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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:51 pm

Here is the latest and original images i hope it is what you were looking for ;)

Version 4.1 - added 88's
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Here is the current Version [V4.0]
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby The Neon Peon on Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:08 pm

I absolutely can't stand the texture. Maps should be flat, or wrinkled in certain areas to a small extend. But this is what a paper would look like if you wrinkled it up with one had into a ball and flattened it out 5 - 10 times (try it, it looks exactly like this).
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:24 pm

Okay i will try to make it flat but i was told at the beginning to add texture...
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby foregone on Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:30 am

I'm of the opinion that the texture problem might just be the water. It just makes it a little too much and hard on the eye to tell where one thing ends and the next begins. Any chance we could see it with the texture on land as is, but the water texture gone?
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [V4.1] 88 test

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:58 am

i will try it and see what happens ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:40 am

Here is Version 5
Improvements:
  • Added Malta and changed part of Sardinia to Corsica
  • Added a unique continent of the Mediterranean which is worth 10 bonus armies, it consists of a few areas from different continents
  • Added New Attack Routes
  • Added Mini Map
  • Eliminated Bonus Listings down the bottom of the map
  • Tweaked the texture of the Land and sea to hopefully, make it more pleasing to the eye


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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:38 am

Is this map ready at least for the "Draft" stamp??
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby foregone on Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:10 am

The texture in the latest is much better, IMO.

Is there any particular reason Cyprus, Corsica and Sardinia only have connections towards the South, btw? Seems strange considering the geopolitics of the region.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby MrBenn on Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:05 pm

This map is certainly moving in the right direction. [Advanced Draft]

I'd like to see a bit more thought about how the gameplay will develop...
At the moment it looks like a bit of a free-for-all.
I preferred an earlier version without all the Med crossings - they seem a bit clumsy.
Have you thought about differnet ways of implementing the Med bonus area? You could do it so those territories fall in both continents?

The graphics need a bit of work, but your time would probably be slightly better spent trying to get the gameplay ironed out as much as possible first ;-)
On a side note, there are no continent names on the map; you'll need to get them on somewhere ;-)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:21 pm

Looks much better. And I like the Bonus you made for the Mediterranean.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:18 am

Is anybody interested in doing the xml??
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby foregone on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:21 am

I'm willing to do it for you if you can't manage. Wouldn't worry about it yet, though. Only need it much later in the foundry process.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:31 am

I realise that, i probably will do it myself, just wanted to see if anyone was interested ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby eigenvector on Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:08 am

It looks to me as if the continent might be useless - can anyone ever hold it in the early and middle stages of a game?
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:49 am

Of course it's possible...
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby TaCktiX on Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:49 am

That's like saying Asia doesn't count as you can't hold it early or mid game (Except against idiots). I say keep the continent, but maybe split it in half across and East/West line (a la Rome/Byzantium) to make it a very tough couple of bonuses.

Also, you forgot an extra R in Mediterranean Sea.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:54 am

Really ok thanx, could you elaborate on your splitting the bonus in 2 idea please ;)
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby TaCktiX on Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:25 am

Split right through the Mediterranean text, leaving 5 territories to each side (Greece, Al-Marj to East; Sicily, Tripoli to West).
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:24 pm

Ok here are my Gameplay ideas:
  • I am going to implement TaCtiX idea to split the Mediterranean continent in half to make them easier to take
  • I was thinking that maybe The island territories could be like the Alcatraz on San Francisco, except the islands can still attack each other via the ocean attack routes, it's just that the islands can't attack the mainland except for the parts connected to the Continents
  • But definently Standard Gameplay, i don't think there should be any Secondary Objectives or anything like that
  • I was also thinking about having Capitals - European Capitals - And - African Capitals - which can be another easy bonus to take the 3 African or European Capitals for a +2 bonus or Hold All Capitals for +5...Your Thoughts??

Please suggest some more Gameplay ideas if you have any....
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby eigenvector on Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:22 pm

samuelc812 wrote:Ok here are my Gameplay ideas:
  • I am going to implement TaCtiX idea to split the Mediterranean continent in half to make them easier to take
  • I was thinking that maybe The island territories could be like the Alcatraz on San Francisco, except the islands can still attack each other via the ocean attack routes, it's just that the islands can't attack the mainland except for the parts connected to the Continents
  • But definently Standard Gameplay, i don't think there should be any Secondary Objectives or anything like that
  • I was also thinking about having Capitals - European Capitals - And - African Capitals - which can be another easy bonus to take the 3 African or European Capitals for a +2 bonus or Hold All Capitals for +5...Your Thoughts??

