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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby samuelc812 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:40 am

Hey guys,

nagerous is currently on vacation, he will be back today or tomorrow, and i'm sure he will be responding to all his PM's then. You have not been ignored.

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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby nagerous on Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:02 am

Apologies for the lack of response, I was away from thursday evening onwards and only just got back and had only time to add a bunch of people to the group before leaving. Everyone who has applied for the group shall hear from me in the next 24 hours. :)
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:33 pm

A good flurry of activity so far! We are still looking for more people to help construct guides, but also for people who think they've got the strategy know-how to offer critiques, comments, advice, and suggestions during the writing process.

Think you have the strategy know-how? Message nagerous. :D


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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby nagerous on Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:21 am

I believe all pending requests to join the group have now been dealt with. The sub-forum is found above the information section. If there are any more requests to join the group then drop me a PM and I will respond ASAP.

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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:36 pm

Update!

We've altered the Medal Ratio to '1 Strategy Guide produced and published = 1 General Contribution Medal'. So get cracking and produce some Strategy Guides to receive one or more General Contribution Medals!

AndyDufresne wrote:To add further incentive, we will also be awarding General Contribution Medals
    For every 1 Strategy Guides produced and published by an author, the author receives 1 General Contribution. So if you produce and publish 4 guides you will earn 4 General Contribution Medals detailing your Strategy Guide Contributions.
Who wouldn't want one or more General Contribution Medals decorating their medal profile? :D
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And even if you aren't interested in writing your own guide, you are still welcome to help the development of all the other guides. If we have any outstanding contributors who do not create any guides of their own, we may recognize these contributions as well later in the process. So hope is out there for those Contributors as well!



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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby john9blue on Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:31 pm

So you're not offering any Special Contribution medals anymore?
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby Bruceswar on Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:09 pm

Oh wait now you want to bribe people to make these guides.. Sigh all the work done the first time wasted... and now to bride people .... sigh
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby natty dread on Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:05 am

john9blue wrote:So you're not offering any Special Contribution medals anymore?


There are no more special contribution medals. They were renamed into general contribution medals.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:56 am

Bruceswar wrote:Oh wait now you want to bribe people to make these guides.. Sigh all the work done the first time wasted... and now to bride people .... sigh


Bruce, like we mentioned---a couple of times mind you---if you have information in the old project, you can still use it---so do so. Eh? :)


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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:20 am

The Strategy Guide Contributors are happy to announce that the first batch of Official Strategy Guides from the Project have been released.


Many more Strategy Guides are currently in production as well, and a few more are nearing completion.

Remember, if you'd like to join this project, help contribute your strategy or write a guide of your own, please contact one of our Strategy Guide Leaders: Master Fenrir, Lindax, Laughingcavalier, nagerous, ljex. Maybe you can earn yourself a General Contribution Medal!

Thanks to all those who have contributed their hard work so far---and may it continue!



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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby nagerous on Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:22 am

Posting from the great outback of Australia.


Great work by the Strategy guide team in getting these maps published, many more to come :)

I won't be around for 2 more weeks due to summer travels but anyone interested should PM one of the other leaders and they'll be more than happy to help :)
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby Dako on Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:56 am

Why are the topics locked in strategy forums? Should people not post ideas and questions there?
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby laughingcavalier on Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:11 pm

The official strategy guides are locked so players can read them just as they are, because the guides have been through a process of peer review & approval which aims to make them at the least good introductions to the maps.
Everyone is invited to add to threads in the main strategy forum, or start their own, with advice on how to play maps & questions about gameplay.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby pmchugh on Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:57 pm

laughingcavalier wrote:The official strategy guides are locked so players can read them just as they are, because the guides have been through a process of peer review & approval which aims to make them at the least good introductions to the maps.
Everyone is invited to add to threads in the main strategy forum, or start their own, with advice on how to play maps & questions about gameplay.


I disagree with this 100%. It would be so much easier to discuss a map strategy inside its thread.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby Dako on Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:12 am

Yeah, I tend to disagree as well. People need to discuss things.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:24 pm

The Strategy Guide Contributors are happy to announce that the next batch of Official Strategy Guides from the Project have been released.



Many more are still to come---we do have 160+ maps you know!

Remember, if you'd like to join this project, help contribute your strategy or write a guide of your own, please contact one of our Strategy Guide Leaders: Master Fenrir, Lindax, Laughingcavalier, nagerous, ljex. Maybe you can earn yourself a General Contribution Medal!

Thanks to all those who have contributed their hard work so far, both in taking the initiative to write and format a Strategy Guide, but also all those helping critique, suggest, and comment on such Guides as well---and may it continue!



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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby Bruceswar on Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:05 pm

pmchugh wrote:
laughingcavalier wrote:The official strategy guides are locked so players can read them just as they are, because the guides have been through a process of peer review & approval which aims to make them at the least good introductions to the maps.
Everyone is invited to add to threads in the main strategy forum, or start their own, with advice on how to play maps & questions about gameplay.


I disagree with this 100%. It would be so much easier to discuss a map strategy inside its thread.



I agree 100% that people should be allowed to post. Questions from people are a great source of learning. Until this is fixed the guide will not serve as good of a purpose as it can / could. DAKO and pmchugh and me all agree. I am sure others also.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby stahrgazer on Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:17 pm

Hey, Andy, how about a compromise.. start an official strategy discussion thread for each map guide? That way, the list and guide threads can remain pristine as you want, but every guide will have ONE place for any questions, comments, etc.

