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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby carlpgoodrich on Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:05 am

So, there is a theoretical calculation you can make to figure out the exact odds of winning a 3 vs 2. This is what assault odds does (I assume). However, if you take a given sample of random numbers and only pick from that sample, then due to random fluctuations the odds will be different (this is a post hoc statement). I have no way of knowing how they will be different until I see the set of numbers, but they will be different. Also, I don't know the hardware lack uses, but I can generate a billion random numbers in less than a second on my 4 year old laptop... Generating these things should not be whats tripping us up, and if they are then just generate a new file of 50,000 (or 500,000) every day, and use that!
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby Dako on Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:12 am

I guess the normal random generator doesn't comfort lack. Or for some other reason.

Yes, you can calculate average 3v2 win% if you have a set of numbers, but that statistics will not correlate with your rolls. It is just average and it doesn't mean bad or good luck will have no presence anymore.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby Foreverman on Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:18 am

All I have noticed is an increase in the frequency with which I get screwed by the dice. Thanks for making my CC experience more miserable.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby carlpgoodrich on Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:29 am

So, I just wrote a script that generates a list of 500,000 random numbers. It take 0.09 seconds to run on my laptop and uses a generator that comes standard on c++ compilers and is used by much of the scientific community. It would be very very easy to have this run once every hour (or whatever) to replace the list with a new list. You have to give it a seed number, and if you use a "true" random number from Random.org then I cannot imagine Lack would have a problem with that.

I would be more than happy to work with Lack, Dako, etc. to set this up. Please contact me if interested.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby Dako on Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:41 am

Well, do you know that random.org takes fee for their "true" random numbers? I don't know how much lack uses them and what CPU capacity he has so it is better to wait for his reply.

Generally, I like the idea of storing numbers in memory and changing the, from time to time.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby lackattack on Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:53 am

Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby bedub1 on Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:29 pm

lackattack wrote:Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!

I was under the impression the dice were "random". IE I want to attack, CC asked Random.org for 3 numbers for my attack dice. CC asked random.org for 2 number for the defenders dice.

Now I find that we are actually taking a list of random numbers, and picking numbers out of there with a defined parameter? Is that still considered random? Why not pick a random start point in the list to start reading numbers sequentially? But is that random if you read them sequentially? Why not randomly pick spots from the list of random numbers to get a random number?

What is random?

Egh, if it saves money, just give me theoretically average dice and forget all the randomness.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby natty dread on Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:46 pm

bedub1 wrote:is that random if you read them sequentially?


You want them read freestyle? ;)

Nah, it's still random. The numbers are random no matter what order they are read in.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby sherkaner on Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:24 pm

lackattack wrote:Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!


Nice, this looks like a very good solution. And it should be easy to get 50k random dice throws from them, they offer it for free on their site :)
Ok, strictly speaking they're only offering 10k numbers, but by choosing 0 until 6^5 - 1 and using modulo and divide properly, you could make this into 50k 'intensity cubes' (max is 80k if you're pushing it):
http://www.random.org/integers/?num=100 ... ml&rnd=new
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby Ace Rimmer on Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:47 pm

bedub1 wrote:
lackattack wrote:Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!

I was under the impression the dice were "random". IE I want to attack, CC asked Random.org for 3 numbers for my attack dice. CC asked random.org for 2 number for the defenders dice.

Now I find that we are actually taking a list of random numbers, and picking numbers out of there with a defined parameter? Is that still considered random? Why not pick a random start point in the list to start reading numbers sequentially? But is that random if you read them sequentially? Why not randomly pick spots from the list of random numbers to get a random number?

What is random?

Egh, if it saves money, just give me theoretically average dice and forget all the randomness.


What we're doing now is getting a grouping of random numbers from random.org (easier than calling their website as needed) and using those numbers until they are used, then getting a new grouping of random numbers from them. Because they are random (and we're not reusing that grouping) there would be no need to start randomly in that list. Basically it's the same as asking for random numbers each attack, we just get a batch at a time instead of getting them as needed.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby Ace Rimmer on Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:51 pm

lackattack wrote:Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!


