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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby Danyael on Sat May 02, 2009 2:56 pm

sailorseal wrote:
Danyael wrote:
sailorseal wrote:I am not sure how territory borders are going to look with the current texture, maybe lower the paint brush affect.

with is being the texture there is a few step to do before it place the border etc on but then its gray scaled for relief (so you cant see the the beauty of this one
as well i did this all with the paintbrush on artrage2 so its hard lower something that is not just an effect

That's cool, as long as it it 100% computer it should be fine


if you look at the newsletter you can see a rough look at what the outcome will kinda look like but it will be a lot better
and yes 100% computer
i like artrage because the cursors flow the same style as real life
so i do my pictures there then bring in over on photoshop
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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby sailorseal on Sat May 02, 2009 2:59 pm

Danyael wrote:
sailorseal wrote:
Danyael wrote:
sailorseal wrote:I am not sure how territory borders are going to look with the current texture, maybe lower the paint brush affect.

with is being the texture there is a few step to do before it place the border etc on but then its gray scaled for relief (so you cant see the the beauty of this one
as well i did this all with the paintbrush on artrage2 so its hard lower something that is not just an effect

That's cool, as long as it it 100% computer it should be fine


if you look at the newsletter you can see a rough look at what the outcome will kinda look like but it will be a lot better
and yes 100% computer
i like artrage because the cursors flow the same style as real life
so i do my pictures there then bring in over on photoshop

Wait. We didn't put anything of yours in the News Letter, what do you speak of, or is it not the foundry news letter?
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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby Danyael on Sat May 02, 2009 3:02 pm

sailorseal wrote:Wait. We didn't put anything of yours in the News Letter, what do you speak of, or is it not the foundry news letter?


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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby sailorseal on Sat May 02, 2009 3:04 pm

Danyael wrote:
sailorseal wrote:Wait. We didn't put anything of yours in the News Letter, what do you speak of, or is it not the foundry news letter?


in the tablet

Oh, your entry?

Yor saying your map is going to look like your entry? Cool. Very good entry.
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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby the.killing.44 on Sat May 02, 2009 7:02 pm

Beautiful. Simply beautiful. As a piece of art, however. I truly hope you can translate this into a CC map, it looks fantastic!

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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby Merker on Sat May 02, 2009 10:32 pm

Wow, thank you 44.

I've got an easy job waiting for Danyael to do the gfx.
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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun May 03, 2009 9:43 am

In your first post don't use the [spoiler] tags for your last update image ;)


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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby Danyael on Mon May 04, 2009 2:14 am

thenobodies80 wrote:In your first post don't use the [spoiler] tags for your last update image ;)


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please merker look how some of the mapmakers set up there OP (original Post)


as well
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To Do
Add names
Add legend(bottom right corner)
Add colour to islands and add canary inset(bottom left)
Add impassable borders
Clean borders and colour edges
Add madrid colour
Add ports and connections

And plenty of other things
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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon May 04, 2009 2:57 am

Wonderful ! =D>

This map is growing day by day....

Actually you have to focus on this:

To be considered a Working Draft a project must be more than just an idea; a Draft should have a clear thematic focus, a plan for how the gameplay will work, and a basic image which should include:

1. Territory Labels - temporary names or numbers will suffice, and are always open to change.
2. Borders/Paths/Impassables - it should be made clear where territories do/do not connect.
3. Bonus Areas - where combinations/groups of territories will award a bonus, this should be indicated on the map.
4. Legend - speculative bonus values and explanations of any attack rules or gameplay features.

Draft images should not be larger than 630x600px (small image) or 840x800px (large image).


When your map has met all these requirements, could be moved in the drafting room.
So it will have all the visibility it deserves.

Good work ;)

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Re: Spain - Draft V3 >Updated<

Postby Merker on Mon May 04, 2009 4:08 am

I'm so happy! You did extremely well Danyael, focus on what you like and continue the good work!
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 >Updated AGAIN<

Postby MrBenn on Mon May 04, 2009 11:28 am

This map is getting closer and closer to becoming a working draft - let's get you into the drafting room now ;-)

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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 >Updated AGAIN<

Postby Danyael on Mon May 04, 2009 11:42 am

thanks Mr. Benn
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 >Updated AGAIN<

Postby sam_levi_11 on Mon May 04, 2009 1:20 pm

I have to say it s a beautiful map so far, with a problem, its far too similar to iberia. I think however that this is preferable to that map based on what i can i see because it looks great, I just think it needs to look more mediteranian, more like spain really.
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 >Updated AGAIN<

Postby sam_levi_11 on Mon May 04, 2009 1:21 pm

Also the orange needs to be merged as having it on its own is nopt really good gameplay wise i think. However you could make cities a bonus maybe, so Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Bilbao and Seville.
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 >Updated AGAIN<

Postby sam_levi_11 on Mon May 04, 2009 1:22 pm

argh triple post, but isnt Palma owned by spain?
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 >Updated AGAIN<

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon May 04, 2009 4:29 pm

Nice start on the map, it's got a nice artistic touch that isnt overdone on CC. I really hope this thing develops and becomes playable.

