War of the Roses Map (Version 13 p.9 comments please!)

[bryguy]

heres an example of what i think it should look more like...

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sorry its so dark, i did something wrong making the parchment and it ended up dark


edit: oh, and i have a couple of lines that i just drew in randomly that show theres room for territories and such

[oaktown]

if this looks like a serious attempt I'll move it over to drafts.

My early comments are these:

1. Think about somehow making key family members territories in addition to the traditional chunks of land... control all of the Lancasters and receive a Head of House bonus, etc.

2. I agree with the earlier post that Scotland shouldn't be in this map. If it is going to be included it should probably just be represented by a single territory, and if you hold that and one of the English families you get some kind of bonus (I might be remembering wrong, but I think the Scots sided with one of the families - the Yorks I think?). You could do the same with France - control a family and forge an international alliance for a bonus.

3. Focus first on the map and the gameplay itself - don't put a lot of time and effort into the background or making the Roses look right, as that can come later.

[bspride]

heres an example of what i think it should look more like...

Click image to enlarge.

sorry its so dark, i did something wrong making the parchment and it ended up dark


edit: oh, and i have a couple of lines that i just drew in randomly that show theres room for territories and such

love what you did to the map...I will try to make that sometime by tonight...yet i still want to roses in opposite corners so i can have room to explain about the families...

And Oaktown I like your ideas about France and Scotland being in the gameplay but i dont think i could fit them in...I will also try to work in controlling the different houses somehow...

Thanks for the comments...keep them coming in

[bryguy]

I had an idea last night of how maybe you could have the different houses thing. Maybe you could have different shaded areas on the land part for that parts allegiance to whichever house, and if theres some areas where there is no allegiance, then have those the regular parchment color. So you could have like a bonus for holding an entire house, and a +1 or +2 bonus for holding that house and the neutral (no allegiance) areas.


edit: oh and also, your gonna need some impassables. Since your doing a parchment look, holes in the parchment (or tears, whatever) would work nicely.

[bspride]

Version 2 is up...comments?

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[whitestazn88]

i don't like the hole in the paper at all, and the background is hideous

[oaktown]

moved to drafts - and stanz is right, the background doesn't look so hot.

again, ignore the background/visual details for now and give us some territories. Making it pretty can come later.

[bspride]

Version 3
added territories

[bryguy]

looking good!

1) You put a hole in the paper on both flowers, so you need to do the same thing to the flowers there. And once you do that, redo the color around the parchment, so it includes the holes
2) Englands size needs to be increases slightly. Try rotating it to the right a little and then expanding it. But if you do that, add a compass somewhere on the map to show that north is slightly to the left, and to show that england is rotated.
3) The territories are a little small, but increasing englands size should fix that
4) Some of the territories need some work
5) Theres not much contrast between water and land.

[bspride]

looking good!

1) You put a hole in the paper on both flowers, so you need to do the same thing to the flowers there. And once you do that, redo the color around the parchment, so it includes the holes
2) Englands size needs to be increases slightly. Try rotating it to the right a little and then expanding it. But if you do that, add a compass somewhere on the map to show that north is slightly to the left, and to show that england is rotated.
3) The territories are a little small, but increasing englands size should fix that
4) Some of the territories need some work
5) Theres not much contrast between water and land.

didnt notice the holes will change that
will easily increase the size...still looking for a good compass though...any help with that would be awesome
Territories will grow when england grows
Territories were pretty rough sketches
And i dont have any water...

[bryguy]

And i dont have any water...

oh... maybe for that, fuzzy select the area around england, and fill that with a color darker than the parchment (same shade, but darker) and then set that layer to 28-50% opacity

[bspride]

And i dont have any water...

oh... maybe for that, fuzzy select the area around england, and fill that with a color darker than the parchment (same shade, but darker) and then set that layer to 28-50% opacity

I like your idea for that...will do in Version 5

[bspride]

Here is Version 4...fixed territory lines...and roses...added title

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[foregone]

I'd like to get a better visual idea of what the gameplay would be like on the map. How the territories will be grouped, etc.

But the base is looking really nice, though I'm not too sure the title font fits. Thats laters prob though, in all likelihood.

[bryguy]

1) Something I forgot to mention. The sides are still a little rough. Maybe try saving it, then zooming in to 800% and taking a small fuzzy 3 paintbrush around the edges. Dont do slow, careful motions, but rather fast, semi-careful motions. That way, since its at 800%, if you mess up slightly and cut into it, it should'nt make much of a difference.
2) Lower the opacity on the flowers. They are to bright and colorful compared to the rest of the map, so lowering the opactiy to 50 or below should help. Also, try playing around with the layer modes.
3) The title is also to bright, and its to blurry. Looks like your using Blackmoor LET, which is a pretty good choice, but maybe try adding some different fonts to your GIMP that may work better. Maybe something like this: http://www.dafont.com/olde-english.font

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If you cant figure out how to get it into GIMP, just drop me a pm

4) Also, dont rotate it. Make sure its just the right size so that it fits between the top of the red flower and that small hole in the paper right next to the northern tip of england. Also, maybe have the color black, and again lower the opacity to 50% or lower.
5) For a compass, you first need more room for it. Try stretching the width of the parchment some (50-100 pixels) and then you should have more room. And maybe after stretching it center england on it, and center the parchment.


Be sure to save before you try doing any of these things. Its always good to be careful!