Please remember to update FAQ 19 :)
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby beersurfer on Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:43 pm

Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby lackattack on Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:53 am
Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!


its about time someone has up and made a change ... the sour dice file was only corrupt in the fact that the numbers were truncated from each roll ... only allowing the exact same sequences to be repeated ... the sequential file now being used allows for much more randomness because the numbers will most likely never cycle the same reading, if it is replaced as often as you suggest...

however true randomness will never be gotten on any computer or software program ... the design of a random generator has a human programming it to become random (its one of the first things you learn when you take a beginner's programming course)... which, as hard as they may try, it is still only a falsified rendition of true-randomness. the functionality of a computer only allows for people to manipulate the 0's and 1's ---- with enough manipulation it can be reasoned that a program generates "random" numbers ... but to be truly random you couldn't use a computer at all ...

so now we will begin to see all the high ranks that stole the old file and used it to win games--- begin to fall in the ranks with all the other players who never thought to copy it and search for streaks and use them to their advantage

it's a little tooooo late for me though ... im done with this site ... the last 2 months of average rolls being 4 to 10 ratio (me winning 4 to every 10 i lose) has pushed me beyond the reasoning that this site will ever be fairly random ... even with this update (which is way long overdue)

maybe if lackattack tried to incorporate a pointer system to randomly select places in the file to start from instead of sequentially pulling streaks for attacks then we wouldnt have to worry about whether we are in a bad streak of the file or not ... we would pull from a different location of the file each attack ensuring us from avoiding any streaks bad or good ... and if there truly are 1,000,000 attacks per day ... then this file will cycle 20 times a day ... so depending on when you play your turns ... you could easily hit the same streaks 7 to 8 times per day (for the avid player)

i just hope the "QUOTA" is more than once every four years ... even better more than once every four days ;)

GL to all you future conquerors

i'd rather play RISK ONLINE !!!!! The real game :-({|=
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last 25 battles:
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Assault ....-26% ..... 2.86 ............+48% .....4.70

really???????????
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby bedub1 on Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:21 pm

jakewilliams wrote:
bedub1 wrote:
lackattack wrote:Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!

I was under the impression the dice were "random". IE I want to attack, CC asked Random.org for 3 numbers for my attack dice. CC asked random.org for 2 number for the defenders dice.

Now I find that we are actually taking a list of random numbers, and picking numbers out of there with a defined parameter? Is that still considered random? Why not pick a random start point in the list to start reading numbers sequentially? But is that random if you read them sequentially? Why not randomly pick spots from the list of random numbers to get a random number?

What is random?

Egh, if it saves money, just give me theoretically average dice and forget all the randomness.


What we're doing now is getting a grouping of random numbers from random.org (easier than calling their website as needed) and using those numbers until they are used, then getting a new grouping of random numbers from them. Because they are random (and we're not reusing that grouping) there would be no need to start randomly in that list. Basically it's the same as asking for random numbers each attack, we just get a batch at a time instead of getting them as needed.

I understand. I guess what I was getting at is that I believe I have the ability to influence the outcome of the dice as I watch them roll in front of me using my mind. I believed I had the same ability to affect the dice on CC. But now you tell me the numbers I will receive are pre-determined. Or can I still influence the numbers/dice that I obtain by the timing that I hit the "attack" button? Did I click it now...or was it now...or maybe now? How many people rolled dice in that time frame and changed the numbers I will receive? Is manual attack better than auto attack since you wont read an entire series of numbers at once...but instead individual groupings? Or is it better with auto-attack since you get a sequential string that could arguably be more random than a random choosing from a static list of random numbers?

Why does my head hurt?
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby Dako on Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:47 am

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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby lackattack on Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:53 am
Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!


its about time someone has up and made a change ... the sour dice file was only corrupt in the fact that the numbers were truncated from each roll ... only allowing the exact same sequences to be repeated ... the sequential file now being used allows for much more randomness because the numbers will most likely never cycle the same reading, if it is replaced as often as you suggest...

however true randomness will never be gotten on any computer or software program ... the design of a random generator has a human programming it to become random (its one of the first things you learn when you take a beginner's programming course)... which, as hard as they may try, it is still only a falsified rendition of true-randomness. the functionality of a computer only allows for people to manipulate the 0's and 1's ---- with enough manipulation it can be reasoned that a program generates "random" numbers ... but to be truly random you couldn't use a computer at all ...

so now we will begin to see all the high ranks that stole the old file and used it to win games--- begin to fall in the ranks with all the other players who never thought to copy it and search for streaks and use them to their advantage

it's a little tooooo late for me though ... im done with this site ... the last 2 months of average rolls being 4 to 10 ratio (me winning 4 to every 10 i lose) has pushed me beyond the reasoning that this site will ever be fairly random ... even with this update (which is way long overdue)

maybe if lackattack tried to incorporate a pointer system to randomly select places in the file to start from instead of sequentially pulling streaks for attacks then we wouldnt have to worry about whether we are in a bad streak of the file or not ... we would pull from a different location of the file each attack ensuring us from avoiding any streaks bad or good ... and if there truly are 1,000,000 attacks per day ... then this file will cycle 20 times a day ... so depending on when you play your turns ... you could easily hit the same streaks 7 to 8 times per day (for the avid player)

i just hope the "QUOTA" is more than once every four years ... even better more than once every four days ;)