1) The terr. alottment does look very similar to Iberia, I'm not sure that you're going to be able to keep it that way. I'm assuming this map, as well as Iberia, took their designs from however the Spanish gov't does it so it might be difficult. Perhaps change the bonus structure around a tad? Maybe group some terrs together. Not sure.

2) I believe the Balearic's are part of Spain, they don't look colored in.

That's all I've got for now, get some names and troop circles in there. I look forward to the continuation of this map.
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 >Updated AGAIN<

Postby Merker on Mon May 04, 2009 5:14 pm

MrBenn wrote:This map is getting closer and closer to becoming a working draft - let's get you into the drafting room now ;-)

[moved]


Thanks Mr Benn
sam_levi_11 wrote:its far too similar to iberia


We've been over this a million times, we are adding the Balearics(Palma is apart of this), Canary Islands, ports and cities, although thanks anyway, I know it's a bit of posts but we went through this on the first 2-3 pages. We'll work on more unique game play once we've finished labelling spain.

Industrial Helix wrote:Nice start on the map, it's got a nice artistic touch that isnt overdone on CC. I really hope this thing develops and becomes playable.

1) The terr. alottment does look very similar to Iberia, I'm not sure that you're going to be able to keep it that way. I'm assuming this map, as well as Iberia, took their designs from however the Spanish gov't does it so it might be difficult. Perhaps change the bonus structure around a tad? Maybe group some terrs together. Not sure.

2) I believe the Balearic's are part of Spain, they don't look colored in.

That's all I've got for now, get some names and troop circles in there. I look forward to the continuation of this map.


1) As I said before, Canary Islands, ports and cities bonuses :)

2)Mmmm...I think Danyael must of missed them, it is in our original plan to include them.
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02

Postby Danyael on Mon May 04, 2009 6:52 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:Nice start on the map, it's got a nice artistic touch that isnt overdone on CC. I really hope this thing develops and becomes playable.

1) The terr. alottment does look very similar to Iberia, I'm not sure that you're going to be able to keep it that way. I'm assuming this map, as well as Iberia, took their designs from however the Spanish gov't does it so it might be difficult. Perhaps change the bonus structure around a tad? Maybe group some terrs together. Not sure.

2) I believe the Balearic's are part of Spain, they don't look colored in.

That's all I've got for now, get some names and troop circles in there. I look forward to the continuation of this map.


Thanks

1) yes territs are very similar and yes this has do be different from iberia and not just omission of portugal france too make it anywhere so what i proposed is including canary isl. and baleric isl with ports connecting(too give the reach around)
port may become seperate terits
as well i'am working on different bonus

*discussion needed*
thoughts so far murcia(orange?) south east single territ will give +1 if one of the surrounding bonuses are held
murcia(orange) will also be or have a port
if a due include a seperate port territ, port and region would need
to be held to receive the bonus

As for the other regions if people have ideas of the amounts to give or any suggestions this would be helpful
note three east coast ports and one west coast port
connection idea i.e. murcia>murcia port>balerics>canarys>a coruna port>a coruna

this should also cover 2) as well

names and circles are on the to do list and will be next due to its easier to point things out once its been labeled

thanks once again helix

MrBenn wrote:This map is getting closer and closer to becoming a working draft - let's get you into the drafting room now ;-)

[moved]


once again thanks for the move i had to work today so i didn't have time to reply better
i'll make sure i have this labeled and up to the drafting room standard or at least in my books "within the week" (this may cause a little delay on goblins i hope people understand ;) )

sam_levi_11 wrote:I have to say it s a beautiful map so far, with a problem, its far too similar to iberia. I think however that this is preferable to that map based on what i can i see because it looks great, I just think it needs to look more mediteranian, more like spain really.



thanks for the comment on the beauty end of it it will have a Mediterranean theme to it

:roll: ... ... .... :roll:
more like Spain really.

this blows my mind but i know what you are getting at i have traveled(backpacked and hitchhike a lot of Spain and i have great passion & love for this country and i have lots of ideas on the way i will bring spain to light within this map

Note to merker
when you add the new update to the op edit subject to contain page of my update is on
i.e Espana V3 pg 1 & 5
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue May 05, 2009 2:51 am

Hmm. I like the idea of an extra bonus for holding Mercia plus a surrounding bonus area. I think you should play with this concept and maybe use it on a few more areas of the map. Might help get around common gameplay with Iberia.

As for making the ports and cities part of the regional bonus, I'm less confident on. My reasoning is that in occupying a territory you're getting a bonus b/c you receive the resources of that area. But since cities are involved, often in wars a region is occupied but the city is not, therefore diversifying the bonus/resources. Just a thought.

As far as bonuses go, there's a few spreadsheets here that can give you a reasonable idea of what would be appropriate. I based all my bonuses off what that told me and people chipped in their opinions when they thought something was too big or small.

