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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Temporary Vacation]

Postby MrBenn on Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:46 pm

samuelc812 wrote:Sorry to do this to you guys, i will pick this up later on but right now this is on a temporary Vacation ;)


In that case... moved into temporary retirement.

When you're ready to continue, one of the CAs will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system ;-)

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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --Back on Track--V6--

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:21 am

Here is Version 7

A few changes that i have made include:
  • I have redone the entire map as the other map was getting a tad confusing
  • I hae merged a few territs and added Switzerland in order to make space
  • Added better mountains
  • I have decided against the Mediterranean Bonus and all that
  • I have split the middle East into 2 bonuses as well

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  • Your thoughts on Capitals as easy bonuses
  • Speculative Mediterranean links

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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V7--8/11/08--

Postby oaktown on Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:26 am

welcome back to the real world. ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V7--8/11/08--

Postby Digital Jihad on Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:33 am

Doesn't a bonus of 8 for the yellow area seem a tad bit high? Kinda liked the 5 or even 6 better. Also though it depends on connections with the islands though.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V7--8/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:35 am

I have worked all these bonuses out on WM's bonus spreadsheet, the reason yellow is significanlt high is because it will be connected to so many other areas and therefore will be harder to hold ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V7--8/11/08--

Postby oaktown on Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:43 am

While I liked where the old graphics were going, I appreciate your desire to make this easier to work with until you iron out the basics of the map.

Personally, I'd like to see fewer territories that aren't actually on the Med. Some of those interior Saharan territories - Tindouf, Ardrad, etc. - don't strike me as beng particularly 'Mediterranean.' And having been to the 'fairy chimneys' I can tell you they are just tiny portion of the very large territory... something simpler, like Central Anatolia perhaps?

Were you thinking you'd make the Peloponese (sp?) a territory, or a part of Greece? I'd like to see it as a territory, as it is at least as significant historically as, say, Malta.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V7--8/11/08--

Postby Digital Jihad on Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:51 am

samuelc812 wrote:I have worked all these bonuses out on WM's bonus spreadsheet, the reason yellow is significanlt high is because it will be connected to so many other areas and therefore will be harder to hold ;)

True in next update maybe show connections. :)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V7--8/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:54 am

oaktown wrote:While I liked where the old graphics were going, I appreciate your desire to make this easier to work with until you iron out the basics of the map.

Personally, I'd like to see fewer territories that aren't actually on the Med. Some of those interior Saharan territories - Tindouf, Ardrad, etc. - don't strike me as beng particularly 'Mediterranean.' And having been to the 'fairy chimneys' I can tell you they are just tiny portion of the very large territory... something simpler, like Central Anatolia perhaps?

Were you thinking you'd make the Peloponese (sp?) a territory, or a part of Greece? I'd like to see it as a territory, as it is at least as significant historically as, say, Malta.


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As for The Valley of the Fairy Chimneys i will change it to Central Anatolia, is the Peloponese what part is that the hand like part under greece if so yes it is a part of greece unless you would like it as it's own territory ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:20 am

Gameplay:
  • I have added the Nile as an impassable in Egypt
  • New bonuses, The Capitals of Africa and The Capitals of Europe


Current Version 8

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A few changes that i have made include:
  • New Mountains
  • Added The Nile as an impassable in Egypt
  • Eliminated 3 Algerian territories as Oaktown suggested
  • Added Capitals as bonuses
  • Added Mediterranean Connections
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby MrBenn on Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:08 pm

Hmmmm.... Switzerland doesn't quite look right - I wonder if it's because the northern edge should border Germany not Austria?

My biggest concern remains the geography... In my mind the Mediterranean Basin is only the (bits of) countries that are right on the coast:
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby tim02 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:56 pm

Great map, looks good.

The only thing that bothers me is that when I tried to make one they got angry because it would be to much like the Europe map, Now we have Europa aswell and you're allowed to make this.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:28 pm

MrBenn wrote:Hmmmm.... Switzerland doesn't quite look right - I wonder if it's because the northern edge should border Germany not Austria?


