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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (V10 & 11 With Poll, please vote)

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:16 pm

sailorseal wrote:Maybe turn the Testosterone into a vague man shape and Estrogen into a vague women shape

Do you mean the molecules or the words?
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (V10, 11 & 12 W/ Poll)

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:10 pm

Here's a third Edition, with a pinkish background for the Female side and with the color of the Female symbol changed to match. I also added a statement that ring bonuses do not stack. Here it is:
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (V10, 11 & 12 W/ Poll)

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:02 pm

So in this draft I muted the background and changed a few other minor details. I really like this one a ton better. I hope you all like it better. Any comments are always appreciated.
Sorry about the layout of the poll. The poll wouldn't accept any answers unless I had at least four, so I put the options in there several times.

So I added a symbol of man and woman as requested. I can leave it as is, switch out the pictures of the man and woman for the symbols, or have both in there as in the example. Will start a new poll soon on this.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (Lucky 13? W/ Poll)

Postby ender516 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:48 pm

It's nice to see how you are incorporating suggestions so quickly (especially some of mine). I like the idea of the pink-toned background for the estrogen half of the map, but the colours you are actually using for that and the female symbol ♀ are a bit too purple in my view. Maybe something closer to a baby pink would be more effective. More like this rather than this.
Also, if you restart your poll about "Would you play this map?", try these as four answers: "Definitely", "Probably", "Probably not", and "Definitely not". You could also add "On the fence" in the middle.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (Lucky 13? W/ Poll)

Postby mattosaurus on Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:16 am

So I did a bit of tweaking on this one that I think makes the whole thing a ton better. I made the pink on Estrogen darker and a bit redder, I made some fonts bigger, mainly so they would be legible on the small map, darkened a few other colors to fit the theme, and rearranged some peripheral images and such to fit better and put more focus on the male and female symbols. So What do you think?

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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (Lucky 13? W/ Poll)

Postby ender516 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:35 pm

I'm still not fond of the shade of pink on the background or the colour of the female symbol, but I like the visual balance of all the graphical elements.

Now as to the bonuses. Keep in mind I am not commenting on the values of them here, just the way they are described. First, I think the legend should drop the word "Army". You could replace it with "Structure", perhaps, or just say "Bonuses".

Now a question: does the 5-carbon ring (testosterone carbons 1 through 5, or estrogen carbons 13 through 17) count for a bonus just as any of the other 6-carbon (benzene) rings do, or does it only count as part of the biggest bonus? If it does, you may need to add more examples, showing the 5-carbon ring on its own and conjoined to one and two benzene rings.

Next the terminology: I don't think "consecutive" is quite the word you want, either "complete" or "conjoined" might be better, and the meaning of "Ring Bonuses Do Not Stack" isn't immediately clear to me. Here at CC, when I hear the word "stack", I think of troops being deployed without attacking and building up a stronghold. May I suggest the following wording for the legend, which should make clear what I think you plan the bonus scheme to be (I am marking this as code to get the fixed width font):

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     1 Complete Carbon Ring:  4
  Connect a 2nd Carbon Ring: +3 = 7
  Connect a 3rd Carbon Ring: +3 = 10
Connect the 4th Carbon Ring: +3 = 13

I don't think that leaves any room for doubt about what the bonuses would be. Two separate carbon rings would count 4 each, naturally.

As far as the fonts go, I can see the numbers on the small image, so well done.

Good work on the speedy updates!
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (v14 W/ Poll)

Postby mattosaurus on Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:39 pm

Here's a new update. Cleaned up a few graphics and changed the background colors for the female side and symbol. I like it even more than the last one. Keep the comments coming.

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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (v15)

Postby mattosaurus on Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:44 am

Here's an update taking into account recent comments made by ender516. I also did a couple things on my own.
I made the female color a bit pinker and the symbol too.
I also blended the blue and the pink to make it a bit less stark.
The way the bonuses were stated was changed to clarify better what is meant.

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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v13,14,15)

Postby ender516 on Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:22 pm

These graphics are really coming along. The new pink is a big improvement in my eyes, much more girly, as it should be. It is very gratifying to see you accepting my suggestions so readily.
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v13,14,15)

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:34 pm

At this point, I've had three tries to come up with a color for the girl side background. So we're going to vote on them. We'll start with the pinkest and go to the purplest and see what you all think.

Again, my poll maker is acting very strange, so this was the best I could come up with as far as getting all the options there.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (v15)

Postby Echospree on Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:51 pm

I'm liking the pinkest version the most.

