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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Optimus Prime on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:29 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
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Bruceswar wrote:Give the people want they want! Let us be able to disable it and use CC like we used to!

You still can. Update BOB to the latest version and ignore the box to the right of the map. Spending the extra time necessary to make every single update that not everyone likes an optional feature is not an effective or efficient use of lackattack's programming time.



BOB Makes CC really slow.... Nobody in their right mind plays with BOB on that is into speed freestyle. Just let it disable it!

My point still stands. It is not affecting your ability to play a speed game. If you don't use BOB anyways, then like I said, ignore the box, it isn't doing you any harm.
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby K-dub on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:33 pm

i love the new settings!!! 1 question though...how does this work on fog games?
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby drunkmonkey on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:36 pm

gooniekillah wrote:i didnt know that BOB even existed. and the fact that there is a fog analyzer means that you must just suck at this game if you need to cheat like that. i'm pretty upset but i guess that doesn't make those programs (or the new update) go away. automized risk is for fags.
not too happy about any of this.
whatever


Out of curiosity, which part of this update makes one a "fag"?
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Bruceswar on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:40 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:Give the people want they want! Let us be able to disable it and use CC like we used to!

You still can. Update BOB to the latest version and ignore the box to the right of the map. Spending the extra time necessary to make every single update that not everyone likes an optional feature is not an effective or efficient use of lackattack's programming time.



BOB Makes CC really slow.... Nobody in their right mind plays with BOB on that is into speed freestyle. Just let it disable it!

My point still stands. It is not affecting your ability to play a speed game. If you don't use BOB anyways, then like I said, ignore the box, it isn't doing you any harm.


That box makes me scroll..... How is it not effecting me?
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby trooper29 on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:42 pm

I'm all for the new game stats! It adds a new dimension to the game.

If some players don't like it, perhaps they could be given the option of turning it off ( just like the large map view)?

Another suggestion: new troops for eliminated players should read "0", not "3".
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby OutSider on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:44 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:
OutSider wrote:My only problem is that in a fog game, players should not know how many territories others have..... That's one of the points of fog......


As it's been said time and time again, the game log has always shown this and B.O.B. already displays it for you.

The only people complaining about this either a)don't know about B.O.B. or b)have B.O.B. and are upset they don't have an advantage anymore. Nothing about this is new for those who knew how to find it, so please stop whining.


Wow, we aren't allowed to voice our thoughts.... I didn't know drunkmonkey was in charge of this place.......
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Gold Knight on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:52 pm

gooniekillah wrote:this new update and the fact that people have been using cheat programs (especially fog analyzer wtf) this whole time pretty much makes me want to quit playing on this site. but apparently that wouldnt do me any good as i've probably been playing against the same cheaters for the last 2 1/2 years anyway.
cool, i'm glad you guys need to cheat to get your ranks. woo. you guys are so good at this game


Dont have the same negative attitude, but kind of agree with this. Knew all along about BOB and "whatever-monkeys" people were downloading, but call me a CC-purist in that I actually enjoyed analyzing territory counts and bonuses on my own, added a little something to the game for me. This almost makes it kind of boring to look to a screen on the right and basically have the game summed up for me...

As i said, if people really feel the need for BOB and other programs, i have no problem with it, but kind of dumbs down the game for me. As bruce and others have said, I wouldnt even mind if there was a disable button so i just didnt have to look at it, but to me it would seem that most established players on this site can scroll 10 lines up the log to figure out someones territory count and not feel the need for this...

But not really losing sleep over this, ill just ignore it.
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby -Maximus- on Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:52 pm

How do I turn it off? I have to look 6" on my cpu to see the card amounts...boo!
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Avenger95050 on Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:02 pm

I don't like it, it just makes it easy for the lazy. Like the government seems intent on redistributing my money to those who don't want to work, CC has become a liberal organization coddling the weak at the expense of the strong. What's next, an undo button? GD I hate socialism. Mike
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby drunkmonkey on Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:09 pm

OutSider wrote:
drunkmonkey wrote:
OutSider wrote:My only problem is that in a fog game, players should not know how many territories others have..... That's one of the points of fog......


As it's been said time and time again, the game log has always shown this and B.O.B. already displays it for you.

The only people complaining about this either a)don't know about B.O.B. or b)have B.O.B. and are upset they don't have an advantage anymore. Nothing about this is new for those who knew how to find it, so please stop whining.


Wow, we aren't allowed to voice our thoughts.... I didn't know drunkmonkey was in charge of this place.......