GL to all you future conquerors

i'd rather play RISK ONLINE !!!!! The real game :-({|=

Stole old file? Don't be ridiculous. And about bad rolls - it was your bad luck to roll them at that particular moment. It is pointless to complain because everyone on this site is in the same equal position.

bedub1 wrote:
jakewilliams wrote:
bedub1 wrote:
lackattack wrote:Very interesting comments (except for people who blame this for their recent bad luck lol). I am hesitant to use a pseudo-random number generator because the numbers we use from random.org are truly random and that seems like a step backwards.

To close the door on any attempts at "dice predicting" I will replace our series of 50k random numbers with new numbers from random.org as often as their quota allows!

I was under the impression the dice were "random". IE I want to attack, CC asked Random.org for 3 numbers for my attack dice. CC asked random.org for 2 number for the defenders dice.

Now I find that we are actually taking a list of random numbers, and picking numbers out of there with a defined parameter? Is that still considered random? Why not pick a random start point in the list to start reading numbers sequentially? But is that random if you read them sequentially? Why not randomly pick spots from the list of random numbers to get a random number?

What is random?

Egh, if it saves money, just give me theoretically average dice and forget all the randomness.


What we're doing now is getting a grouping of random numbers from random.org (easier than calling their website as needed) and using those numbers until they are used, then getting a new grouping of random numbers from them. Because they are random (and we're not reusing that grouping) there would be no need to start randomly in that list. Basically it's the same as asking for random numbers each attack, we just get a batch at a time instead of getting them as needed.

I understand. I guess what I was getting at is that I believe I have the ability to influence the outcome of the dice as I watch them roll in front of me using my mind. I believed I had the same ability to affect the dice on CC. But now you tell me the numbers I will receive are pre-determined. Or can I still influence the numbers/dice that I obtain by the timing that I hit the "attack" button? Did I click it now...or was it now...or maybe now? How many people rolled dice in that time frame and changed the numbers I will receive? Is manual attack better than auto attack since you wont read an entire series of numbers at once...but instead individual groupings? Or is it better with auto-attack since you get a sequential string that could arguably be more random than a random choosing from a static list of random numbers?

Why does my head hurt?

You never know, because you don't know the numbers :-).
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby natty dread on Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:15 am

however true randomness will never be gotten on any computer or software program ... the design of a random generator has a human programming it to become random (its one of the first things you learn when you take a beginner's programming course)... which, as hard as they may try, it is still only a falsified rendition of true-randomness. the functionality of a computer only allows for people to manipulate the 0's and 1's ---- with enough manipulation it can be reasoned that a program generates "random" numbers ... but to be truly random you couldn't use a computer at all ...


Again... random.org numbers are NOT computer generated - they are picked up from atmospheric noise. How hard is it to understand?
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby jammyjames on Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:16 am

natty_dread wrote:
however true randomness will never be gotten on any computer or software program ... the design of a random generator has a human programming it to become random (its one of the first things you learn when you take a beginner's programming course)... which, as hard as they may try, it is still only a falsified rendition of true-randomness. the functionality of a computer only allows for people to manipulate the 0's and 1's ---- with enough manipulation it can be reasoned that a program generates "random" numbers ... but to be truly random you couldn't use a computer at all ...


Again... random.org numbers are NOT computer generated - they are picked up from atmospheric noise. How hard is it to understand?


All i think of is some out of space thing calling out "3, 4, 1, 2" :lol:
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby bigpash on Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:11 am

Having read that has come before this, I can conclude that I am way out of my depth with what was said.

So in simple terms, before an attack do your troops still get intensity setting ie, a bunch of wimps or hard as nails?

If this is still true, it does not really matter how random the dice are.

If the intensity levels are removed, then the randomness of the dice is more important. This is why I think you get people bitching about the dice because they do not understand or forget that the armies receive intensity ratings before battle starts.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby natty dread on Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:20 am

bigpash wrote:Having read that has come before this, I can conclude that I am way out of my depth with what was said.