Please suggest some more Gameplay ideas if you have any....


The idea is to have the Capital inside the country as an internal territ? I was thinking of this in the terms of "castles" for a crusades map... I'm for it.

I also support the idea of splitting the bonus.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:40 pm

eigenvector wrote:
samuelc812 wrote:Ok here are my Gameplay ideas:
  • I am going to implement TaCtiX idea to split the Mediterranean continent in half to make them easier to take
  • I was thinking that maybe The island territories could be like the Alcatraz on San Francisco, except the islands can still attack each other via the ocean attack routes, it's just that the islands can't attack the mainland except for the parts connected to the Continents
  • But definently Standard Gameplay, i don't think there should be any Secondary Objectives or anything like that
  • I was also thinking about having Capitals - European Capitals - And - African Capitals - which can be another easy bonus to take the 3 African or European Capitals for a +2 bonus or Hold All Capitals for +5...Your Thoughts??

Please suggest some more Gameplay ideas if you have any....


The idea is to have the Capital inside the country as an internal territ? I was thinking of this in the terms of "castles" for a crusades map... I'm for it.

I also support the idea of splitting the bonus.



Don't know about castles i was thinking just large dots or stars like the American Civil War Map, this isn't really a medieval map?? And yes inside the countries....
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby eigenvector on Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:46 pm

samuelc812 wrote:
eigenvector wrote:
samuelc812 wrote:Ok here are my Gameplay ideas:
  • I am going to implement TaCtiX idea to split the Mediterranean continent in half to make them easier to take
  • I was thinking that maybe The island territories could be like the Alcatraz on San Francisco, except the islands can still attack each other via the ocean attack routes, it's just that the islands can't attack the mainland except for the parts connected to the Continents
  • But definently Standard Gameplay, i don't think there should be any Secondary Objectives or anything like that
  • I was also thinking about having Capitals - European Capitals - And - African Capitals - which can be another easy bonus to take the 3 African or European Capitals for a +2 bonus or Hold All Capitals for +5...Your Thoughts??

Please suggest some more Gameplay ideas if you have any....


The idea is to have the Capital inside the country as an internal territ? I was thinking of this in the terms of "castles" for a crusades map... I'm for it.

I also support the idea of splitting the bonus.



Don't know about castles i was thinking just large dots or stars like the American Civil War Map, this isn't really a medieval map?? And yes inside the countries....


I just mentioned castles as an example for something else. Glad we're on the same page, though... :)

Keep up the good work.
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin [Version 5]

Postby samuelc812 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:37 am

MrBenn wrote:This map is certainly moving in the right direction. [Advanced Draft]


Thankyou :)

MrBenn wrote:I'd like to see a bit more thought about how the gameplay will develop...

I preferred an earlier version without all the Med crossings - they seem a bit clumsy.
Have you thought about differnet ways of implementing the Med bonus area? You could do it so those territories fall in both continents?


If there are no Med crossings, how will people know where the islands connect???
That sounds like a great idea, now i just have to figure out how to blend colours in the parts that are in both continents???

MrBenn wrote: On a side note, there are no continent names on the map; you'll need to get them on somewhere


They will be in the next Version ;)

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2) Have a playable image. If we quenched it people should be able toplay on it. Ths should included the following:
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin--Version 5--Oct.12--pg1,4

Postby e_i_pi on Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:08 am

A few points, though I haven't been keeping up with this thread much lately so they may have been mentioned already:

1) Balearic needs colour distinction --- hard to tell if it's part of Spain or the mega-continent
2) The effects you're using to separate the continents don't just separate the continents, but also create an odd looking border with other areas, north side of Spain in a good example
3) Aswan-Sinai needs distinction --- hard to tell if there is a border there or not
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Re: The Mediterranean Basin--Version 6--Oct.22--pg1,5

Postby samuelc812 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:09 am

Here is Version 6 everyone :)

I hope that much has improved :)

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I just want this to be a standard gameplay map without all the gimmicky gameplay things maps seem to have these days, just simple, just a better version of simple :)

MrBenn if you would rather see the Mediterranean Continents be both part of the mainland as well as their own continent would you kindly suggest how you would have me do that?? ;)
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