I did eliminate Germany to try and make room for Switzerland since it looked a bit odd switzerland not being there, if you think germany needs to be put back should i eliminate Austria or Switzerland??

MrBenn wrote: My biggest concern remains the geography... In my mind the Mediterranean Basin is only the (bits of) countries that are right on the coast


MrBenn and the rest of you who have already asked this question, As i said in the introduction:

Introduction wrote:Notice this is not a map about the Mediterranean Sea but of the Mediterranean Basin, and yes there is a difference. If i was to make a map about the Mediterranean Sea, it would of course not include countries that do not share the Mediterranean Sea as a border. This map is of the Mediterranean Basin, which refers to the lands around the Mediterranean Sea that have a Mediterranean climate, with mild, rainy winters and hot, dry summers, which supports characteristic Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and shrub vegetation. This does include some countries like Ukraine and parts of lower Germany.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby Skittles! on Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:45 am

To me, this map is too dark. The colour of the water makes it almost impossible to read the territory names and connections of the islands. Maybe just lighten it up.

No offence intended, but when I saw Austria next to Switzerland like that, it made me cringe. Possibly, what you should do, is make Austria smaller, increase the size of Switzerland, and to the north of Switzerland, where that little overhang of Austria is, just make it dead land.

I only did a brief overview, so this is all I got at the moment.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby MrBenn on Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:27 pm

samuelc812 wrote:
MrBenn wrote: My biggest concern remains the geography... In my mind the Mediterranean Basin is only the (bits of) countries that are right on the coast


MrBenn and the rest of you who have already asked this question, As i said in the introduction:

Introduction wrote:Notice this is not a map about the Mediterranean Sea but of the Mediterranean Basin, and yes there is a difference. If i was to make a map about the Mediterranean Sea, it would of course not include countries that do not share the Mediterranean Sea as a border. This map is of the Mediterranean Basin, which refers to the lands around the Mediterranean Sea that have a Mediterranean climate, with mild, rainy winters and hot, dry summers, which supports characteristic Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and shrub vegetation. This does include some countries like Ukraine and parts of lower Germany.

Did you not look at the map I posted?
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Or this map from the Mediterranean Basin page on Wikipedia
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Or this image from a google image search..
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:49 pm

Yes i did see your map/s, it just doesn't seem to make a good map for playing on, nevertheless to conform to the desires of certain people i will see what i can do ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby MrBenn on Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:42 pm

samuelc812 wrote:... it just doesn't seem to make a good map for playing on...

That's my concern with the geography of the Mediterranean Basin... you'll either get something playable but with messed up geography, or you'll get accurate geography that isn't playable...
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V8--10/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:12 pm

Maybe if i changed the name of the map, then the map i have now could somehow come back 8-[
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V9--17/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:05 am

I have decided to make this a small map like Madagascar and Doodle Earth, with Standard Gameplay, with no impassables and only 19 territories. Comments??

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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V9--17/11/08--

Postby MrBenn on Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:12 pm

Personally I think that 24 should be the bare minimum number of territories...
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V9--17/11/08--

Postby spiesr on Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:27 pm

If Portugal is not a territory it should be there but be greyed out like the rest of the unplayable land...
Because Spain looks wierd without it...
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V9--17/11/08--

Postby Simonian Emperor on Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:16 pm

Is the map done already?
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V9--17/11/08--

Postby Achilles1234 on Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:16 pm

well i was thinking that a better name for the map might be like the Roman Empire or somthing along those lines :D
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V9--17/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:58 am

There is already a map being made of the Roman Empire...
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V9--17/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:05 am

Ok here is Version 10, as Mr Benn requested there are now 25 teritories, and i have added Portugal in as a greyed out area.

I have also added the Capitals back in.

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Re: The Mediterranean Basin --V10--19/11/08--

Postby samuelc812 on Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:12 pm

bump*
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