and i have a couple of lines that i just drew in randomly that show theres room for territories and such
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby oaktown on Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:46 pm

if this looks like a serious attempt I'll move it over to drafts.

My early comments are these:

1. Think about somehow making key family members territories in addition to the traditional chunks of land... control all of the Lancasters and receive a Head of House bonus, etc.

2. I agree with the earlier post that Scotland shouldn't be in this map. If it is going to be included it should probably just be represented by a single territory, and if you hold that and one of the English families you get some kind of bonus (I might be remembering wrong, but I think the Scots sided with one of the families - the Yorks I think?). You could do the same with France - control a family and forge an international alliance for a bonus.

3. Focus first on the map and the gameplay itself - don't put a lot of time and effort into the background or making the Roses look right, as that can come later.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:02 am

bryguy wrote:heres an example of what i think it should look more like...

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sorry its so dark, i did something wrong making the parchment and it ended up dark :oops:


edit: oh, and i have a couple of lines that i just drew in randomly that show theres room for territories and such

love what you did to the map...I will try to make that sometime by tonight...yet i still want to roses in opposite corners so i can have room to explain about the families...

And Oaktown I like your ideas about France and Scotland being in the gameplay but i dont think i could fit them in...I will also try to work in controlling the different houses somehow...

Thanks for the comments...keep them coming in
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (with rough draft)

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:36 am

I had an idea last night of how maybe you could have the different houses thing. Maybe you could have different shaded areas on the land part for that parts allegiance to whichever house, and if theres some areas where there is no allegiance, then have those the regular parchment color. So you could have like a bonus for holding an entire house, and a +1 or +2 bonus for holding that house and the neutral (no allegiance) areas.


edit: oh and also, your gonna need some impassables. Since your doing a parchment look, holes in the parchment (or tears, whatever) would work nicely.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 2)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:33 am

Version 2 is up...comments?
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 2)

Postby whitestazn88 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:03 am

i don't like the hole in the paper at all, and the background is hideous
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 2)

Postby oaktown on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:42 am

moved to drafts - and stanz is right, the background doesn't look so hot.

again, ignore the background/visual details for now and give us some territories. Making it pretty can come later.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:53 am

Version 3
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:54 pm

looking good!

1) You put a hole in the paper on both flowers, so you need to do the same thing to the flowers there. And once you do that, redo the color around the parchment, so it includes the holes
2) Englands size needs to be increases slightly. Try rotating it to the right a little and then expanding it. But if you do that, add a compass somewhere on the map to show that north is slightly to the left, and to show that england is rotated.
3) The territories are a little small, but increasing englands size should fix that
4) Some of the territories need some work
5) Theres not much contrast between water and land.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:09 pm

bryguy wrote:looking good!

1) You put a hole in the paper on both flowers, so you need to do the same thing to the flowers there. And once you do that, redo the color around the parchment, so it includes the holes
2) Englands size needs to be increases slightly. Try rotating it to the right a little and then expanding it. But if you do that, add a compass somewhere on the map to show that north is slightly to the left, and to show that england is rotated.
3) The territories are a little small, but increasing englands size should fix that
4) Some of the territories need some work
5) Theres not much contrast between water and land.

didnt notice the holes will change that
will easily increase the size...still looking for a good compass though...any help with that would be awesome
Territories will grow when england grows
Territories were pretty rough sketches
And i dont have any water...
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:04 pm

bspride wrote:And i dont have any water...


oh... maybe for that, fuzzy select the area around england, and fill that with a color darker than the parchment (same shade, but darker) and then set that layer to 28-50% opacity
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:14 pm

bryguy wrote:
bspride wrote:And i dont have any water...


oh... maybe for that, fuzzy select the area around england, and fill that with a color darker than the parchment (same shade, but darker) and then set that layer to 28-50% opacity

I like your idea for that...will do in Version 5
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:14 pm

Here is Version 4...fixed territory lines...and roses...added title
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 3)

Postby foregone on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:17 pm

I'd like to get a better visual idea of what the gameplay would be like on the map. How the territories will be grouped, etc.

