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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [UPDATE]

Postby Kaplowitz on Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:12 pm

I really like the way the map looks, and its a great start. :)
I do agree though there is too much going on.

Here are some examples of really nice looking maps that are still simple at the same time:
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You have too many layer styles and textures, but that isnt too hard to fix ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [UPDATE]

Postby whitestazn88 on Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:57 pm

wow... looks good right now
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [UPDATE]

Postby t-o-m on Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:12 am

samuelc812 wrote:
t-o-m wrote:
e_pi wrote:#
# Everything on my map has a layer style, everything on many maps have layer styles - it's called graphic design

What map is yours again?
I didnt know you made maps :roll: :roll:



*He is making the map of the antarctic, where have you been!!!

That's a map?
It looks like a dog did a shit on some paper and someone smushed it around.


t-o-m wrote:I dont like this because:

  • It's basically just Imperium Romanium layout and areas, although i understand that its different gameplay
  • There are loads of maps that have/include Europe as a main place
  • This is an EXTREME case of poor textures/bevels - they look like someone has just thrown them on
  • EVERYTHING in the map has a layer style, which is just not doing it for me/


*And i realise it was critiscism and it was fine the first time you posted it but to post it twice after i had already read your comment was unecessary, we already knew your opinion ;)

The map can change, and for the better, i gave reasons that you could work on to make it more appealing, and since there was a new page, i thought you may have missed the comment.
But now i see that you just ignored it and didnt address it or even comment saying "no gfy"
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [UPDATE]

Postby samuelc812 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:52 pm

Sorry if you feel ignored but i take all suggestions into account even if i don't reply, just cause i havn't changed anything in the map that you want me to change doesn't mean i won't ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [UPDATE]

Postby MrBenn on Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:58 pm

Wow - nice drafts... I'll move this thread into the right place... [moved]
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [UPDATE]

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:24 pm

Firstly, I like the map. We've got too many crazy-complicated maps being made and queched right now. It's nice to see one with classic gameplay, done nicely.
However, I'm not big on all the texture either. Too much IMO.

Attack lines would be helpful too... Istanbul can't be the only link between the continents can it?

Also, If you are going to ditch the yellow, try mixing and matching first. Maybe it would go better next to a blue? Or try useing red. I'd like to see this stick with Crayola's "traditional twelve assortment."

I guess I really don't have many critisisms...


Oh, and for the record, this map is nothing like Imperium Romanium. ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [UPDATE]

Postby MrBenn on Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:14 am

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As I said previously, you have a nice draft image here ;-) Given the quality of it, some of the following comments might sound a little nit-picky, but it looks like you should be able to cope ;-)

1. I think that the texture all over the map is a bit too much, and isn't particularly easy on the eye. I'd suggest trying to tone them down a bit.
2. There is inconsistency in the thickness of your borders... just compare the Morocco/Bechar border to the Israel/Jordan one
3. Some of your borders don't meet, or appear a bit 'clumpy' at the joins.
4. The border around the non-playable bit of Russia looks quite blurry
5. I like the colours you have used, although I'm not too sure how they balance for colourblind players... It might be worth sticking some army numbers on the map to see if there is much of a colour-clash? Clicky link to army number image

6. As far as gameplay goes, I am not sure whether you intend the Med to be generally impassable (like the Glacier on the Iceland map), or if there will be some crossing points across the sea? I think either option will be fine, but I would suggest that you think about this next, along with how/where you are going to join the islands to the mainland
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [UPDATE]

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:31 am

Here is the next Version 4.0
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MrBenn wrote:As I said previously, you have a nice draft image here ;-) Given the quality of it, some of the following comments might sound a little nit-picky, but it looks like you should be able to cope ;-)

1. I think that the texture all over the map is a bit too much, and isn't particularly easy on the eye. I'd suggest trying to tone them down a bit.
2. There is inconsistency in the thickness of your borders... just compare the Morocco/Bechar border to the Israel/Jordan one
3. Some of your borders don't meet, or appear a bit 'clumpy' at the joins.
4. The border around the non-playable bit of Russia looks quite blurry
5. I like the colours you have used, although I'm not too sure how they balance for colourblind players... It might be worth sticking some army numbers on the map to see if there is much of a colour-clash? Clicky link to army number image

6. As far as gameplay goes, I am not sure whether you intend the Med to be generally impassable (like the Glacier on the Iceland map), or if there will be some crossing points across the sea? I think either option will be fine, but I would suggest that you think about this next, along with how/where you are going to join the islands to the mainland


I tried to fix all the things you mentioned...if i missed something let me know ;)

I am having some trouble putting army numbers in if anyone can point me in the right direction, i have the image so i don't need links to the page just how to put that image into the little circles ??

