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Re: Round Limits

Postby Chariot of Fire on Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:34 pm

Just playing Devil's Advocate here ender, but if the new sitting feature doesn't allow access to the Inbox (which I actually believe is a good thing - I hate having my mail read) it could result in that player being kicked out of tourney games if the invite has gone via PM. I think we've all been in the scenario whereby an absent player has asked for PMs to be checked and tourney games to be joined.

Is it possible therefore to change the structure of the mail system, whereby new PMs arrive in an Inbox and any read messages (i.e. the old ones that the user wishes to keep) get moved to a 'Read Items' folder? A sitter would only have access to the Inbox, thus ensuring confidentiality of saved messages whilst still allowing new PMs to be read and tourney games, if invited, joined.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby ender516 on Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:50 pm

I guess I have to be more careful about my pronouncements. I don't know for certain what the sitter feature would entail exactly, and I believe that there is a topic in the Suggestions forum to discuss it in detail. I was mostly trying to point out that the sitter feaure would not involve an AI taking your turns for you.

Anyway, when you create a game, can't you invite players and have that show up on their My Games page, without using a PM?
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Re: Round Limits

Postby swimmerdude99 on Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:10 pm

ender516 wrote:The sitting feature is intended to give better control of account sitting, where one player covers turns for another. Right now, this is done by giving away passwords, a risky business. The built-in feature would control the authorization by one player of another to take turns, without permitting access to profiles, inboxes, and so on.


Ohhhh. Cool, I'm sorry for my statement and being out of the loop on that one, I agree that would be nice. This would mean that it would automatically post who took the turn as well correct?
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Re: Round Limits

Postby denominator on Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:59 am

ender516 wrote:I guess I have to be more careful about my pronouncements. I don't know for certain what the sitter feature would entail exactly, and I believe that there is a topic in the Suggestions forum to discuss it in detail. I was mostly trying to point out that the sitter feaure would not involve an AI taking your turns for you.

Anyway, when you create a game, can't you invite players and have that show up on their My Games page, without using a PM?


Very true. Although from what some tournament organizers have told me, it is sometimes simpler to send out a PM with a bunch of game links for players to join than inviting each individual player to each game. Think Map Blaster - where each player plays over 170 games, that would require over 1000 invites for one group alone. Or HA's 200th tourney - where players are PMed instructions on how to join the next round, but no invites could be sent.

Perhaps something else in the coding that the PM sender can tick off for "sitter can read".
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Re: Round Limits

Postby ender516 on Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:39 pm

Coordinating the PMs (part of the forum database) with the sitter feature (part of the game database) strikes me as tricky, but I don't honestly know. It might be better to have the sitter PM the TO for special dispensation in these cases. I would hope that the absent player would let a sitter know that there was a tournament with games that the sitter would need to join.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby eddie2 on Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:32 am

why are we talking about pms for tourneys. if someone is being sat for they are meant to tell the organiser anyway.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby firstholliday on Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:27 am

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Re: Round Limits

Postby QoH on Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:10 pm

eddie2 wrote:why are we talking about pms for tourneys. if someone is being sat for they are meant to tell the organiser anyway.

Do you EVER read the thread?
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Re: Round Limits

Postby ender516 on Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:21 pm

We do seem to have drifted away from the discussion of Round Limits.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby Teflon Kris on Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:31 pm

Round Limits

Great idea - professionally introduced.

Hats off to the Great Turtle and our Ancient Ancestor for getting feedback quickly from several places.

Nice job CC!

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(P.S. 1'd still love a 15 round option for speed ;) )
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Re: Round Limits

Postby shijinn on Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:20 pm

nvrijn wrote: ...

But if the primary factor was territories or bonuses, it's different (and I think better). The player who is strategic enough to barricade themselves off from multiple attackers, while racing around and ensuring no one else has a higher territory count, or bonus count, probably deserves to win. The downside is that it offers a real disadvantage to the guy that goes first.