As an author of at least one of the guides, I'd like to know where to see if reviewers and I missed something so I can bug you guys to let me make a rev (at least, if someone has a concern fairly soon after guides are released).

If you assign a mod to open a thread to discuss each guide, it's much more official than "just any player" starting up a discussion.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby porkenbeans on Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:38 pm

Guides are a great idea, but the guide is only as good as the author. If CC is to have official guides, then I suggest that only the best players on each map, should be invited to write them. Last time that I looked, I was the leader in points and win %, on Prohibition Chicago. I would be honored to write a tutorial on it, if asked. 8-)
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby Master Fenrir on Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:39 pm

porkenbeans wrote:Last time that I looked, I was the leader in points and win %, on Prohibition Chicago. I would be honored to write a tutorial on it, if asked. 8-)

Maprank says you're 3rd, but you're stats are fantastic. I think it'd be great if you were willing to write it and would like for you to do it. If you're willing, shoot me a PM and I'll add you to the group.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby Dako on Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:53 am

stahrgazer wrote:Hey, Andy, how about a compromise.. start an official strategy discussion thread for each map guide? That way, the list and guide threads can remain pristine as you want, but every guide will have ONE place for any questions, comments, etc.

As an author of at least one of the guides, I'd like to know where to see if reviewers and I missed something so I can bug you guys to let me make a rev (at least, if someone has a concern fairly soon after guides are released).

If you assign a mod to open a thread to discuss each guide, it's much more official than "just any player" starting up a discussion.

One place for all guides = junk of irrelevant messages with inability to follow someone posts. It will be impossible to handle a discussion there.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby stahrgazer on Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:24 am

Dako wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:Hey, Andy, how about a compromise.. start an official strategy discussion thread for each map guide? That way, the list and guide threads can remain pristine as you want, but every guide will have ONE place for any questions, comments, etc.

As an author of at least one of the guides, I'd like to know where to see if reviewers and I missed something so I can bug you guys to let me make a rev (at least, if someone has a concern fairly soon after guides are released).

If you assign a mod to open a thread to discuss each guide, it's much more official than "just any player" starting up a discussion.

One place for all guides = junk of irrelevant messages with inability to follow someone posts. It will be impossible to handle a discussion there.


I suggested one place EACH for discussion of each guide; not one thread to discuss all guides. Just separate from the guides themselves.

I agree with admin that if they open the "official guides" posts to discussion, they'll fill up with junk and irrelevant messages. I also agree with you guys that we need an official place for legitimate strategy discussion.

Thus, my suggestion of having an official strat discussion thread for each guide (first post should link to the guide) is a reasonable compromise:
  • keeps the guides themselves 'pristine'
  • gives one official place for each guide's strategy discussions.
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby Dako on Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:49 am

Ok, I agree with that. Thou I don't see the difference in amount of junk and irrelevant messages in official guide thread or official guide discussion thread. And I bet people will want the 1st post of the discussion thread to duplicate the guide itself (for quoting purposes).

And the point of locking guides... you lock something when it is unchangeable or is a finished document, like rules or ISO standards. Guides (in a perfect world) should be updated along users comments. Also, author can expand some moments and answer some questions like why did the author wrote this and not that. I wouldn't call it a junk.

Or at least - give it a try. Open guides for a few weeks and see how people react. Clean and structured discussion - you were wrong. Flaming and baiting - we were wrong (but you could wipe such messages to keep only clean and structured discussion, but I guess you don't want to).
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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:47 am

I agree that guides mostly likely are evolving. We simply wanted to make it so when new users/new-to-a-map users come to a Guide, they don't feel like they have to wade through every single post in a guide topic, as it expand and expands. The guides are really meant to be a starting point, or a jumping off point. No one guide can capture everything about a map, but it hopefully can give someone new/new-to-a-map users some starting insight.

How about we open up the Guides completed by the current project (the older guides are in the process of being REVAMPed so we'll wait for their official re-launch, I think), and after the first post, we place a second post as a 'divider.'

This would have a line or some other formatting method, with a small message that the Official Guide ends here, but there may be relevant strategy discussion outside the scope of the basic map guide located in the first post.

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porkenbeans wrote:Last time that I looked, I was the leader in points and win %, on Prohibition Chicago. I would be honored to write a tutorial on it, if asked. 8-)

Maprank says you're 3rd, but you're stats are fantastic. I think it'd be great if you were willing to write it and would like for you to do it. If you're willing, shoot me a PM and I'll add you to the group.


We'd love to have more people contributing, especially if they are/think they are terrific at a certain map or maps. You need no request, just ask to join the project and get to work! :D


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Re: Official Strategy Guides Project Launching

Postby stahrgazer on Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:41 am

AndyDufresne wrote:How about we open up the Guides completed by the current project (the older guides are in the process of being REVAMPed so we'll wait for their official re-launch, I think), and after the first post, we place a second post as a 'divider.'
This would have a line or some other formatting method, with a small message that the Official Guide ends here, but there may be relevant strategy discussion outside the scope of the basic map guide located in the first post.
--Andy


Concur on all of this; the project is revamping all the guides, even if only to add minor notes on the game options that were not part of CC when those original guides were created; and guide authors seem quite willing to admit, we do not and cannot capture every strategic point for any map.

If the first few seem to turn into a bruhaha, flamefest, or other nonsense, you can always decide to lock any remaining guide threads right away. At least then, you'll have tried to open them up to legitimate alternative strategy discussion.
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