Thanx, for your feedback ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 4]

Postby Kaplowitz on Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:18 am

I still think you should get rid of the textures
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 4]

Postby Androidz on Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:18 am

Kaplowitz wrote:I still think you should get rid of the textures


Why this texture brings something new and i like it.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 4]

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:31 am

I think it's the water and maybe the border textures that are really the bother. Maybe a grainy texture would be more pleasing to the eye?
The texture of the land where you put your signature is off too, because it is smooth, and everything else is rough. Maybe it only bothers me?

The bonuses look off to, based on numbers of territories and connections. Western Europe is the obvious example.
over all though, it's a good update, you definitly fixed quite a few obvious problems. It's nearly ready to play.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 4]

Postby Ruben Cassar on Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:39 am

Where is Malta?
Why is Corsica labelled as Sardinia?

And what have Germany and the Ukraine have to do with the Mediterranean? I don't think the name is suitable for this map as there are many countries/cities which have got nothing to do with the Mediterranean sea.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 4]

Postby samuelc812 on Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:21 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:Where is Malta?


I will look into putting Malta in as a country, it just didn't show on the map i based this on ;)

Ruben Cassar wrote:Why is Corsica labelled as Sardinia?


In the Europe Map that is not called Corsica it is called Sardinia so i am sticking with it ;)

Ruben Cassar wrote:And what have Germany and the Ukraine have to do with the Mediterranean? I don't think the name is suitable for this map as there are many countries/cities which have got nothing to do with the Mediterranean sea.


Firstly this Map is not called the Mediterranean Sea it is called the Mediterranean Basin, so why would these countries have to have anything to do with the Sea??

Secondly, The definition for the Mediterranean Basin is:
Wikipedia wrote:The Mediterranean Basin refers to the lands around and surrounded by the Mediterranean Sea. In biogeography, the Mediterranean Basin refers to the lands around the Mediterranean Sea that have a Mediterranean climate, with mild, rainy winters and hot, dry summers, which supports characteristic Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and shrub vegetation.


So this is not a map of the mediterranean sea it is the mediterranean basin, which are those countries with a mediterranean climate and that includes countries such as Ukraine and part of Germany ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:20 am

Here is a small update, i have added the 88's ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby MrBenn on Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:34 am

samuelc812 wrote:Here is a small update, i have added the 88's ;)

Would you be able to post your latest image in the thread as well as the first post - it helps to tally comments to map versions ;-)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:51 pm

Here is the latest and original images i hope it is what you were looking for ;)

Version 4.1 - added 88's
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Here is the current Version [V4.0]
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby The Neon Peon on Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:08 pm

I absolutely can't stand the texture. Maps should be flat, or wrinkled in certain areas to a small extend. But this is what a paper would look like if you wrinkled it up with one had into a ball and flattened it out 5 - 10 times (try it, it looks exactly like this).
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:24 pm

Okay i will try to make it flat but i was told at the beginning to add texture...
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby foregone on Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:30 am

I'm of the opinion that the texture problem might just be the water. It just makes it a little too much and hard on the eye to tell where one thing ends and the next begins. Any chance we could see it with the texture on land as is, but the water texture gone?
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:58 am

i will try it and see what happens ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:40 am

Here is Version 5
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  • Added Malta and changed part of Sardinia to Corsica
  • Added a unique continent of the Mediterranean which is worth 10 bonus armies, it consists of a few areas from different continents
  • Added New Attack Routes
  • Added Mini Map
  • Eliminated Bonus Listings down the bottom of the map
  • Tweaked the texture of the Land and sea to hopefully, make it more pleasing to the eye


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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:38 am

Is this map ready at least for the "Draft" stamp??
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby foregone on Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:10 am

The texture in the latest is much better, IMO.

Is there any particular reason Cyprus, Corsica and Sardinia only have connections towards the South, btw? Seems strange considering the geopolitics of the region.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby MrBenn on Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:05 pm

This map is certainly moving in the right direction. [Advanced Draft]

I'd like to see a bit more thought about how the gameplay will develop...
At the moment it looks like a bit of a free-for-all.
I preferred an earlier version without all the Med crossings - they seem a bit clumsy.
Have you thought about differnet ways of implementing the Med bonus area? You could do it so those territories fall in both continents?

The graphics need a bit of work, but your time would probably be slightly better spent trying to get the gameplay ironed out as much as possible first ;-)
On a side note, there are no continent names on the map; you'll need to get them on somewhere ;-)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:21 pm

Looks much better. And I like the Bonus you made for the Mediterranean.
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