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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby Serbia on Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:29 pm

sailorseal is still annoying as ever. :D <--- equals no flame
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby gonffthethief on Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:12 pm

sailorseal wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:
RjBeals wrote:horrible idea. sorry.

Agree. Why would I want to conquer some testosterone in RISK?

.44

Your right Kill has enough Testosterone as it is :roll: :lol:
(Kill gets this ;) aka not a flame/bait)
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But I have to agree, this is like classic 2.o without the classic part, making it not very goog
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And it's estrogen vs. testosterone guys, not "conquering testosterone." As a girl, I would like to go up against guys and own them. Rock on science, rock on.
By the way, it should be "good" not "goog." And "your" should be changed to "you're." Just FYI :)
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby Merker on Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:35 am

I wouldn't mind it, their just mindless sheep following RJBeals, in this context anyway.

Although you'll need to come up with some snappy graphics if you want this quenched
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:19 am

How are these graphics and such? Do people like this one better? It seems much more readable.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby sailorseal on Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:21 am

Well I like it better but:

You need to make it bigger:the image size

You need to explain what molecules are what
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:57 am

So, the molecules themselves need to be bigger? And maybe a color key for which colors are which atoms?
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:26 pm

I made the molecules bigger and added a key for the atoms, anything else look like it needs fixing or tweaking?
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Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:50 pm

So I've been working on a map in the idea room, and have gotten it to a pretty good draft of the map, and would like to see it go beta. Its called Testosterone VS Estrogen and has 84 territories, with a non continental bonus scheme. So here it is:
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby MrBenn on Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:27 pm

Welcome to the drafting room... I've merged your two threads together so that all the discussion is kept in one place ;-)

My initial observations are as follows:

1) Your image looks good, and shows a competent level of ability ;-)

2) Your image will need to adhere to the size restrictions, and be no larger than: 840x800px for the large image, and 630x600px for the small. 1024px × 910px is way too big...

3) You've got a nice rendering of your structures, but some the language is going to be lost on a non-technical audience... the map purports to be a battle of testosterone v estrogen (ie male v female), but the visual representation of it is much more atomic than platonic. To get a feel for how badly atomic/chemical structures seem to do, it might be worth taking a peek at any of the failed periodic table maps to get an idea for the sort of battle you might be up against.

4) There are only two connections between the top and the bottom. This isn't in itself a bad thing, but the first thing you need to consider is how games are likely to play....

5) The images of the warrior/princess look like they've been copied and pasted from somewhere.... their copyright owners may have something to say about that :roll:

The progress a map makes through the foundry is dependent on several factors. The primary ones are the level of community engagement with the concept, and the way in which the mapmaker responds/interacts with commentators. If you feel your map isn't getting a lot of attention, then I'd encourage you to engage with other maps in development, and hope that people return the favour.

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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:29 pm

Here's one with sample army circles, or whatever those things are called.





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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:43 pm

Here's a draft of the large size. I am communicating with the artist to get the rights for the the man with the sword, and have gotten another princess for the frame. They are now the correct sizes too.
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And here's the small one:


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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby Danyael on Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:27 pm

this is a neat idea but i'm very confused about the bonuses
have you thought about what kind of bonus you would receive at your start drop ie player one gets 3H and starts
its going to make the game very one sided and this works many different way does it have to be 5 of the estrogen H for bonus or a combination of both works either way i cant imagine it being fun for the person that does not go first in 1v1 and 2v2
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:45 am

Danyael wrote:this is a neat idea but i'm very confused about the bonuses
have you thought about what kind of bonus you would receive at your start drop ie player one gets 3H and starts
its going to make the game very one sided and this works many different way does it have to be 5 of the estrogen H for bonus or a combination of both works either way i cant imagine it being fun for the person that does not go first in 1v1 and 2v2


I am completely open to ways to adjust the play of the game and how the bonuses will be awarded, but I didn't really understand what you were referring to when you were talking about Hydrogen and everything. Could you state it a bit more clearly so I can take your ideas into account and make this a great map for all to enjoy? Thanks Danyael. Also, anyone who reads this who has an idea about how to make gameplay better, just post it and I will work any good suggestions into the play of the map.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby Danyael on Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:16 pm

do you need to hold 5 hydrogens on only estrogen or testosterone just 5 hydrogens (which can be ie 3 from testostrone & 2 from estrogen) to recieve the bonus

same goes with oxygen?

this causes who goes first to get a big chance of getting multiple bonus to start which can that evolve in to a highly one sided battle with in the first couple rounds

i hope that explains it better
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby RjBeals on Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:23 pm

your images are 2.5 megs. That's ridiculous. And how much of this is original art?
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby WidowMakers on Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:03 pm

This reminds me of my horrible DNA map. Theme not looks
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:02 pm

RjBeals wrote:your images are 2.5 megs. That's ridiculous. And how much of this is original art?