So in simple terms, before an attack do your troops still get intensity setting ie, a bunch of wimps or hard as nails?

If this is still true, it does not really matter how random the dice are.


#-o
This has never been true. There is no extra values assigned on troops beside the dice rolls. The "intensity levels" simply refer to the numbers on the "intensity cubes".
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby bigpash on Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:34 am

II. Assaulting Your Enemies

You may now assault any opponent's region from one of yours, as long as both regions are adjacent and your assaulting region has a minimum of two troops. This part is optional in that you may choose not to assault anyone.

Each time combat is initiated, the game engine will generate a random intensity cube for each troop involved. The outcome is determined by the intensity of the assaulting troops versus the intensity of the repelling troops. There are 6 possible intensity cubes that may be assigned, listed here from weakest to strongest:

1. Pathetic
2. Sad
3. Decent
4. Strong
5. Awesome
6. Heroic

The more troops involved on either side, the better the chances that side has of winning. But not all troops in the regions are necessarily involved. To be more specific, the game engine will assigned a random intensity cube for each assaulting troop, less 1 troop that stays behind, up to a maximum of 3 troops. Likewise, the game engine will assign a random intensity cube for each repelling troop, up to a maximum of 2 troops.

The outcome of combat is determined by comparing the strongest intensity cubes of either side. If the assault was stronger, then the repelling region loses a troop. If the repel was stronger or equal, than the assaulting region loses a troop. This process is repeated once more if other troops remain involved on both sides.

If you destroy all of the troops in your opponent's region, you will then have to occupy it right away by advancing some of your troops (but not all and at least 1) from your assaulting region to the conquered region. If you conquer a player's last region, (thus eliminating him/her from the game) the former opponent's spoils become yours!

During this part of your turn, you may assault any adjacent regions, as many times as possible, until you decide to stop. For example, you may assault one or more times from one region, switch to another region and then back to the original.

When reading this from the notes page, it implies that the attacker/defender are given an intensity level.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby natty dread on Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:50 am

When reading this from the notes page, it implies that the attacker/defender are given an intensity level.


Yes, that happens when you roll the dice intensity cubes. The intensity cubes are rolled, and they produce dice rolls intensity levels from 1 to 6.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby lackattack on Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:43 am

beersurfer wrote:however true randomness will never be gotten on any computer or software program ... the design of a random generator has a human programming it to become random (its one of the first things you learn when you take a beginner's programming course)... which, as hard as they may try, it is still only a falsified rendition of true-randomness. the functionality of a computer only allows for people to manipulate the 0's and 1's ---- with enough manipulation it can be reasoned that a program generates "random" numbers ... but to be truly random you couldn't use a computer at all ...

so now we will begin to see all the high ranks that stole the old file and used it to win games--- begin to fall in the ranks with all the other players who never thought to copy it and search for streaks and use them to their advantage

it's a little tooooo late for me though ... im done with this site ... the last 2 months of average rolls being 4 to 10 ratio (me winning 4 to every 10 i lose) has pushed me beyond the reasoning that this site will ever be fairly random ... even with this update (which is way long overdue)

maybe if lackattack tried to incorporate a pointer system to randomly select places in the file to start from instead of sequentially pulling streaks for attacks then we wouldnt have to worry about whether we are in a bad streak of the file or not ... we would pull from a different location of the file each attack ensuring us from avoiding any streaks bad or good ... and if there truly are 1,000,000 attacks per day ... then this file will cycle 20 times a day ... so depending on when you play your turns ... you could easily hit the same streaks 7 to 8 times per day (for the avid player)


A few things I must say regarding your post...

1. As natty_dread said the numbers from random.org are true random and not computer generated.

2. Even if you had a copy of the old file (which was never leaked out) it would be virtually impossible to cheat. The dice file was so large each 3v2 dice roll was repeated many times so it would be hard to locate where in the file the website was reading from. Even if you knew where in the file the website was reading from you would have to be lucky enough to find an approaching streak to take advantage of. Even if you identified an approaching streak it would still be impossible to predict the velocity of dice rolls across the entire website so you wouldn't be able to control the timing of your attacks.

