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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby betiko on Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:59 pm

there is an algorythm to display the most profitable ads for google anyway. I don't know on which model CC will be retributed though, CPM, CPC, CPA, postview...
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby spiesr on Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:06 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:Business is business, and part of business for CC now is to add small Text Ads (NO graphic or flash) to Game Pages of Free Members only. They're not too outlandish (I promise!) and will help things to come. Now that the bad news is out of the way, let's get to something good:
rdsrds, could you please state your definition of what constitutes a text ad vs a graphic ad?

Also, what are the chances that the ads could be moved from their current location (where they eat up a little bit of valuable game screen space) up into the empty space on the right side of the header? They look like they should fit vertically. (The Home, Instructions ect buttons will have to slide over to the left.)
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby ender516 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:11 pm

It looks like the Medal Stats page will need an update to indicate that the next achievement after "Gold Achieved". Also the Medals page in the forum might need a tweak as well.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Robespierre__ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:30 pm

I'm sorry ... am I reading Freemium players voicing an opinion on how this site should be run? Players who are not even willing to support the site with what is an insanely small amount of money for anyone not living in poverty?

Enjoy snacking off of what others are paying for and for the most part, keep your opinion to yourself.

As always, thank you so very much to all the programmers and volunteers who make this site what it is.

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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby rishaed on Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:07 pm

Robespierre__ wrote:I'm sorry ... am I reading Freemium players voicing an opinion on how this site should be run? Players who are not even willing to support the site with what is an insanely small amount of money for anyone not living in poverty?

Enjoy snacking off of what others are paying for and for the most part, keep your opinion to yourself.

As always, thank you so very much to all the programmers and volunteers who make this site what it is.

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Don't be hatin' just b/c we're freemium. I would say that alot of Suggestions for great implementations are supported/furthered by freemiums in part. If every freemium would take your advice you wouldn't have alot of the great game features that you have currently. And not all of us put our priorities on CC, some of us actually have RL stuff to pay for/ save up for where every penny counts. Even though you are "paying" so that I can play I can "pay" by putting my time and suggestions into the site to seek to improve its performance. Just because your paying money doesn't mean that you are more important to the site than others. I will say that I know a lot of premium members, and am more than happy that they have premium, but you guys already get perks over freemiums, so its pick and choose here. Its not all money man. :roll:
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby rishaed on Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:10 pm

sry for the double post, but I didn't even notice we had ads until i read this thread :oops:. IMO it doesn't interfere with gameplay/quality of the site atm, so I'll give it a current stamp, of between "I can live with it" and "Go ahead, get money for things I don't notice".
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby hulmey on Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:55 pm

Thank God I have google AD block ;)
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Gilligan on Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:03 pm

hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


aka, premium membership. ;)
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Vlasov on Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:22 pm

Why should Platinum be the highest, rarest metal -- beyond gold?
The choices for color of the metal/medal are limited, but why not Uranium? It is certainly connected with warfare in the 20th-21st century.
Make it purple or deep blue -- a la Cerenkov radiation.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Swifte on Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:22 pm

Vlasov wrote:Why should Platinum be the highest, rarest metal -- beyond gold?
The choices for color of the metal/medal are limited, but why not Uranium? It is certainly connected with warfare in the 20th-21st century.
Make it purple or deep blue -- a la Cerenkov radiation.


The new medals aren't called platinum. they're Diamond.

rdsrds2120 wrote:Also, why is everyone calling it platinum? ;)



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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Vlasov on Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:48 pm

Okay,well, some people said Platinum. After viewing that video, I am convinced that it is ****Diamond**** compressed from elemental carbon by extreme pressure in the interior of planets, and/or generated inside collapsing first-generation novas, like all the other higher nucleonic elements we see today. Rihanna rocks, BTW.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby b00060 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:08 pm

1000 Seems more realistic since it requires unique defeats.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby lostatlimbo on Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:25 pm

Gilligan wrote:
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MegaProphet wrote:Screen shot of ad
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Is that just an example ad or a real ad? If it's a real ad, it's not very well executed. You can't even tell what it's advertising.


Not CC's problem.

CC is advertising exactly what the advertiser is giving them, I would assume.


Actually, it is CC's problem. From a user standpoint, its a bad experience. Consider that many freemiums are brand-new to the site and are checking things out before deciding to pay premium. Not only do the ads give a poor first impression, but there is nothing indicating that a premium account would eliminate the advertisements.

Furthermore, because these ads are purposely created to cause confusion, it appears to new gamers as if the ads are referring to Conquer Club itself. CC is setting themselves up to lose customers who click on these ads and end up joining a completely different game site.

Imagine how this would appear to a new player to the site, sitting just above your game:
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Its confusing and misguided and I guarantee its going to bite CC in the ass in the long run.

And as others have noted, re: "slippery slope" - its only a matter of time before the forums are littered with ads as well.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby lostatlimbo on Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:36 pm

Robespierre__ wrote:I'm sorry ... am I reading Freemium players voicing an opinion on how this site should be run? Players who are not even willing to support the site with what is an insanely small amount of money for anyone not living in poverty?

Enjoy snacking off of what others are paying for and for the most part, keep your opinion to yourself.

As always, thank you so very much to all the programmers and volunteers who make this site what it is.

Robes


All Freemiums are not created equal. I've been a paying member of this site for over 5 years. Only recently did my premium expire and as I am extremely busy with work lately and unable to take more than a few turns right now, I have little incentive to re-up at the moment.