Actually, most of it is original art. I personally developed the molecule images, drew them myself in a freeware program, and put everything together. The picture of the guy with the sword was done by a little known 19 year old artist who has agreed to let me use it, and I designed most of the princess myself as well, although I admit, I did steal the original dress design, but then again, so do the top designers. The only thing not really the original is the background which could be redone if necessary, and I only put it together in less than a couple of days. And also, there is no size limit on the image file, just the dimensions as far as I've been told, but if it bothers people, I can deal with that too. Are there any ideas for making it better, not just rants? I have done pretty much everything myself, and I've never done anything this major before, so some help would be nice.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby RjBeals on Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:03 pm

WidowMakers wrote:This reminds me of my horrible DNA map. Theme not looks
viewtopic.php?p=258924#p258924


You've come a long way my friend.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:08 pm

Danyael wrote:do you need to hold 5 hydrogens on only estrogen or testosterone just 5 hydrogens (which can be ie 3 from testostrone & 2 from estrogen) to recieve the bonus

same goes with oxygen?

this causes who goes first to get a big chance of getting multiple bonus to start which can that evolve in to a highly one sided battle with in the first couple rounds

i hope that explains it better


Yes, that helps a lot. Any ideas on how I could have sufficient bonuses and yet not have that problem? These are just my preliminary ideas. I think the main problems with the map are now playing issues, which is the whole point. I think a lot of us want a molecule map to succeed, and if this isn't the one to do it, then by all means, suggest another one, but I've been going through all of them, and the main complaints in the past have been visual ones, which I think we can overcome. All the people in favor of them just get chickened out by people who wouldn't understand trying to make disparaging comments. So lets band together instead of tearing each other down, and maybe someone will be able to get one into beta's where we'll known how well gameplay works instead of judging it right off the bat.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby tlane on Sat May 02, 2009 9:49 am

This map is looking nice, good job so far matto.

First of all you should update your first post,the first post should have all the information about what is currently happening with the map, including a picture of the newest update(if you don't know how to edit a post, there is a 'edit' button in the top right of every post you have made).

Now, to the point.
Here are some suggestions:
1. There is some random black dot next to the army circle on "Estrogen, carbon 13"
2. Think of that, maybe you have said it, but how are you going to each territory exactly. I see the numbers, and names of molecules(Carbon, Oxygen, and Hydrogen), but you should still clear this up a bit.
3. For the bonuses: They may be a bit confusing to some people, to fix this, you may want to put a picture of each bonus. For example, you would put a picture of a carbon ring - for "one carbon ring: 3", and a picture of an oxygen molecule for....
4. You may also want to put all the text, like the bonuses and the different colored "carbon, oxygen, hydrogen", in some sort of box, like a map key.

mattosaurus wrote: The only thing not really the original is the background which could be redone if necessary, and I only put it together in less than a couple of days.

The background should be fine.

looking nice :)
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mibi on Sun May 03, 2009 10:49 pm

Finally a Testosterone VS Estrogen map. I have been waiting for this since I got bored with classic.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen

Postby mattosaurus on Wed May 06, 2009 7:59 am

Here's a couple of ideas, either dashed attack lines, or solid attack lines.

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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen(Version 7)

Postby luxCRUSADER on Sat May 09, 2009 6:20 pm

Wow !!! I really like this alot- I hope to play on it soon :-D

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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen(Version 8)

Postby mattosaurus on Mon May 11, 2009 8:55 am

Here's a look at version 7:

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Check out my map in the making: Testosterone VS Estrogen
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen(Version 8)

Postby 33.maverick.33 on Wed May 13, 2009 9:54 am

This map looks really interesting. It's definetly original and would make for some great play.
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