I suspect the optimum way would be to choose the winner based upon several factors.

Total number of bonuses
Total number of territories (factors different if different number of territories in the variant)
The remaining number of men


It might be more complex to figure out, but that is GOOD because it gives a player several ways to win, the point weighing reflects the actual strategy considerations, the special suicide end game strategy is minimized, and it would provide several strategies for winning as the turn clock ticked down, instead of only one.

Is the current "end value" computation of this new variant written in stone?

Regards,

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this. control over the map should be given a heavier weightage than simply having more men from turtling.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby qwertylpc on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:39 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:Would have liked the option for a game to be a 'Draw' when the limit is reached (i.e. no winner - no points)


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Re: Round Limits

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:12 am

qwertylpc wrote:
DJ Teflon wrote:Would have liked the option for a game to be a 'Draw' when the limit is reached (i.e. no winner - no points)


i agree



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Re: Round Limits

Postby demonfork on Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:05 am

5000 or so games with round limits have ended so far. Less than 100 of them reached their limits.

An update was done for something that happens 2% of the time, what a waste.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby denominator on Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:29 am

demonfork wrote:5000 or so games with round limits have ended so far. Less than 100 of them reached their limits.

An update was done for something that happens 2% of the time, what a waste.


While I agree with that stat, most of the games that would have reached their limits would have been the 20-rounders. I believe, in a month or so, the 100 rounders will start coming into effect and the percentage will bump a bit (probably to 5%).

Furthermore, that's only the games that have round limits turned on - I can only assume an even greater number of games have ended with round limits turned off. So it's actually far less than 2% of the time that round limits determine the game.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby shijinn on Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:51 pm

i think it's a bit misleading to compare 8 player slow cook games to the horde of 1v1 farming games. who genuinely prefers playing Risk with only 2 players if not for points?
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Re: Round Limits

Postby ender516 on Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:19 am

I prefer 2- or 3-player games because I don't have to wait up to a week for a turn like I might in one of those 8-player monsters. Also, don't I stand to win more points from seven opponents than I do from one or two, presuming I prevail?
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Re: Round Limits

Postby sannemanrobinson on Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:34 pm

You do get more points is you prevail in a 8-player monster.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby shijinn on Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:55 am

there must be a reason why the top players play so many 1v1 or team games (which are essentially 1v1 too) while those with less to lose play games with a greater variety of settings..
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Re: Round Limits

Postby denominator on Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:44 am

shijinn wrote:there must be a reason why the top players play so many 1v1 or team games (which are essentially 1v1 too) while those with less to lose play games with a greater variety of settings..


There is less left to chance. 1v1 and team games are far easier to specialize in - you can script a number of plays from start to finish and do the same thing every time. In single player games, with 3 or more players, there comes a random factor of one of the players who is not you screwing up and handing the game to someone else who is not you. So while you may not win as many points in a 1v1 game, you tend to win more frequently and have a higher net gain than in other gametypes.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby codierose on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:20 pm

prob already covered but what happens when the sitter sits and builds sit and builds etc etc etc for say 20 rounds the rest work hard to try and win then its 20 round time and the sitter win for doing nothing,zip, f all theres a few maps that are perfect for that
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Re: Round Limits

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:06 am

codierose wrote:prob already covered but what happens when the sitter sits and builds sit and builds etc etc etc for say 20 rounds the rest work hard to try and win then its 20 round time and the sitter win for doing nothing,zip, f all theres a few maps that are perfect for that

I guess the only solution to that problem is to refuse to join no-cards games on those maps.
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Re: Round Limits

Postby lackattack on Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:48 pm

UDPATE

I added 30 rounds to the existings options, based on public feedback
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Re: Round Limits

Postby drake_259 on Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:44 am

wouldn't have adding most spoils before going to who joint first been better. although unlikely to get there, if someone has more spoils, their in the better position.
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