Improved Army Printing

[iamkoolerthanu]

I like the new font.. It will take some getting used to, but I still like it

The only thing I am having trouble with is Clickable Maps.. The new version in this thread, and in the actual thread, isn't working for me.. I will sort it out though

[the.killing.44]

This font is disgustingly bold and blurry, and the stroke is even worse.

Go back to the pixel one.

[lokisgal]

AND IT DOESNT WORK ON A MAC - I HAVE ALL THE FONTS AND NOW I HAVE NO BOB!!!!

[lokisgal]

AND IT DOESNT WORK ON A MAC - I HAVE ALL THE FONTS AND NOW I HAVE NO BOB!!!!

Im in foggy games and its important for kills and so on i cant tell how many someone has left - wtf
when is this going to be fixed???!!

I updated on one comp OS 10.4.1 (mac) now bob is just gone
did not update on another - same system and I cant load maps.....

[king achilles]

Hate to triple post, but my clickies aren't working (Yes, I'm using the latest version)

All the territories on the edge are off while I had to refresh the page to simply manually end each phase. (shortcuts keys didn't work)

I suggest that you continue this with the CM thread here.

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I have the same thing, it seems to be mainly with blue, and with numbers that tend to be close together 4, 6, 8, and i think it has to deal with the black outlining of the numbers.

I wouldn't call this "improved army printing." Since updating Bob, as requested by the flashing red notice on the Bob Menu, my letters are larger, seemingly a different font, and blurry. Also, for some reason, my Australia map doesn't ever load - stuck in eternal Bob processing. I use FireFox 3.6.3. Any clues would be appreciated. I'm not going to play the Ctrl+ and Ctrl- game every time I log in - that's ridiculous. I appreciate the efforts to improve CC, but this one sent me back a couple steps.

Please be sure that you are viewing the map on a 'normal' level and not in a zoomed setting. For now, I would say this is the "fix" in avoiding to see any sort of blurry numbers or letters.

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lokisgal
Let's try this. Clear your cache and cookies. Uninstall BOB if it's there. Then check if you have the latest version of your browser. Restart pc. Install BOB again.

[lokisgal]

AND IT DOESNT WORK ON A MAC - I HAVE ALL THE FONTS AND NOW I HAVE NO BOB!!!!

Im in foggy games and its important for kills and so on i cant tell how many someone has left - wtf
when is this going to be fixed???!!

I updated on one comp OS 10.4.1 (mac) now bob is just gone
did not update on another - same system and I cant load maps.....

firefox etc...

[lokisgal]

lokisgal
Let's try this. Clear your cache and cookies. Uninstall BOB if it's there. Then check if you have the latest version of your browser. Restart pc. Install BOB again.

ive done all of that - it must be a mac conflict
was the very first thing i did....

[king achilles]

Strange. If it's having BOB installed properly on your browser again, post in the BOB thread about this.

[maasman]

I'm having a lot of performance issues now, especially on the hive, that weren't there before. I'm suspecting it's because you put more of the strain on my end and off of the server, but this slow computer can't take it very well and its causing a lot of headaches for me, but I'm not sure what you could do to fix it

[tdans]

my clkies are not working at all.. kinda hard to do 70 turns with dropdowns..

[Commander62890]

clickies dont work

[Eddy_26]

I've found that unchecking BOB in the greasemonkey menu fixes CM, otherwise I'm having to refresh for every attack and phase end

[jricart]

Since you guys are improving this site a lot recently, how possible it is to include BOB and Clickies in the main site programming so we dont need to use add-ons?

Most of the people use them, and that will eliminate a lot of issues when you guys do upgrades, dont you think?

We are already working to add various Tools & Enhancements as site features. Stay tuned for this.


--Andy

Bananas for you and booo to lack for make us suffer with clickies and BOB right now!

[joriki]

Hi lack -- first of all, thanks as always for all the work you do on this site.

The font is the exact same size and most numbers are exactly identical. The number 2 and 7 are slightly different now.

But of course some people will complain that everything is impossible to read even though nothing has changed

I think you should take back that comment. People are trying to help and point out problems, and you're making fun of them and pretending there aren't any.

I understand the technical advantage aimed at by the improvement, but you may have underestimated the serious technical disadvantages it also brings with it. Text placement and styling is way more complicated than just serving a PNG, and you're seeing some of the effects of that in this thread.

Here's an analysis of the changes I see -- this is all without user scripts, using Safari Version 5.0 (5533.16), Mac OS X, Version 10.5.8, Build 9L31a, with Tahoma TrueType font pre-installed, normal zoom -- I'm embedding old and new pictures below.

-- The glyphs are bolder than before. This seems to be mainly because the DOM contains five versions of each glyph, one in the center and four shifted in each of the four axis directions. If I remove the shifted versions, the result looks closer to what it used to.
-- It seems the glyphs are now being anti-aliased, and weren't before. That may be what a lot of people are referring to as "blurry".
-- The glyph shapes are quite noticeably different, and it's not just the 2s and 7s. For instance, the 1 now has a curved hook; that used to be straight.

I also looked in Windows (also with Tahoma installed) -- it looks much more similar to the old version there, so part of the problem may be that you didn't test on the Mac; still, the Windows version is also noticeably different, e.g. also with curved hooks on the 1s.

So it seems that even if you solve all the problems with shifts and shifted black borders and user scripts that have been reported, some differences will probably remain. I think there are basically three options: a) retract the claim that nothing has changed, and announce that it looks slightly different now, and different on different computers, and you think the advantages outweigh that, b) reverse the changes, or c) create a font with the pixel shapes as they looked before, and either embed it in the page or offer it for download and make it the first in the font list, with Tahoma as the first fallback. I don't know if any of the major font formats allow direct pixel raster glyphs -- I know SVG does, but I'm not sure what the state of SVG support in major browsers is, and if you're going to embed SVG, you might as well embed the PNG as it was inline in the SVG; that would also solve the problem of the separate PNG sometimes going missing, without any of the positioning problems. (If you want to go the SVG way, I might be able to help.)

Here are the images -- it's not exactly the same game position, but similar enough to make some comparisons:

old:

Click image to enlarge.

new:

Click image to enlarge.

[maasman]

for me the same pixel font is there, but my computer is getting bogged down loading everything on a larger map.