3. Please don't blame the website for your bad luck :-)

4. There is a natural level of streakiness to be expected from random numbers. No matter where or how you pull from the stream of random numbers, you will still face the same probability of hitting a streak.
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby beersurfer on Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:27 pm

lackattack wrote:
beersurfer wrote:however true randomness will never be gotten on any computer or software program ... the design of a random generator has a human programming it to become random (its one of the first things you learn when you take a beginner's programming course)... which, as hard as they may try, it is still only a falsified rendition of true-randomness. the functionality of a computer only allows for people to manipulate the 0's and 1's ---- with enough manipulation it can be reasoned that a program generates "random" numbers ... but to be truly random you couldn't use a computer at all ...

so now we will begin to see all the high ranks that stole the old file and used it to win games--- begin to fall in the ranks with all the other players who never thought to copy it and search for streaks and use them to their advantage

it's a little tooooo late for me though ... im done with this site ... the last 2 months of average rolls being 4 to 10 ratio (me winning 4 to every 10 i lose) has pushed me beyond the reasoning that this site will ever be fairly random ... even with this update (which is way long overdue)

maybe if lackattack tried to incorporate a pointer system to randomly select places in the file to start from instead of sequentially pulling streaks for attacks then we wouldnt have to worry about whether we are in a bad streak of the file or not ... we would pull from a different location of the file each attack ensuring us from avoiding any streaks bad or good ... and if there truly are 1,000,000 attacks per day ... then this file will cycle 20 times a day ... so depending on when you play your turns ... you could easily hit the same streaks 7 to 8 times per day (for the avid player)


A few things I must say regarding your post...

1. As natty_dread said the numbers from random.org are true random and not computer generated.

2. Even if you had a copy of the old file (which was never leaked out) it would be virtually impossible to cheat. The dice file was so large each 3v2 dice roll was repeated many times so it would be hard to locate where in the file the website was reading from. Even if you knew where in the file the website was reading from you would have to be lucky enough to find an approaching streak to take advantage of. Even if you identified an approaching streak it would still be impossible to predict the velocity of dice rolls across the entire website so you wouldn't be able to control the timing of your attacks.

3. Please don't blame the website for your bad luck :-)

4. There is a natural level of streakiness to be expected from random numbers. No matter where or how you pull from the stream of random numbers, you will still face the same probability of hitting a streak.


well lackattack ... im shocked that you arent more aware of what players on your site have actually been up to ... its not about leaking (which isn't the real problem)... its about hacking

I know multiple people who actually have copies of your old dice file and have written programs to find the streaks and anticipate approximately when to hit the attack button and succeeded in 80% win rolls ... based on small windows of time that the streaks will most likely hit ... the programs they wrote actually tell you based off of only 3 (3v2) attacks .. [the file isn't repeated as often as you suggest]... and then the program will give an estimated time "... in 5-10 sec. attacks for 10-15 sec. should be successful" (of course the wording differs depending on which program you view) ... some of the streaks they located were actually up to 50 sec. (but mostly 5-10 sec. and several lasting up to 30 and 40 sec.) --- based on average number of attacks per day divided by seconds per day ... of course not all the rolls will be successful ... but 80% majority is pretty good ... i chose never to cheat when i played this game ... but the facts were too intriguing not to find out more

its really simple its about building troops up to tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) ... and simply auto-attacking, copy and paste the large strings into another file ...
once they had almost a million rolls then it was easy for a program to find the overlapping sections of the partial files and put the whole file together ... then with another program input a couple of real time rolls and then the program finds your place in the file based off of the RT rolls inputed and the streaks have been pre-recorded ... so the program acts in less than 3 sec. completely giving you the next time for a streak ... and if there are more rolls going than estimated the program self adapts to readjust time increments based off of the difference of your new input from the time of your old input ... we are talking seconds here within minutes

and i was absolutely shocked at the accuracy of the program as i watched one particular person .. conquer an 8 man standard game with less than 1/3 the troops of the opponent he was targeting ... simply amazing ... so i know first hand that it has been copied by multiple people and has been cracked in more than just one form .... ... you really should listen to your customers more often ... all of this went down 2 years ago ... just shortly after i started playing ...

so to say that your file hasnt been leaked is probably true ... but to be so arrogant as to think that others aren't smart enough to crack your system... well ... hopefully you can learn from your past mistakes that apparently you were not even aware of.