Also, have you clarified whether owning the 5-carbon ring gives a bonus or not?
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (v15)

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:41 pm

Echospree wrote:Also, have you clarified whether owning the 5-carbon ring gives a bonus or not?


I haven't clarified that, but yes, I intended for the 5 carbon ring to give the bonus. Anyone have any ideas as to how to make that clear on the map?
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (v15)

Postby ender516 on Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:35 am

mattosaurus wrote:I intended for the 5 carbon ring to give the bonus. Anyone have any ideas as to how to make that clear on the map?

I am not sure if you have room, but if beside "1 Complete Carbon RIng" you put a picture of a 6 carbon ring and a 5 carbon ring with the word "or" between them, that should get the idea across. Scrounge a bit more space, and you can put both possibilities next to the other levels of bonus as well ( 6 + 6 or 6 + 5, and 6 + 6 + 6 or 6 + 6 + 5). Luckily, there is only one possibility for four rings, and the 5 carbon ring always appears only at the end of a chain.

Ways to free up space for these examples: move the pink Carbon-yellow Oxygen-green Hydrogen legend next to the female symbol; move the "2 Oxygens: 2, 4 Oxygens: 4, 5 Hydrogens: 1" to a single horizontal line of text across the bottom of the "Bonuses" legend; slightly reduce the size of the example rings.

Spelling correction: you do not want an apostrophe in "Spheres attack each other..."

Colour suggestion: Although I like the grey spheres as they are, one might consider making them blue to carry through the blue vs. pink, male vs. female dichotomy.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (v15)

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:52 am

So the recent poll gave this as the best map. So here it is Large and small. Comments on how to improve and if you like are always appreciated.
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Re: Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16)

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:17 am

So I adjusted the way bonuses were displayed to make how they work clearer. These were done by suggestion by Ender516 and I hope they are totally clear now. I will be working on making a blue carbon version of the Testosterone next.

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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby mattosaurus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:27 am

So I got the poll thing fixed, so here's the poll that I was trying to do earlier.
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby ender516 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:32 pm

Nice work on the bonus descriptions, just what I had in mind, and I think they are quite clear. I voted for blue, provided it is muted compared to the male symbol, just as the pink carbons are compared to the female symbol. If you go with the blue, you might consider using grey for the bonus description diagrams, so they don't look too specifically female, though I doubt this would be a problem with any but the very dimmest players.
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby RjBeals on Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:06 pm

you have some artistic talent for sure, but what a stupid theme. I can't believe this map is still in production.
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby ender516 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:24 pm

That's a bit harsh, isn't it? Let's face it, every map is just a way of illustrating a network of troop circles. Structural depictions of molecules have a useful level of connectedness for this purpose and haven't been used before on CC, so they give the map some originality. And once you are using molecules, I think using these two, which are at least perceived to be opposites, does provide a little conflict. So what is so stupid about the theme?
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby RjBeals on Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:45 am

I consider Risk to be a warfare style game - battles. I mean sure it's just networked colored numbers in circles - but if that was the case, why not just have photograph in the background, and some army circles placed randomly on top? For me, the map is a big part of what makes the gameplay fun. I taunt my friends about their weak armies, and if feels good to stack troops on defending borders. I just don't think I could get into a game played on a molocule. Sorry. But like i said, you've got good graphic skills, I just wish you would have applied them to a georgraphic map.
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:10 am

Like Ender516 said, we have tons of geographic maps. What makes this one unique is that its being played on molecules. Every continent is decently represented, (one might say that europe is over represented) we have tons of maps of totally made up places, but this one is unique in the fact that its not just territories made of land. They are atoms, those essential building blocks of life. It makes just as mush sense to me that we fight over that as fighting over a made up territory.
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby Kabanellas on Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:16 am

Mattos, I like more of the Blue version. But I feel like that kind of blue isn't the best - what if it had a little bit more of gray in its composition?
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby Echospree on Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:09 pm

Hmm, I think the Blue is too dark, it doesn't stand out enough from the background
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby Silent Killer on Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:28 pm

Echospree wrote:Hmm, I think the Blue is too dark, it doesn't stand out enough from the background


Blue is too dark, hence I chose grey..

Maybe a different shad of blue is required??
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Re: [Poll]Testosterone VS Estrogen (v16,17)

Postby mattosaurus on Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:27 pm

Now I have two versions, one with Gray Testosterone Carbons, and one with blue ones. Let's see which everyone thinks is better.

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So I adjusted the way bonuses were displayed to make how they work clearer. These were done by suggestion by Ender516 and I hope they are totally clear now.

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