You're allowed to say whatever you want. In this case, you were wrong. I thought you'd be happy to learn something new.
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Woody63 on Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:20 pm

not really into the change ..... like the opposition to have to think for themselves without the help . Missing the green dots .
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby ender516 on Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:31 pm

I applaud those players who have made a habit of counting territories and troops by hand, because basic skills like this get little exercise nowadays. However, I think the real skill lies in what you do with the numbers once you have them, so I have no problem with aids like this update or BOB helping me to make informed decisions of strategy and tactics.
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby R.theghost on Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:59 pm

this is one of the best updates i have seen, it could save me a lot of work chatting to noobs explaining whos the biggest threat... :lol:

it just gives information so if u just look at it and dont look around map it doesnt help much, for example a player with 40 armies in 40 territories that dont even include one bonus could be a lesser threat then a player with 30 armies in 1 or 2 territories, even if the first has everything higher
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Keredrex on Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:59 pm

love it.. although I think it could maybe benefit from a better layout.

what if you made the Game # a little smaller (maybe put it with the game stats below the map).
then move the Round Number stat up. that would add some room.

then maybe you could place the game statistics below the names... and highlight the numbers according to the color.
you could place the info above... Spoils Territs etc.
and below that the numbers colored 3 15

ALSO... i think it would be better for Spoils to be listed 1st .. or go back to the original spoils counter next to the names... and have the other info listed like i described

just a thought
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby R.theghost on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:05 am

Keredrex wrote:love it.. although I think it could maybe benefit from a better layout.

what if you made the Game # a little smaller (maybe put it with the game stats below the map).
then move the Round Number stat up. that would add some room.

then maybe you could place the game statistics below the names... and highlight the numbers according to the color.
you could place the info above... Spoils Territs etc.
and below that the numbers colored 3 15

ALSO... i think it would be better for Spoils to be listed 1st .. or go back to the original spoils counter next to the names... and have the other info listed like i described

just a thought


yes something like that would be even better! :roll:
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby j35t3r.us on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:10 am

Put Spoils in the first column.
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Optimus Prime on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:24 am

Bruceswar wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:Give the people want they want! Let us be able to disable it and use CC like we used to!

You still can. Update BOB to the latest version and ignore the box to the right of the map. Spending the extra time necessary to make every single update that not everyone likes an optional feature is not an effective or efficient use of lackattack's programming time.



BOB Makes CC really slow.... Nobody in their right mind plays with BOB on that is into speed freestyle. Just let it disable it!

My point still stands. It is not affecting your ability to play a speed game. If you don't use BOB anyways, then like I said, ignore the box, it isn't doing you any harm.


That box makes me scroll..... How is it not effecting me?

Well, you said you didn't use BOB, so you didn't have the statistics before, so if you aren't using them anyways, why bother scrolling? ;)
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:37 am

Good update but sort of takes some of the fun out of FOG games.
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby YoursFalsey on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:38 am

natty_dread wrote:great update, thanks lack!

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I agree- it's hard to see how someone can complain about a change because they feel it "levels the playing field."

As for fog of war- I'm not sure it's really such a change- it doesn't tell # of armies or armies due for other players, and I think most of us check the logs anyway, so telling number of territories just saves us the effort of scrolling and counting. I like the change, and I give it a thumbs up!
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby THORNHEART on Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:56 am

I am glad you guys are working on the site but I need to say my honest opinon...I think this is a crappy addition and theat it doesnt help the game...it just provides a distraction and alot more scrolling on a already small comp screen I have...

I say make this a hide away feature...for those that dont want it we can minimize or take it all away like large or small map...that might work
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Bruceswar on Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:00 am

Optimus Prime wrote:Well, you said you didn't use BOB, so you didn't have the statistics before, so if you aren't using them anyways, why bother scrolling? ;)



That is where the card numbers are.... all the way on the other side....
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Optimus Prime on Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:11 am

Bruceswar wrote:
Optimus Prime wrote:Well, you said you didn't use BOB, so you didn't have the statistics before, so if you aren't using them anyways, why bother scrolling? ;)



That is where the card numbers are.... all the way on the other side....

Which is an easy fix that does not require the entire box of information being made optional. ;)
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby Brann2006 on Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:31 am

OP, he aint alone on wanting the disable button. I were the first one that mantioned it, and many others have said they want it aswell, so why are you then argueing against it?
Its just some of us that really dont some of these changes you make, and want the opportunity to keep it old school. So please get your heads straighten out and give us this god damnit disable button. :D
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby THORNHEART on Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:42 am

it seems only low rankers are cool with this...that is because they are lazy...any good player can do a quick bonus/troop count in like 1 glance at the map...why is it so dumb for those of us that pay to be able to have the options we like?

im not like really angry or anything im just wondering why you guys always seem to implement the lower ranking players wishes and never cater to higher ranking people that put a lot more time and energy into this site...
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Re: Game Statistics

Postby hahaha3hahaha on Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:46 am

This is a terrible update, BOB is tonnes better, and the new system is fucking up my BOB clock. Remove this rubbish update and concentrate on more useful things that need doing.
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