and my experience here is beyond just bad luck ... this site is horrible when it comes to the dice when on average i get winning attacks less than 1/7th of the time (the only reason i got to brig is because i learned that if i play quads and dont have to attack we have a better chance of winning ... so i direct traffic ... and have a couple freestylers on my team to be used as attackers) .. because good freestylers dont get consistently bad dice ... its beyond luck ... there are too many games that are lop-sided .. one team gets all the dice and the other team just gets none ... there's no strategy ... its just stupid dumb luck ... and you should find a way to somewhat balance this out ... like using pointers when turns are begun to select a random location of the dice file and then read off the string ... end turn start next turn and it randomly jumps to another part of the file to read from ... its simple and wont take as much usage on your servers as trying to draw random numbers for each roll attacked daily... i noticed you didn't care to offer an explanation on this suggestion
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last 25 battles:
beersurfer luck Avg roll -- opponents luck Avg roll
Assault ....-26% ..... 2.86 ............+48% .....4.70

really???????????
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby Night Strike on Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:11 pm

Then why aren't you Conquerer if your glorious tale is actually true?
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby merch313 on Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:43 pm

Night Strike wrote:Then why aren't you Conquerer if your glorious tale is actually true?


He did state he doest cheat :?
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Re: New "Intensity Cubes"

Postby sherkaner on Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:14 am

beersurfer wrote:well lackattack ... im shocked that you arent more aware of what players on your site have actually been up to ... its not about leaking (which isn't the real problem)... its about hacking

I know multiple people who actually have copies of your old dice file and have written programs to find the streaks and anticipate approximately when to hit the attack button and succeeded in 80% win rolls ... based on small windows of time that the streaks will most likely hit ... the programs they wrote actually tell you based off of only 3 (3v2) attacks .. [the file isn't repeated as often as you suggest]... and then the program will give an estimated time "... in 5-10 sec. attacks for 10-15 sec. should be successful" (of course the wording differs depending on which program you view) ... some of the streaks they located were actually up to 50 sec. (but mostly 5-10 sec. and several lasting up to 30 and 40 sec.) --- based on average number of attacks per day divided by seconds per day ... of course not all the rolls will be successful ... but 80% majority is pretty good ... i chose never to cheat when i played this game ... but the facts were too intriguing not to find out more

its really simple its about building troops up to tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) ... and simply auto-attacking, copy and paste the large strings into another file ...
once they had almost a million rolls then it was easy for a program to find the overlapping sections of the partial files and put the whole file together ... then with another program input a couple of real time rolls and then the program finds your place in the file based off of the RT rolls inputed and the streaks have been pre-recorded ... so the program acts in less than 3 sec. completely giving you the next time for a streak ... and if there are more rolls going than estimated the program self adapts to readjust time increments based off of the difference of your new input from the time of your old input ... we are talking seconds here within minutes

and i was absolutely shocked at the accuracy of the program as i watched one particular person .. conquer an 8 man standard game with less than 1/3 the troops of the opponent he was targeting ... simply amazing ... so i know first hand that it has been copied by multiple people and has been cracked in more than just one form .... ... you really should listen to your customers more often ... all of this went down 2 years ago ... just shortly after i started playing ...

so to say that your file hasnt been leaked is probably true ... but to be so arrogant as to think that others aren't smart enough to crack your system... well ... hopefully you can learn from your past mistakes that apparently you were not even aware of.

and my experience here is beyond just bad luck ... this site is horrible when it comes to the dice when on average i get winning attacks less than 1/7th of the time (the only reason i got to brig is because i learned that if i play quads and dont have to attack we have a better chance of winning ... so i direct traffic ... and have a couple freestylers on my team to be used as attackers) .. because good freestylers dont get consistently bad dice ... its beyond luck ... there are too many games that are lop-sided .. one team gets all the dice and the other team just gets none ... there's no strategy ... its just stupid dumb luck ... and you should find a way to somewhat balance this out ... like using pointers when turns are begun to select a random location of the dice file and then read off the string ... end turn start next turn and it randomly jumps to another part of the file to read from ... its simple and wont take as much usage on your servers as trying to draw random numbers for each roll attacked daily... i noticed you didn't care to offer an explanation on this suggestion


Fascinating if it's true. I know it's possible, but I wouldn't have guessed someone would have taken the time (throwing and remembering 700k+ dice I guess) to get things working. Luckily the amount of throws has increased over the years, which means the method will probably be more likely to fail now (or at least have a smaller time window, but I guess it should lower the probability too).

One question though, if a few people were/are still abusing this, why is it that most winning percentages are still in line with what I'd expect? And why hasn't anyone posted something like this before? That kinda points to either this being a made-up story or the group of players using this being very small (though naturally they would be in the first page of the scoreboard).

(Btw, with over 1m throws per day, the current rate would be about 12 throws (of 5 dice, old format) per second..)
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