Does that mean my opinion is invalid? No matter that I've contributed a map and several tournaments to this site? I only get to share my thoughts with money?

Its extremely shortsighted to dismiss the opinions of freemiums regardless of their reasons. Many of these people could be providing important feedback to the site as to a) why they don't pay and b) what would encourage them to do so. Understanding your audience and what they want is Business 101.

But instead of doing that and trying to improve, CC just slaps some poorly thought-out ads on the game - which makes the site look even cheaper and out of touch than it already does (seriously - will this site ever get a decent makeover? It has looked out-dated for a long time).

As someone who works in search & display marketing, there is a right way and a wrong way. This falls squarely on the latter. Just another in a series of bad decisions in what is a tragically mis-managed business.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Vlasov on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:16 pm

All players are created equal. You pay, or you don't pay. If you want to play more games, you pay for it. It's simple. I don't see why occasional pop-op ads should be a problem, as long as they don't pop up every turn. I DO see a problem if advertisements are slapped on poorly, as Lostatlimbo said.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby chapcrap on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:49 pm

Gillipig wrote:
QuikSilver wrote:
betiko wrote:1500?? why set it at an almost impossible mark.. so 20-100-400-1500... I thought that more logically it would be 1000 or 1200.. and is it 200 for crossmap?


Lol i'm already at 2300...

It's not almost impossible, and it's platinum for a reason!

Actually, for some reason they've decided to call it "Diamond". It sure looks more like a medal for platinum.

It's because platinum looked too close to silver.

b00060 wrote:1000 Seems more realistic since it requires unique defeats.

1500 was only for ratings.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:41 pm

hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby EBConquer on Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:02 am

Thank you guys for the updates! Diamond or Platinum... i don't really care. just glad to see progress. =D>
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby greenoaks on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:48 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

any freemium with adblock on should be CC blocked.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Gillipig on Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:40 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


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The ad is probably made to look confusing, so that players won't know if it's an ad or part of a site function.
I don't think you'll see many experienced freemiums care about this ad, they know it's an ad and won't click it, if they're annoyed by it they get adblock. New players probably will click it however, and there's a big chance they'll dismiss the site as a cheap and dangerous. Like somebody pointed out, they don't necessarily know this goes away if they buy premium. And if they're just trying the site out, a thing like that might turn them away from visiting again.


rdsrds2120 wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
MegaProphet wrote:Screen shot of ad
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Is that just an example ad or a real ad? If it's a real ad, it's not very well executed. You can't even tell what it's advertising.


Not CC's problem.

CC is advertising exactly what the advertiser is giving them, I would assume.


+1

BMO

That is ridiculous!! Very short sighted and narrow minded to think that the ads a site puts up won't affect the site. Obviously it's in the site's best interest not to have confusing ads that players click on without even knowing it's an ad.

*Sigh*, the things you have to tell some people.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby hulmey on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:23 am

lostatlimbo wrote:
Robespierre__ wrote:I'm sorry ... am I reading Freemium players voicing an opinion on how this site should be run? Players who are not even willing to support the site with what is an insanely small amount of money for anyone not living in poverty?

Enjoy snacking off of what others are paying for and for the most part, keep your opinion to yourself.

As always, thank you so very much to all the programmers and volunteers who make this site what it is.

Robes


All Freemiums are not created equal. I've been a paying member of this site for over 5 years. Only recently did my premium expire and as I am extremely busy with work lately and unable to take more than a few turns right now, I have little incentive to re-up at the moment.

Does that mean my opinion is invalid? No matter that I've contributed a map and several tournaments to this site? I only get to share my thoughts with money?

Its extremely shortsighted to dismiss the opinions of freemiums regardless of their reasons. Many of these people could be providing important feedback to the site as to a) why they don't pay and b) what would encourage them to do so. Understanding your audience and what they want is Business 101.

But instead of doing that and trying to improve, CC just slaps some poorly thought-out ads on the game - which makes the site look even cheaper and out of touch than it already does (seriously - will this site ever get a decent makeover? It has looked out-dated for a long time).

As someone who works in search & display marketing, there is a right way and a wrong way. This falls squarely on the latter. Just another in a series of bad decisions in what is a tragically mis-managed business.


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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby hulmey on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:27 am

Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


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The ad is probably made to look confusing, so that players won't know if it's an ad or part of a site function.
I don't think you'll see many experienced freemiums care about this ad, they know it's an ad and won't click it, if they're annoyed by it they get adblock. New players probably will click it however, and there's a big chance they'll dismiss the site as a cheap and dangerous. Like somebody pointed out, they don't necessarily know this goes away if they buy premium. And if they're just trying the site out, a thing like that might turn them away from visiting again.


rdsrds2120 wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
MegaProphet wrote:Screen shot of ad
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Is that just an example ad or a real ad? If it's a real ad, it's not very well executed. You can't even tell what it's advertising.


Not CC's problem.

CC is advertising exactly what the advertiser is giving them, I would assume.


+1

BMO

That is ridiculous!! Very short sighted and narrow minded to think that the ads a site puts up won't affect the site. Obviously it's in the site's best interest not to have confusing ads that players click on without even knowing it's an ad.

*Sigh*, the things you have to tell some people.

Maybe they could only place ads for players that are no longer new or at the very least not place confusing ads that try and trick you into clicking play.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

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what about battle royal winner's medal?
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:10 am

Gillipig wrote:
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hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


There is zero risk of getting exposed to malware from text or static image ads. That might only happen if the ads were, say, loading some Javascript. That is not what is happening here.
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