But the base is looking really nice, though I'm not too sure the title font fits. Thats laters prob though, in all likelihood.
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 4)

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:36 pm

1) Something I forgot to mention. The sides are still a little rough. Maybe try saving it, then zooming in to 800% and taking a small fuzzy 3 paintbrush around the edges. Dont do slow, careful motions, but rather fast, semi-careful motions. That way, since its at 800%, if you mess up slightly and cut into it, it should'nt make much of a difference.
2) Lower the opacity on the flowers. They are to bright and colorful compared to the rest of the map, so lowering the opactiy to 50 or below should help. Also, try playing around with the layer modes.
3) The title is also to bright, and its to blurry. Looks like your using Blackmoor LET, which is a pretty good choice, but maybe try adding some different fonts to your GIMP that may work better. Maybe something like this: http://www.dafont.com/olde-english.font
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4) Also, dont rotate it. Make sure its just the right size so that it fits between the top of the red flower and that small hole in the paper right next to the northern tip of england. Also, maybe have the color black, and again lower the opacity to 50% or lower.
5) For a compass, you first need more room for it. Try stretching the width of the parchment some (50-100 pixels) and then you should have more room. And maybe after stretching it center england on it, and center the parchment.


Be sure to save before you try doing any of these things. Its always good to be careful!
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 4)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:37 pm

bryguy wrote:1) Something I forgot to mention. The sides are still a little rough. Maybe try saving it, then zooming in to 800% and taking a small fuzzy 3 paintbrush around the edges. Dont do slow, careful motions, but rather fast, semi-careful motions. That way, since its at 800%, if you mess up slightly and cut into it, it should'nt make much of a difference.
2) Lower the opacity on the flowers. They are to bright and colorful compared to the rest of the map, so lowering the opactiy to 50 or below should help. Also, try playing around with the layer modes.
3) The title is also to bright, and its to blurry. Looks like your using Blackmoor LET, which is a pretty good choice, but maybe try adding some different fonts to your GIMP that may work better. Maybe something like this: http://www.dafont.com/olde-english.font
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If you cant figure out how to get it into GIMP, just drop me a pm

4) Also, dont rotate it. Make sure its just the right size so that it fits between the top of the red flower and that small hole in the paper right next to the northern tip of england. Also, maybe have the color black, and again lower the opacity to 50% or lower.
5) For a compass, you first need more room for it. Try stretching the width of the parchment some (50-100 pixels) and then you should have more room. And maybe after stretching it center england on it, and center the parchment.


Be sure to save before you try doing any of these things. Its always good to be careful!

1. will get to work on the sides
2. the flowers opacity is at 29.8 right now
3. thats the font im using...but will try your suggestion
4. I rotated so it would fit an still be big...will try not to rotate though...
5. Cant really stretch the parchment...My map is already at the limits for size... 840 * 800
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 4)

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:51 pm

bspride wrote:5. Cant really stretch the parchment...My map is already at the limits for size... 840 * 800


stretching just the parchment shouldnt affect the canvas size. It will just make the parchment larger on the table
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 4)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:57 pm

bryguy wrote:
bspride wrote:5. Cant really stretch the parchment...My map is already at the limits for size... 840 * 800


stretching just the parchment shouldnt affect the canvas size. It will just make the parchment larger on the table

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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 4)

Postby bspride on Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:03 pm

Version 5!...added territory names...compass...increased parchment size...added title
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 5)

Postby bryguy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:50 pm

1) The compass needs to be a little larger
2) The names you added are more of continent names then territory names. Try researching for different names you can use
3) Now that the background of the map is looking better, you need to work on the gameplay and bonuses. I suggest having a bonus for holding london, since thats a major city

edit: maybe look at this

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... s%26sa%3DN

look at the full sized image, and look at the different images on the page
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 5)

Postby whitestazn88 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:25 pm

the countries in the middle of england look like they're gonna be cramped
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 5)

Postby bspride on Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:39 pm

so ive been thinking on how to incoporate impassable borders...im going to put in mountains and rivers...
I also plan on installing docks (thank you Natewolfman) so gameplay isnt so centralized...and holding continents will be harder...
I also will install battlegrounds from the War of the Roses...holding those will give you a bonus...
I will be adding legend later...perhaps in two or more updates
yet does anyone else have any other ideas?
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 6)

Postby bspride on Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:34 pm

Version 6
added rivers and docks...outlined the water...added houses of york and lancaster...enlarged compass
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 6)

Postby whitestazn88 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:01 pm

rivers are impassables i'm assuming?
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Re: War of the Roses Map Idea (Version 6)

Postby bspride on Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:22 pm

yes...im working on legend
and all docks connect
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