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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02

Postby Merker on Tue May 05, 2009 4:54 am

Industrial Helix wrote:Hmm. I like the idea of an extra bonus for holding Mercia plus a surrounding bonus area. I think you should play with this concept and maybe use it on a few more areas of the map. Might help get around common gameplay with Iberia.

As for making the ports and cities part of the regional bonus, I'm less confident on. My reasoning is that in occupying a territory you're getting a bonus b/c you receive the resources of that area. But since cities are involved, often in wars a region is occupied but the city is not, therefore diversifying the bonus/resources. Just a thought.

As far as bonuses go, there's a few spreadsheets here that can give you a reasonable idea of what would be appropriate. I based all my bonuses off what that told me and people chipped in their opinions when they thought something was too big or small.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1410


Thanks for the help mate, it's really appreciated.

Danyael wrote:Note to merker
when you add the new update to the op edit subject to contain page of my update is on
i.e Espana V3 pg 1 & 5


Fair enough, I take it you are going to make it an Espanol spin on the map, as in the Spanish language?
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 <1&5>

Postby Danyael on Thu May 07, 2009 12:37 am

Industrial Helix wrote:As for making the ports and cities part of the regional bonus, I'm less confident on. My reasoning is that in occupying a territory you're getting a bonus b/c you receive the resources of that area. But since cities are involved, often in wars a region is occupied but the city is not, therefore diversifying the bonus/resources. Just a thought.


will do it will be better less clutter

here is my next update
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added
names
colour to balearics
port routes
impassables
title
crappy looking legend

TO DO
make impassables and routes look better
make better legend
pixel tweaking
canary islands
better title

Discussion
*gameplay*
murcia and five northern regions
-does this sound all right (see legend)
bonuses balanced so far ??

*graphics*
names and circle positions
are they ok?
should i have port icons or paths


all other and any comments appreciated
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 <1&5>

Postby Merker on Thu May 07, 2009 4:32 am

Ok, well I may cover some things that are in your 'To-do' list, but never the less;

  • Army circles are nice, territory titles, cool, just it's the continent name... Don't like the squishing or the font.
  • Break up the Belearics and the Canary Islands in my opinion.
  • With the northern bonus, I was simply thinking "Nort de Espana". I realise with the current one it employs unique gameplay, but, it seems silly to employ it with a functional continent, not with the single territory continent, Murcia. >Helix

  • I think port icons TBH
  • Finally, with Madrid, I was thinking a less generous option, maybe 1+ bonus/autodeploy.



But definitely goodwork, I'm very happy with your work
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 <1&5>

Postby Dr.Winnerman on Thu May 07, 2009 11:36 am

The boarders look terrible, just saying
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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 <1&5>

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu May 07, 2009 5:59 pm

Some quick suggestions:

Place the circles on land not on water.
Asturias/cantabria/pais vasco/navarra/ La rioja. I read that three of them give +2 with a sorrounding bonus...i don't know if this is a good choice.... :? Why not set them like a zone?
Title font is nice, but could be funny do it with spain flag colors
Legend is not easy to read. And the grey color isn't so nice :|
Impassable borders aren't so nice but i read you have to modify them...
Why you add impassable on neutral zones borders (france and portugal) ? :?
The link mallorca-canaries could be done with a symbol instead a line...(same for A coruna-canaries)
Some zone colors are similar(example: galicia-cataluna)
Madrid starts neutral...how many neutral troops?
Why don't set murcia similar to madrid?
The map is very full in the lower part and a spanish contextualization is missed

On the whole the map is improving...pay attention not to make it too similar to the iberia map ;)

Good work! =D>

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Re: Spain - Draft V3.02 <1&5>

Postby Merker on Thu May 07, 2009 6:23 pm

Dr.Winnerman wrote:The boarders look terrible, just saying


I have to agree. The continent borders are good though.

thenobodies80 wrote:Some quick suggestions:

Place the circles on land not on water.
Definitely...
Asturias/cantabria/pais vasco/navarra/ La rioja. I read that three of them give +2 with a sorrounding bonus...i don't know if this is a good choice.... :? Why not set them like a zone?
I suggested this too.Danyael must of been just playing around with the GP.
Title font is nice, but could be funny do it with spain flag colors
Agreed.
Legend is not easy to read. And the grey color isn't so nice :|
Just a mock-up mate
Impassable borders aren't so nice but i read you have to modify them...
I couldn't agree with you more
Why you add impassable on neutral zones borders (france and portugal) ? :?
There are mountains there but I prefer the continent look.
The link mallorca-canaries could be done with a symbol instead a line...(same for A coruna-canaries)
I suggested aswell.
Some zone colors are similar(example: galicia-cataluna)
Mmmmmm...
Madrid starts neutral...how many neutral troops?
I'd say 5 myself.
Why don't set murcia similar to madrid?
Madrid's more important damnet :evil: .
The map is very full in the lower part and a spanish contextualization is missed

On the whole the map is improving...pay attention not to make it too similar to the iberia map ;)

Good work! =D>
MrBenn wrote:On an a side-note, as a child I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased round a supermarket by a crocodile pushing a shopping trolley and wearing an "I ♥ Shopping" t-shirt...

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